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I think this is bad news

Postby keem21 on Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:35 am

I know this is too early but here it is:

this was taken in an fifa 08 interview
Will the PC have next-gen gameplay and graphics and if not, why not?
The gameplay engine that we’ve build for the Xbox 360 and PS3 is designed for multi-threaded, multi-core consoles. This is a significantly larger amount of power than even the top-end PCs on the market right now. Unlike many FPS titles that scale through dropping down the graphics detail, most of the power is used for the gameplay to calculate AI, animation, ball physics etc – we can’t drop the number of players!.

We have done tests that show that our new gameplay engine takes up to 34 times the CPU power of the CG gameplay engine. In other words, there are very few PC’s available in the market that could run a next-gen FIFA 08 gameplay engine.

Instead, we’ve focused on innovating and polishing the gameplay on the current-gen engine for FIFA 08 PC. We’ve also improved the graphics and added 8-player LAN this year.


in my opinion we still wont have next gen on 09...
because based on what he said... only 10-15% of computers now can handle it...next year it could be between 15-20%.. which I think is still not enough for EA to consider a port....
I hope im wrong though..
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Postby Fitzy on Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:40 am

well we already know that 08 wasnt going to be next gen, my guess is that live wont be for a while
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Postby Andrew on Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:45 am

I agree that it's not the most encouraging news but it's worth noting that it seems the main roadblock for FIFA is the number of players for which it has to calculate the AI and process animations, ball physics and so on, which would number twenty-two assuming both teams have all their players on the field. A basketball game features less than half that number of players on the court at any one time.
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Postby benji on Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:09 pm

Yeah, and it won't be a big deal on the AI as Live tends to leave that out of the game anyway.
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Postby fjccommish on Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:51 pm

"only 10-15% of computers now can handle it..."

There are about 223 million PCs in use in the USA. If the 10% number is correct, then 22 Million can handle it.

If it's 1%, that's 2.3 Million.

Multicore, multithread PCs can be had now for under $1000.
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Postby Patr1ck on Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:03 pm

Sounds like bull to me. Scaling down graphics? The current high-end gfx cards out are already better and more capable then the xbox 360's. They're telling us that quad core processors can't keep up with the 360's? Oh, I bet they're scaling back something for the PS3, since it's running with slowdowns, reportedly. I don't think they have even tried to port one of their next gen sport titles to the PC.

I'll take next-gen gameplay with current gen graphics.
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Postby benji on Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:11 pm

Especially considering how easy the 360 SDK and XNA are reported to make porting games to Windows.
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Postby dude404 on Sat Sep 08, 2007 1:39 pm

This is a significantly larger amount of power than even the top-end PCs on the market right now. Unlike many FPS titles that scale through dropping down the graphics detail, most of the power is used for the gameplay to calculate AI, animation, ball physics etc – we can’t drop the number of players!.


Wow what a bunch of lies. A top end PC right now is more powerful than an xbox 360 or PS3. There are already next gen graphics games on the PC already. For example, bioshock, in that game the PC version can get direct x 10 effects , higher resolutions etc . . the xbox 360 is the one that is toned down. Crysis also a PC game exclusive isn't being developed for the xbox 360 or ps3 because it just isn't powerful enough. I don't buy what their saying.

Why don't they just come out and make it clear that the only reason why they aren't porting next gen ea sports game is because they believe it won't sell well enough to warrant a port instead of trying to spin things.
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Postby ded.dph on Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:33 pm

lol... they are liers... I mean core2 quod only cost like 280$, and its the best Processor for home users now. In half of year almost eny new home pc(that sometimes will be used for gaming) will have something as core2quod. Video card? 8800gtx, gts are fucking good, about 300-400$. In half of year new 9800 will appear so, so 8800 prices will drop 2x. And every gamer will have 8800. rams? lol you can get 4gigs for 200-250$. what they talk is nonsecse.. If you add up everything a good pc(verygood) cost like 1,200 $?( prices maybe abit of, cuz i used prices from my country) If you ask my 1 grand for new pc isnt so much, look at ps3 or xbox they cost like 500$. If you can buy a new concole you should be able to buy new pc.. and it should be only your choice you want cheaper, only play games, sometimes watch dvd, or do enything you want, and even be able to upgrade you hardware.
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Postby ded.dph on Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:12 pm

and 1 more thing to show what bullshit ea is talking. Gues what? PES 2008 Pc Version will HAVE NEXT-GEN grafixs.
Requarems:
O.S: Windows XP
CPU: Pentium 4 3.0GHz /AMD Athlon 64 or better
Memory: 1GB RAM
Hard Disk Space: 6.5GB free memory
Optical Drive: 8x DVD-ROM drive
Graphic Card: 256MB Pixel Shader 3.0 (ATI x1600 / NVidia 6800 GT/GS or better)
DirectX 9.0c Soundcard
DirectX 9.0c or higher
Windows USB Gamepad
1280 x 720 resolution

video presentation on youtube :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQix7p8L ... ed&search=

Bullshit EA.
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Postby Cornerthree on Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:53 pm

ded.dph wrote:and 1 more thing to show what bullshit ea is talking. Gues what? PES 2008 Pc Version will HAVE NEXT-GEN grafixs.
Requarems:
O.S: Windows XP
CPU: Pentium 4 3.0GHz /AMD Athlon 64 or better
Memory: 1GB RAM
Hard Disk Space: 6.5GB free memory
Optical Drive: 8x DVD-ROM drive
Graphic Card: 256MB Pixel Shader 3.0 (ATI x1600 / NVidia 6800 GT/GS or better)
DirectX 9.0c Soundcard
DirectX 9.0c or higher
Windows USB Gamepad
1280 x 720 resolution

video presentation on youtube :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQix7p8L ... ed&search=

Bullshit EA.



wow, if this is true so I guess that we still have hope with '09 being Next-gen(for PC)...
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Postby Patr1ck on Sun Sep 09, 2007 6:54 am

We should have made a petiton as soon as 07 came out to bring out 08 in next gen. Matter of fact, I think we should make one now for 09, before they start planning.
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Postby BigKaboom2 on Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:23 am

360/PS3 games are made with the multiple cores in mind - it would probably take some major work to get them going optimally on single-core PCs, and they're not going to do anything more than a port.
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Postby benji on Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:46 am

What about the game in your signature...or all the other X360 ports...
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Postby Arthas86 on Sun Sep 09, 2007 11:26 am

We need next generation
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Postby Retrolock on Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:41 am

Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 PC gameplay footage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKvBmgQy ... ed&search=

EA's shitheads should watch the PES 08 for the PC.
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Postby BigKaboom2 on Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:50 am

benji wrote:What about the game in your signature...or all the other X360 ports...


It's not a port with minimal extra effort made as EA Sports is known to do.
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Postby k-d on Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:26 am

Pdub wrote:We should have made a petiton as soon as 07 came out to bring out 08 in next gen. Matter of fact, I think we should make one now for 09, before they start planning.
I agree.
I have a question: do you know if there will be a PC Version of Nba 2k8? I think it's the only possibility (for us) to play a good basketball game of 07-08 season.
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Postby keem21 on Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:12 am

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sad to say that there wont be a pc version of 2k8,
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Postby Bob Monkeyson on Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:39 am

yeah it'd be really cool if there was a pc version of 2k8, then we'd actually have some competition as far as the pc nba games are concerned.
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Postby Andrew on Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:07 am

Pdub wrote:We should have made a petiton as soon as 07 came out to bring out 08 in next gen. Matter of fact, I think we should make one now for 09, before they start planning.


It certainly couldn't hurt. I'm not sure how effective it would be but we've got nothing to lose.
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Postby keem21 on Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:26 pm

@andrew
how many people do you think we need to convince EA??
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Postby dude404 on Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:49 pm

BigKaboom2 wrote:360/PS3 games are made with the multiple cores in mind - it would probably take some major work to get them going optimally on single-core PCs, and they're not going to do anything more than a port.


That may or may not be true, but their have already been next gen sports ported to the PC, released or planned. These games can be played on a single core PC as well as a multi core PC. Don't understand why EA can't do it too, instead of making up lies they should just tell the truth.
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Postby dude404 on Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:56 pm

I think a petition is definitely a good idea to get next gen PC sports game to the PC. For example, the PSP community petition for Resident Evil to come to the PSP and they got thousands of signatures. The news of the petition got some of the developers attention with them saying that it was an impressive amount of signatures and made them think twice or something like that. Nows it is yet to be seen whether or not RE will come to the PSP or not since this is new news, but at least they did something that gave them a chance of getting it on their platform.

If someone starts up a petition i'll sign it right away, and if we spread the petition around the internet it will spread like wild fire. This may get EA's attention, you won't know until you try.
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Postby Matt on Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:15 pm

a petition won't do anything.....$$$ is the language of business and there is none in the PC market. If there was a profitable opportunity someone else would have already tapped into it!
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