matrix revolution

by **nublu01** on Thu Nov 06, 2003 2:59 am

at last... the movie is out. i'll be watching it tonight after work.

by **Filip** on Thu Nov 06, 2003 3:22 am

I'll see the new Matrix on friday with my friends or later with my bro, haven't decided yet. Anyway, I wonder if its any good, no chance it will be the first one (Best action scene I ever seen is when they are going to get Neo in the hallway with sticks) but I'll hope it beats Reloaded which only was okey. What has the movie critics says?

by **Tony** on Thu Nov 06, 2003 6:50 am

seen it. didn't expect that ending. character moments, good. action pieces, great. special effects, best i've ever seen in my life (beats reloaded by a mile, which looked pretty much like a cartoon compared to this). overall, kickass (Y)

great triology.

by **nublu01** on Thu Nov 06, 2003 7:00 am

i was wondering if any of you guys were gonna watch it on IMAX. matrix on IMAX is gonna be a whole another level of experience, but the nearest IMAX theater is 300 miles away.....

by **bishibashiboy** on Sat Nov 08, 2003 2:45 pm

Watched it today.
Not bad, but I still think the first Matrix was the best.
The ending was quite good though, and makes you think a bit.

by **Filip** on Sat Nov 08, 2003 8:17 pm

Saw it yesterday, and it was like I expected. Not good but still ok.

Tony wrote:special effects, best i've ever seen in my life (beats reloaded by a mile, which looked pretty much like a cartoon compared to this).

No way, that the special effect were better than Reloaded, I think the actions scenes in Reloaded were better, cooler, and more creative.

Matrix one is a real good movie, it's a revolution.

A question, as the humans and the machines gone in a truce, it's the matrix we see at the end, when the big sunlight comes. Does that mean that they never destroyed matrix, and free all people, that the people still lives in the Matrix?

by **Tony** on Sat Nov 08, 2003 11:46 pm

Slam Harder wrote:No way, that the special effect were better than Reloaded, I think the actions scenes in Reloaded were better, cooler, and more creative.

are you serious? did you even see the same film as i did? the zion invasion scene itself beats all the scenes that were in reloaded... hell, that sequence alone took more money to make than the entire first matrix... and the neo/smith final showdown in the rain beats the reloaded "burly brawl" by a ten fold... it's a no brainer... i'm not saying the Reloaded action scenes were bad (i love the chateau sword fight and the freeway chase), but revolutions scenes are grittier, nastier, and definately more realistic.

Slam Harder wrote:question, as the humans and the machines gone in a truce, it's the matrix we see at the end, when the big sunlight comes. Does that mean that they never destroyed matrix, and free all people, that the people still lives in the Matrix?

this is SPOILER TERRITORY here, so those who havent seen the film, should not read... but, from what i gathered, the architect told the oracle that all people will now be given a choice, they can freely leave the matrix if they want. the red/blue pill thing i guess. so, people now have freedom of choice (which they didn't before Keanu made the deal with the machine headchief), the entire point of the films, and the ground basis... is that one word - choice.

gonna see the film again today anyway, so it should be more clear.

by **BIG GREEN** on Sun Nov 09, 2003 8:04 am

lol @ Tony. You taking your time to psychoanalyze this garbage? This movie suffers from a rare something called too much plot. So much of it that it chokes it's self on it and comes off as pop culture BS. The sentimental scenes..mah..seen that mushy crap over and over...made me wanna throwup.

Only thing good about these movies imo is the fighting and special affects...which is more than enough reason for me to watch it.

by **Tony** on Sun Nov 09, 2003 8:26 am

as i already told you once over msn yohance... i'm into movies... why act surprised if i actually cared to think about what i saw, as if that's something uncomprehendable?

it is not "psychoanalyzing", the goal of this movie is to make you think, if you're too shallow for that, you probably don't get what point the filmmakers were trying to get across, and the reason you might even consider it "garbage". this is the first and biggest reason the opinions on the triology vary so much... on totally oposite poles... you either love it, or hate it. personally i could care less about the haters.

and i also do consider the plot rather simple, if you think about it ofcourse... not everything is layed out, and too obvious, that's not what the wachowskys are like. the one sentimental scene in the film did drag along a bit too much even to my own liking (i won't point to which one, if you've seen the film you probably know), but that's probably the only thing i disliked about this film.

seen it again this evening, i actually like it even more now, seeing the subtle stuff i missed on the first viewing. (Y)

by **bishibashiboy** on Sun Nov 09, 2003 8:42 am

I think overall the trilogy is very deep and has lots of hidden meanings (whether intentional or non-intentional). I think overall it's very good, and very unlike most movies nowadays where they spoon feed you all the info. A lot of things were left up to interpretation, and that's so much better than telling you flat out what happens, if you enjoy those kinda movies anyways.

Trinity scene was way too long..ugh..what a waste of film.

by **Tony** on Sun Nov 09, 2003 9:49 am

bishibashiboy wrote:Trinity scene was way too long..ugh..what a waste of film.

could not agree more (Y)

the films will probably be debated upon for years to come... think something in the lines of Blade Runner (which coincidentally, also had very divided opinions in it's day).

while browsing the net, i found a nice thread @matrixfans.net that should explain anything confusing in the films (although very comprehensive, some "explanations" in the initial post of that thread are just plain silly - others, namely a poster called "fisheye" provided a really nice insight).

so... if you're interested... knock yourself out.

by **BIG GREEN** on Sun Nov 09, 2003 1:46 pm

LITTLE SPOILERISH

Tony..if you like the movie and wanna think about it..all the more power to you. However, not everyone is gonna like this garbage..and thats what i think it is(the story). I've already stated my reasons for this...one DOES not have to be "shallow" to not appreaciate this over saturated plot. Its a movie series that prides it's self and is ostentacious about it's plot which involves omnious doom then develops into....nothing. Nothing but more loose ends. Its not as simple as you either "hate it or love it"; I personally dont hate nor love it. However, i freely point out it's short commings...and its positives..which is fighting and special effects...thats it.

by **nublu01** on Sun Nov 09, 2003 6:25 pm

omg.....

..... is it me or did anybody else found the scene "where camera zooms in to neo's fist as he swings it through the rain and leaving an imprint on smith's cheek" freaking amazing?

by **bishibashiboy** on Sun Nov 09, 2003 7:13 pm

I didn't really enjoy the last fight.
I thought flying thru the air fighting Dragonball Z style wasn't entertaining. The battle scenes within Zion were amazing though.

I also thought the way Neo beat Smith was pretty cool and original. I've heard different interpretations of what exactly happened.

by **Tony** on Sun Nov 09, 2003 11:05 pm

Yohance Bailey wrote:Tony..if you like the movie and wanna think about it..all the more power to you. However, not everyone is gonna like this garbage..and thats what i think it is(the story). I've already stated my reasons for this...one DOES not have to be "shallow" to not appreaciate this over saturated plot. Its a movie series that prides it's self and is ostentacious about it's plot which involves omnious doom then develops into....nothing. Nothing but more loose ends. Its not as simple as you either "hate it or love it"; I personally dont hate nor love it. However, i freely point out it's short commings...and its positives..which is fighting and special effects...thats it.

that's alright, you're entitled to your own opinion, call it garbage or whatever, even if it doesn't make sense (you say you don't hate it, yet you call it garbage? you like garbage?), anyhoo, i could care less... so no point in discussing it with you then. especially over a message board. also, i'm still stating the plot is not "over saturated" at all. just tell me what's so complicated about the whole full circle story (which the whole triology is).

bishibashiboy wrote:I also thought the way Neo beat Smith was pretty cool and original. I've heard different interpretations of what exactly happened.

SPOILERS

the initial thing i thought about was that when Neo realized the Oracle was talking through Smith... he gave in, and the positive and the negative, what Neo and Smith are, as Oracle said, canceled eachother out... -1 + 1 = 0
although... the big machine head could've also deleted Smith after he got his hands on the code through Neo... and the third popular theory... when Smith had no more purpose (which he keeps obsessing about) after Neo did what he did, he self-deleted...

this is what i like most about this film... the speculations, various interpretations... although that obviously may be too much for a general audience.

by **BIG GREEN** on Mon Nov 10, 2003 4:14 am

I said the story was garbage in my last post...not the entire movie. Also, i never said the movie was too complicated for me to understand...i said it was over saturated; there is a difference. I just think it tries too hard...anything trying too hard ends up looking stupid.

I invite anyone to check out these reviews to the movie if you have time. They are just opinions like yours and mine...but i find it interesting that alot of people share my view of this movie franchise.

http://movies.go.com/movies/M/matrix3th ... index.html

by **bishibashiboy** on Mon Nov 10, 2003 7:46 am

Yeah the movies after the first one weren't that well received by critics. But oh well, that's how it is with movie critics a lot of times. They're overly critical and in the end, it's just an opinion from another. I very seldom read reviews anymore, because they're just not how I would interpret the movie and what I think of it. It doesn't really matter what anybody else thinks of it as long as I enjoyed it right?

Tony wrote:SPOILERS
the initial thing i thought about was that when Neo realized the Oracle was talking through Smith... he gave in, and the positive and the negative, what Neo and Smith are, as Oracle said, canceled eachother out... -1 + 1 = 0
although... the big machine head could've also deleted Smith after he got his hands on the code through Neo... and the third popular theory... when Smith had no more purpose (which he keeps obsessing about) after Neo did what he did, he self-deleted...

this is what i like most about this film... the speculations, various interpretations... although that obviously may be too much for a general audience.

These are all the conclusions I've heard too. I think all of them can be integrated and used as the answer to what happened.

On a side-note, I really hope Neo is dead. They really should have just brought him back to Zion and showed his body. It only leaves speculation for another movie. I think the franchise has run its course and should be finished.

by **TRUball** on Mon Nov 10, 2003 9:12 am

bishibashiboy wrote:On a side-note, I really hope Neo is dead. They really should have just brought him back to Zion and showed his body. It only leaves speculation for another movie. I think the franchise has run its course and should be finished.

Well he is dead if there is gonna be a 4th movie because Keanu Reeves said that he would not do a fourth matrix movie, I heard.

by **Tony** on Mon Nov 10, 2003 10:51 am

SPOILERS

Neo definately dies. The whole jesus christ pose at the end... well... all messiahs die. I doubt he'd ressurrect... the wachowsys clearly stated there would be no more matrix movies (though i would not be surprised that they pull a george lucas, in the twilights of their careers resurrect their biggest franchise, and start a frenzy again in 20 years).

btw, am i the only one suspecting that little girl Sati is the next "One"? afterall, in indian language that name is linked with divined, godly...

by **bishibashiboy** on Mon Nov 10, 2003 11:32 am

Hmm..interesting thought about Sati. But I don't think she is the next "One". She's already been proven to be a program within the matrix, and has been given a purpose already at the end: to make sunlight or something? I dunno..

Did anyone else notice how Morpheus didn't do jackshit in this film?
He seriously took a backseat to the action after the first film.

by **Tony** on Mon Nov 10, 2003 1:30 pm

yep, morph was definately underplayed... his only cool moment was in that club lobby... and even then he was little on screen, that was trinity's scene... in reloaded he still had action (all the samurai stuff), but lost his coolness...

as for Sati, when i first viewed it, the whole sun thing... i thought... aint this interesting, she has the power to move the sun (if neo could stop bullets and fly) - oracle acted kind of surprised. afterall, neo is part program. he carries a code programmed into him. if they programmed Sati into a living human/fuelcell/whatever... couldn't she be the next "one"? I also found it interesting that the closing credits theme had a huge bunch of oriental/indian vocal themes, perhaps unintentional, though i find it unlikely.

by **- Ace -** on Thu Nov 13, 2003 6:53 pm

The last fight scene looked like something from Dragon Ball.

by **Old School Fool** on Fri Nov 14, 2003 1:10 pm

OK look....This is one of the reasons i never seen The Matrix....but i have heard quotes and yes i know about that floating shit! I have seen varius and random clips of the Matrix Series and let me tell you i like it...and i dont want to confuse anyone or myself rather by thinkikng up this plot crap and yes...don't diss Dragonball Z or Dragonball they are great Anime SShows which i haven't watched in ages

by **Jackal** on Fri Nov 14, 2003 5:55 pm

old school fool wrote:don't diss Dragonball Z or Dragonball they are great Anime SShows which i haven't watched in ages

Suuuuuuure you haven't

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( I'm just messing man, don't go violent on my ass :wink:

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