2Pac and various others

[Colin]

You said that "if all those rappers were still doing the same thing they were doing years ago, then the East would own no doubt." What new stuff has the South come with recently. All this crunk is old stuff that the mainstream didn't know about until 1-2 years ago. Chopped and Screwed is even older. OutKast changed, but that's one group. And they went completely crazy. More like Andre went crazy though.

[-BHZMAFIA-]

If it's old stuff then why are the rappers still making money off of it and the fanbase is higher than it's ever been. More people enjoy listening to the crunk stuff and the chopped and screwed isn't that old.

I also would like to know exactly who Immortal Technique, Jedi Mind Tricks and Cormega are because I've never heard of them. I think I've heard of Cormega before, but just overlooked him. If someone could give me some new songs by those rappers then I'll check them out.

Everyone like different style of music, and rap has many different styles which is why I think it's the best. Southern rap is known as crunk music, East rap is known as more freestyling and hip-hop, the West is known more as gangsta lean type music. So if you like that type of music, there is nothing I can really do about that, but I like the crunk music such as Pastor Troy. Southern rap is more of that mean-mug type of rap and IMO the african-american fanbase enjoys more than other rap.

[Colin]

Chopped and Screwed started 10 years ago in Houston.

[SkipToMy_Lou]

Chopped and Screwed started 10 years ago in Houston.

Thank you Sandman

[Colin]

I saw it when lowkey posted it. Thanks to both of those Southerners.

[-BHZMAFIA-]

Hmm, I wonder how Mike Jones, Paul Wall, Michael Watts, Lil Boosie and Slim Thug are all of a sudden getting so popular with it then.

[Colin]

Because things aren't popular the minute they're invented/developed. Bambaataa wasn't getting radioplay in the 70's.

[XianeX]

I also would like to know exactly who Immortal Technique, Jedi Mind Tricks and Cormega are because I've never heard of them. I think I've heard of Cormega before, but just overlooked him. If someone could give me some new songs by those rappers then I'll check them out.

Please tell me you are joking.

Everyone like different style of music, and rap has many different styles which is why I think it's the best. Southern rap is known as crunk music, East rap is known as more freestyling and hip-hop, the West is known more as gangsta lean type music. So if you like that type of music, there is nothing I can really do about that, but I like the crunk music such as Pastor Troy. Southern rap is more of that mean-mug type of rap and IMO the african-american fanbase enjoys more than other rap.

While there are different types of hip-hop, who are YOU to say that African-Americans like South music more than any other? All my african-american friends respect all types of hip-hop but only a select few of them (the ones who go to clubs night in and out) like crunk music over any other type of hip-hop.

Hmm, I wonder how Mike Jones, Paul Wall, Michael Watts, Lil Boosie and Slim Thug are all of a sudden getting so popular with it then.

...popularity does not make an artist a good artist. Tell me, you keep mentioning these mainstream figures so I decided to give you a question. P. Diddy was very popular a few years ago and he was at the top of a lot of those charts, does that make him a good artist? Not to mention that Mike Jones (who?) and Paul Wall are some of the worst rappers I've ever heard.

[Colin]

Not to mention that Mike Jones (who?) and Paul Wall are some of the worst rappers I've ever heard.

lol, nice one.

The difference here is that we (or at leats me and Skip) know about all areas good rapper, you don't know about anything other than the South. Now I still like the South, especially Geto Boys, OutKast, UGK, etc.

[-BHZMAFIA-]

The difference here is that we (or at leats me and Skip) know about all areas good rapper, you don't know about anything other than the South. Now I still like the South, especially Geto Boys, OutKast, UGK, etc.

Don't say that too fast because someone brought up Lloyd Banks from G-Unit, but how you not going to know Young Buck from G-Unit? When you mention UGK, Geto Boys, Goodie Mob, those rappers haven't came out with nothing in the previous year and probably ended up selling a bunch of albums and their albums going platinum or gold.

While there are different types of hip-hop, who are YOU to say that African-Americans like South music more than any other? All my african-american friends respect all types of hip-hop but only a select few of them (the ones who go to clubs night in and out) like crunk music over any other type of hip-hop.

Who said I didn't like other type of hip-hop AT ALL? I didn't say that, but like I said, from where I've been (Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, Texas, St. Louis) just some places where you will find many blacks, that they prefer southern music as of now.

...popularity does not make an artist a good artist. Tell me, you keep mentioning these mainstream figures so I decided to give you a question. P. Diddy was very popular a few years ago and he was at the top of a lot of those charts, does that make him a good artist? Not to mention that Mike Jones (who?) and Paul Wall are some of the worst rappers I've ever heard.

Yes P.Diddy was a good artist when he was popular. Look at the people he had on his CD's and what makes him popular is that he has his own record label with artists on it to go along with the entertainment he does himself. IMO Mike Jones is a bad rapper because the only thing he say is the same thing, BUT Paul Wall is good and that shows how we are two different people because Paul Wall can rap.

[SkipToMy_Lou]

Don't say that too fast because someone brought up Lloyd Banks from G-Unit, but how you not going to know Young Buck from G-Unit? When you mention UGK, Geto Boys, Goodie Mob, those rappers haven't came out with nothing in the previous year and probably ended up selling a bunch of albums and their albums going platinum or gold.

Geto Boys released The Foundation earlier this year, and the album is fucking great one of my favourite albums of the year so far.

Not to mention that Mike Jones (who?) and Paul Wall are some of the worst rappers I've ever heard.

Lmao co-sign on that Mike Jones he is terrible, all you hear on his tracks Who Is Mike Jones ? and yo heres my phone number, I got no friends so call me

Paul Wall is aight tho, don't mind his stuff

Puff Daddy has sucked as a rapper his whole career and who cares if he had big names on his albums, if I had a record label as big as Bad Boy then I'd have as many guest appearances too...

[-BHZMAFIA-]

Puff Daddy has sucked as a rapper his whole career and who cares if he had big names on his albums, if I had a record label as big as Bad Boy then I'd have as many guest appearances too...

That's what I'm saying, he has made it in the industry as far as having a big business go and when Biggie was with Bad Boy and Ma$e, that made his stock sky-rocket. He knows business and that's the main reason you see big name artist on his albums. I wouldn't really consider P-Diddy as a rapper really, more of a producer. He does some rap now in days, but not as much as he use to.

[Colin]

He doesn't really do anything well but make money. He just samples songs for producing and gets ghostwriters for rapping. And makes second versions of tv shows.

And I mentioned Lloyd banks not because of the garbage solo album he released, I don't even remember what it's called. I'm talking about pre-G-Unit Lloyd. The one that was smoking on mixtapes. Straight Out of Cashville was like a 5 or a 6 out of 10 though and not much better than the Banks showing.

And as Skip said The Geto Boys released The Foundation, and Cee-Lo from Goodie Mobb put out Cee-Lo Green and His Perfect Imperfections last year. So that's wrong on two counts. And just because you put out a lot of music doesn't make you good.

[-BHZMAFIA-]

And just because you put out a lot of music doesn't make you good.

That's an understatement. That's just like saying that if you put out a good album, doesn't mean you are a good rapper. It really doesn't make sense. Give props when props are do because you got to respect the man's job. He takes care of business and yes his TV shows are crappy, but he know what he is doing and that's why he is so successful.

I thought you were talking about Goodie Mobb (THE GROUP) put out an album. I know Cee-Lo put an album out, but it was his solo album. My bad on The Geto Boys thing though.

[Colin]

And just because you put out a lot of music doesn't make you good.

That's an understatement. That's just like saying that if you put out a good album, doesn't mean you are a good rapper. It really doesn't make sense.

Yes it does, it's the quantity vs. quality argument. A few years back Ja Rule was putting out an album every 10 months, and he just kept getting worse. Nas's two worst albums (Nastradamus, I Am...) were both released the same year. I'll say it again, lots of music does not mean good music.

Give props when props are do because you got to respect the man's job. He takes care of business and yes his TV shows are crappy, but he know what he is doing and that's why he is so successful.

Oh I would kill to be in Sean's position right now. I admire the fact he can blow up like that in an industry that he isn't very talented in. It's remarkable. If the phrase 'pimped the system' was ever appropriate it's right now.

[Boyk]

P.Diddys alright.

i like Missing you and Mo money Mo Problems, but other than that, i havent heard a whole lot from him, i didnt mind Come with me either the theme song for godzilla, based to the fact that i liked the beat

[Colin]

All of those song prominately (sp?) feature samples.
But I still like some of the Diddy songs. I do have a retail copy of No Way Out.

[Dramacydal]

I also would like to know exactly who Immortal Technique, Jedi Mind Tricks and Cormega are because I've never heard of them.

you come here saying the south is better than the east but probably dont even know half of the rappers from the east...that says it all. im out.

[Matt]

(eg Cormega, Talib Kweli, Immortal Technique, Jedi Mind Tricks) theyre better than each and every single rapper from the south. period.

hahah, NONE of these dudes can TOUCH Scarface. Shit, only Nas is on the same level as Face from the East. Everyone else has fallen off or is irrelevant.

[-BHZMAFIA-]

you come here saying the south is better than the east but probably dont even know half of the rappers from the east...that says it all. im out.

No it's not beacuse I can stand by my argument after listening to some of their songs.

Now I know the different between the music you like and the type of music I like. They just aren't my style.

[Filip]

I'm depending on Mafia here having the best knowledge of the black-music genre "american-hiphop" since he's the only one who is black and lives in america here
Quite logical ain't it?

[XianeX]

I'm depending on Mafia here having the best knowledge of the black-music genre "american-hiphop" since he's the only one who is black and lives in america here
Quite logical ain't it?

Just because he's african-american does not make his point more valid than anyone else's.

[The GOAT]

I'm depending on Mafia here having the best knowledge of the black-music genre "american-hiphop" since he's the only one who is black and lives in america here
Quite logical ain't it?

No it's just that Mafia likes teh mainstream shit and Drama likes teh classics from teh golden era of rap, when teh music was actually good.

[-BHZMAFIA-]

I'm depending on Mafia here having the best knowledge of the black-music genre "american-hiphop" since he's the only one who is black and lives in america here
Quite logical ain't it?

Well to put in his terms, I know alot of black people since I am black and I have more opinions from others that love rap/hip hop than probably anyone else. I'm not saying some of you don't know alot of black people, but I interact with blacks every day all day which is why I think my opinion is stronger. The fact that more blacks listen to rap than other races as well.

No it's just that Mafia likes teh mainstream shit and Drama likes teh classics from teh golden era of rap, when teh music was actually good.

You right, I don't like all the classic shit because it's time for things to change. If you keep trying to live in the past, you will never get anywhere. New styles of music come out and everything goes on. There's no need of keep bringing up these people that have these old skool beats and rhymes because that stuff IMO was good in the 90's and its the 21st century and that MAINSTREAM shit you talking about has been the thing in the 21st century.

[XianeX]

I'm depending on Mafia here having the best knowledge of the black-music genre "american-hiphop" since he's the only one who is black and lives in america here
Quite logical ain't it?

Well to put in his terms, I know alot of black people since I am black and I have more opinions from others that love rap/hip hop than probably anyone else. I'm not saying some of you don't know alot of black people, but I interact with blacks every day all day which is why I think my opinion is stronger. The fact that more blacks listen to rap than other races as well.

You're saying this like you're the only one who interacts with african-americans every day; I do as well. Your opinion is no more valid than mine just because of your race.

No it's just that Mafia likes teh mainstream shit and Drama likes teh classics from teh golden era of rap, when teh music was actually good.

You right, I don't like all the classic shit because it's time for things to change. If you keep trying to live in the past, you will never get anywhere. New styles of music come out and everything goes on. There's no need of keep bringing up these people that have these old skool beats and rhymes because that stuff IMO was good in the 90's and its the 21st century and that MAINSTREAM shit you talking about has been the thing in the 21st century.

We're not exactly talking about old school hip-hop. Maybe you do, but I don't consider Common, Immortal Technique, Nas, etc. old school.