Uninstalling Live 2005

[End Boss]

I put so much time into this game and all I get is hours wasted and infinite frustration. I just don't see the point in fighting tooth and nail on defense, struggling for open looks only to be put on dry spells and to have the cpu drain shots over double teams with the clock winding down. It's as if the only point of defense is slowing down a scoring machine slightly because it'll inevitably score 20 - 40 possessions in a row. I'm a fiercely competitive person... ahh fuck it.. wasted too much time on this shit neway..

I'm not buying another live until I can play against 5 human players

[Metsis]

You don't sound like a fiercely competetive person... You sound like a quitter.

If you can't beat the AI you can mess with the sliders... And you have to see that basket ball is not a game where you have to or even can keep the opposition from scoring all the time... The object of the game is to score more than the opposition. Not defend the opposition to zero points and get a single basket and win... This is not soccer, this is not hockey... This is basket ball... The scores end up in the nineties most of the time...

The guys playing the game are there because they can do incredible stuff with the ball and sometimes do score against all odds... That's what they do. Who would have thought that Derek Fisher would score in 0.4 seconds to win a game for Lakers last spring. 12 down and under a minute to go, who would have thought that you could still win the game in regulation time before TMac did what he did (I think the single most incredible feat in basket ball history). All those last second shots... Some fall some don't...

I have to give you that that the AI does seem to score a little too often from some tough spots, but you can do it too... I've been hitting the fadeaway jumper with one guy to almost anyones face... A generated rookie in second season with fied goal rating of 89. You can too hit the hard shots...

Live 2005 is basically the first EVER NBA Live game that offers any challenge after a few games, so you are just throwing in the towel the first instance you see yourself in trouble... Frustration is good, just think how much better it will be when you eventually start to win the games...

Basketball in real life is still about putting the ball through the hoop and these guys are the best in world at making it so. It's no wonder they are difficult to stop... They are the best, the toughest, the strongest and the most athletic guys out there. Embrace the game or just throw in the towel when you can't win 80 games in a season with the worst team in the league.

Challenge... I love it... Been waiting for this since NBA Live 95...

[AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy]

You don't sound like a fiercely competetive person... You sound like a quitter.

If you can't beat the AI you can mess with the sliders... And you have to see that basket ball is not a game where you have to or even can keep the opposition from scoring all the time... The object of the game is to score more than the opposition. Not defend the opposition to zero points and get a single basket and win... This is not soccer, this is not hockey... This is basket ball... The scores end up in the nineties most of the time...

The guys playing the game are there because they can do incredible stuff with the ball and sometimes do score against all odds... That's what they do. Who would have thought that Derek Fisher would score in 0.4 seconds to win a game for Lakers last spring. 12 down and under a minute to go, who would have thought that you could still win the game in regulation time before TMac did what he did (I think the single most incredible feat in basket ball history). All those last second shots... Some fall some don't...

I have to give you that that the AI does seem to score a little too often from some tough spots, but you can do it too... I've been hitting the fadeaway jumper with one guy to almost anyones face... A generated rookie in second season with fied goal rating of 89. You can too hit the hard shots...

Live 2005 is basically the first EVER NBA Live game that offers any challenge after a few games, so you are just throwing in the towel the first instance you see yourself in trouble... Frustration is good, just think how much better it will be when you eventually start to win the games...

Basketball in real life is still about putting the ball through the hoop and these guys are the best in world at making it so. It's no wonder they are difficult to stop... They are the best, the toughest, the strongest and the most athletic guys out there. Embrace the game or just throw in the towel when you can't win 80 games in a season with the worst team in the league.

Challenge... I love it... Been waiting for this since NBA Live 95...

Totally with you there... Using the sliders you can make this EXACTLY the gane you want it to be. Want realism? Got It. Want fun? Got It. Want impossible challenges? Got 'em.
I agree it takes long hours to figure the sliders out, but in the end it's worth it. So friend, I understand your frustration, but competitiveness(albeit in a video game) requires a nose-to-the-grindstone approach...

[Matthew]

I'm all for a tough video game, but not at the expense of realism. Live comprimises on that, and thats why some people simply cant play it anymore. Who wants to see scrubs like Juwan Horward and Danny Fortson rack up 10 blocks on jermaine oneal and tim duncan? Sure it makes things tough, but it also takes away the simulation and realism part away from it, which is what killed live 2003 as well.

[End Boss]

You don't sound like a fiercely competetive person... You sound like a quitter.

In my defense I've just started back at uni and the main reason for uninstalling is that I need to devote my time to that as opposed to my live addiction.. don't get me wrong.. I love nba live and have been in love since '95.. but u know.. sometimes it shits me to tears.. and i think cambyman is spot on in saying that EA greatly sacrifices realism in making the game challenging.. you know.. if they want it to be more difficult they should run better plays and try to get more open looks..

i know that great offense always beats great defense.. but there's a lot more to great offense than just sinking shots.. it's about getting open looks, beating your man.. sure there's fade away jump shots and sinking tough shots in the face of your opponent.. but for the best part that's all there is in nba live.. show me a team in the nba that scores in the face of strong defense 40 to 50 plays a game.. I personally feel that the offensive prowess of the AI doesn't warrant it's scoring.. and thats frustrating..

I'll still be playing live 2004 on my gc at uni with mates though.. most fun ever

[COOLmac©]

metsis you really have the knacks of putting a lot of words in your post(A.K.A. lectures)sometimes you sound like a father talking to us children... i admire you for that.
to mercury though. i dont think he's a quitter but he just found out that there's more to life than computer games. it's everyones choice really on what to do in their lives

[[lob]-Shy]

i'll 2nd, 3rd 4th,5th, or whatever this motion....its just about tweaking the game to your liking....it's possible, trust me, i have me sum great games when i play cause i finally got it right...my games are always close with similar teams to mine....i always struggle so hard against the great teams, and i usually always beat bad teams pretty easily.....usually.....dont give up....be a soldier.....just keep tweakin....a great game is there, ya just have to find it

[debiler]

Who wants to see scrubs like Juwan Horward and Danny Fortson rack up 10 blocks on jermaine oneal and tim duncan?

Play smart. Duncan and O'Neal can shotfake these guys almost every time. Now don't tell me that's cheap, because that's what they do. They do the same move over and over and over again. Tim Duncan has his bankshot, JO the post-fadeaway. If your defensive assignments are Fortson or Howard, you shouldn't have any problems scoring 30 or more on the AI's ass. It took me quite a while to understand that T-Mac or Iverson are all about crazy shots that could never go in. In reality, it's just the same: they drive their opponents crazy. But that's the point where I also have to admit that the game lacks realism. Why can guys like Jeff McInnis or Kenny Anderson do that crazy stuff? Of course, they are good players too, but it happens to me almost every time. Why not use the primacy rating more excessively to determine whether a contested shot goes in? And it could also tell the AI how many shots a player should get during a game. Of course, there can be games when a no-name player drop 30 points, but it should be kept realistic.

[Matthew]

I dont want to pump fake my way to wins though.. it was the same with 2004, i didnt use hop step all the time, beuase its not the way its played in the nba. and thats the way i like to play the games, the same way i see it on tv. of course we'll never truely reach that level, but i dont want to revert back to 2002 where i have to pump fake my opponent to death to get baskets.

Thats why I like espn better at the moment.