9 Minutes of Gameplay

You do that.

Having been in 2Ks offices for 6 weeks, let me just laugh off any claims that the people at VC aren't working hard. With the exception of 2K12, the game felt consistently better every year, even on years when it wasn't that improved in the places I wanted it to be.

If you think all VC has been doing all year long is add a few animations, man you just (don't) see what you (don't) want to see.

Thanx for your answer here Leftos, but you can't say that globaly.
Gameplay is better (post game, tactics, ia) yes
But graphics aren't (same textures in 2K10 & 2K13, but smaller res in 2K13 ?!), game modes disappear, menus are awfull (thanx jay-z)
New bugs appears (replay), never corrected

ps : i wish you the best at 2K, and thanx for your tools.

Leftos, jeez and what can u say right now? That 2k as a company are lazy? From 2k9 until now i cant play online with normal fps, and its just one example(we..the community got many of examples like this), is it hard work for you? cmon be fair(if u can). Like i said before, i like 2k games, i can play basketball on my pc, im greatful for that; but hey its not givin me rights to be blind for some things. NBA 2k stops at 2k11 and this is well known opinion with i agree in 100%. 2k12 is step back and 2k13 is just better animated. From 2-3 years they are lazy, earn money from another number after K.

I disagree with lazy, but certain things are very very low on their priority list like art/graphics.

so why downgrade graphics (specially on PC) ?!

downgrade graphics, shadows, textures resolution

If the main complaint is old-gen graphics, I'm fine with that. And skoadam, you can like 2K11 more than 2K13, that's your opinion, and let me disagree.

As for the lazy, you can keep saying it, it doesn't make it any more true. There are priorities, and it's a matter of personal taste whether you'll appreciate what the team did during the year or not. The people here are passionate and strive to make a very good basketball game.

And that ends my participation in this thread. If you have constructive feedback on what's in that video, so that me or any other dev can read it and take something useful from it, go ahead. Comments such as "this sucks", "2K devs are lazy and just get the money money money", or "2K13.1", won't do anything. I'm not saying you're not allowed to post those things, I'm just saying you're not helping, if that's even what you want to do in the first place.

If you want the devs to listen to you, you have to respect their work first, even if it's not on what you consider the most important aspects.

Everyone needs to stop there complaining about 2k13 for current gen. What do you expect from 2k13 to 2k14 a mind blowing change no. These developers and programmers have lives to you know. Do some research on how a game is created, im going in to this profession within a year or two. They are limitations, such as space. They cant just throw every single thing in there that they want to. They had to create a new compression system in order to add the other animations. Also graphics takes space also. 2k13 was taking a different approach to the graphics basically preparing for next gen. Also if you think 2k14 next gen is going to be crazy you are wrong this have a strategy just like every other game. Xbox One and PS4 are going to be around for atleast 10 years. Why would they give us everything in the first year thats dumb. Dont expect the best until the last coming years of the systems. Modders hate when people ask why is it taking so long to make a certain patch. well try to it yourself then, same thing applies here.

Having been in 2Ks offices for 6 weeks, let me just laugh off any claims that the people at VC aren't working hard.

Maybe not lazy, but you have to agree that some aspects of the game are not worked on as hard as others. Hopefully the real reason that some areas are lackluster is that the devs (or management) deem it not important. I am specifically calling out the VC graphics department though for the courts and arenas as one example of what doesn't appear to be given high priority, or maybe they just can't do a good job because management wants them to focus on other things such as animation, I don't know. I should note I am critiquing 2K13 and the above video.

The gameplay shown in this video is unimpressive to me personally but I think people who've questioned VC's entire overall effort based on the above gameplay video should be reminded that VC has been working on 2 games at once this past year, this version and next-gen not to mention transitioning to a new console generation is difficult, especially the early stages. I'm more looking forward to the next-gen version anyway because I was impressed by the gameplay snippet shown in the next-gen reveal video, now that looks like it could be revolutionary.

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If the main complaint is old-gen graphics, I'm fine with that. And skoadam, you can like 2K11 more than 2K13, that's your opinion, and let me disagree.

As for the lazy, you can keep saying it, it doesn't make it any more true. There are priorities, and it's a matter of personal taste whether you'll appreciate what the team did during the year or not. The people here are passionate and strive to make a very good basketball game.

And that ends my participation in this thread. If you have constructive feedback on what's in that video, so that me or any other dev can read it and take something useful from it, go ahead. Comments such as "this sucks", "2K devs are lazy and just get the money money money", or "2K13.1", won't do anything. I'm not saying you're not allowed to post those things, I'm just saying you're not helping, if that's even what you want to do in the first place.

If you want the devs to listen to you, you have to respect their work first, even if it's not on what you consider the most important aspects.

Leftos, cmon ure kidding right now?
Im not 5 year old kid. I never post "this sucks". I gave you simple examples which are not fixed from 5years and you think that im so stupid to believe that 2k devs dont know about this? But hey, it not must be fixed at all, its their decision but we customers must live with that. Tell me, from your point of view, how it looks when people from proffesional studio using pink when it shud be red? 5 years no fix? Can u make me understand this? And what it is? Because for me its lazy. And again its just one from hundrets bugs, issues call what ever u want.
We all not lookin for perfect game, we're lookin for normality.
What for is online mode when its unplayable for 3years if i good remember... cmon Leftos dont make me list you all this things that should be fixed because we are doin this year by year and basic things never was changed. Once again im not start this discuss, im just talk about things that are based on facts. Peace bro.

how it looks when people from proffesional studio using pink when it shud be red? 5 years no fix? Can u make me understand this? And what it is? Because for me its lazy. And again its just one from hundrets bugs, issues call what ever u want.

The colors are taken directly from the NBA official color list and 2K is, iirc, forced to use them. This is something that has been addressed multiple times and something Arcane is more knowledgeable about it than I am. He has discussed it in the past few podcasts iirc as well.

What for is online mode when its unplayable for 3years if i good remember

It is playable this year. It sucks we have to do Online Associations to play against friends, but at least we have online. We know for a fact that PC porting is not prioritized because the userbase is so limited compared to the consoles. Should they just use Steamworks and integrate that for friends, VC protection, and DLC? Sure, but if the money isn't there to make up for the costs of doing all that. So we get arguably "half" the game for half price.
But again, if you want all those features, get a console. If you want mods, stick with PC. Unfortunately, we can't get both.

skoadam, you're listing pc issues, correct? It's not even a debate that the PC version is the lowest on their priority list. They didn't even release a patch for 2k13, and the price is half of the console version. Sure, I'd love for the PC version to be nice and shinny with all issues addressed, but if they say "screw it" and stop releasing the game for PC, then you'll be wishing for a watered down version.

Hopefully with next gen consoles being practically PCs, it will be easier for 2K to put out a PC version with full features, if they put one out at all.

Unfortunately, we can't get both.

And why we cant get both? For me answer is clear. But hey like i said earlier. I love nba from 2k, but if i see gameplay which is similar in 95% with previous version, please let me decide to not buy 2k14 on pc and please do not tell me how improved version it is. And i really dont want to hear that it looks different, it looks the same as 2k13+ few new animations. Look at the scoreboard, if i good remember its almost the same. So how to not post: few animations ffs.
Im using brain and yes i know its global treatment for pc customers by devs. Only few games base on pc players.

Unfortunately, we can't get both.

And why we cant get both? For me answer is clear. But hey like i said earlier. I love nba from 2k, but if i see gameplay which is similar in 95% with previous version, please let me decide to not buy 2k14 on pc and please do not tell me how improved version it is. And i really dont want to hear that it looks different, it looks the same as 2k13+ few new animations. Look at the scoreboard, if i good remember its almost the same. So how to not post: few animations ffs.
Im using brain and yes i know its global treatment for pc customers by devs. Only few games base on pc players.

Stop your complaining, the graphics are slighty improved, gameplay is better. You cant judge something from a a 360p video with someone that sucks playing the game. If you dont like the PC version play console you probably didnt even buy the PC version for all we know. You are not going to get the perfect game that you want. From a business side of things that would be dumb. MOVE ON. PS since i dont want the 360 version of the game im waiting to get next gen which will have it own problems and bugs that wont be fixed till later years. Also if people want realistic graphics, why do pc users download SJ's globals which are highly unrealistic. Some of them are better then default but the most popular ones are the unrealistic ones. Make up your minds.

Unfortunately, we can't get both.

And why we cant get both? For me answer is clear. But hey like i said earlier. I love nba from 2k, but if i see gameplay which is similar in 95% with previous version, please let me decide to not buy 2k14 on pc and please do not tell me how improved version it is. And i really dont want to hear that it looks different, it looks the same as 2k13+ few new animations. Look at the scoreboard, if i good remember its almost the same. So how to not post: few animations ffs.
Im using brain and yes i know its global treatment for pc customers by devs. Only few games base on pc players.

Stop your complaining, the graphics are slighty improved, gameplay is better. You cant judge something from a a 360p video with someone that sucks playing the game. If you dont like the PC version play console you probably didnt even buy the PC version for all we know. You are not going to get the perfect game that you want. From a business side of things that would be dumb. MOVE ON. PS since i dont want the 360 version of the game im waiting to get next gen which will have it own problems and bugs that wont be fixed till later years. Also if people want realistic graphics, why do pc users download SJ's globals which are highly unrealistic. Some of them are better then default but the most popular ones are the unrealistic ones. Make up your minds.

What can i say you. Graphics is improved mostly because of community work, gameplay is improved mostly because of community, u must be huge ignorant if u dont know this or acting u dont know that. Load up defaults settings and tell me that u play realistic. Delete Sixers courts and tell me u see close to real courts, delete well known rosters and tell me u see realistic ratings, and tell me in premiere day that u can play with all first round picks with defaults roster.
btw.Im not using sj's globals lol and i got my own copy of 2k13, 2k12,2k11 and 2k10 and i dont like your tone of speech

What can i say you. Graphics is improved mostly because of community work, gameplay is improved mostly because of community, u must be huge ignorant if u dont know this or acting u dont know that. Load up defaults settings and tell me that u play realistic. Delete Sixers courts and tell me u see close to real courts, delete well known rosters and tell me u see realistic ratings, and tell me in premiere day that u can play with all first round picks with defaults roster.
btw.Im not using sj's globals lol and i got my own copy of 2k13, 2k12,2k11 and 2k10 and i dont like your tone of speech

1. How can you make gameplay better? By using the slider adjustments 2k gave to us. 2. Without 2k we wouldnt even be able to mod. You tell me the name of any patcher that can make a patch without 2k default texture or model. They dont have the time to get every little detail perfect. Its a yearly title. If you want to improve all of these thing i suggest you go to school learn about the business, get a job at 2k and fix it. Until you do that stop complaining. The only thing i use are the cyberfaces and courts patches. I use default global because it good enough. Stop nitpicking

Are we talking about freeware game?
So from your point of view, devs just shud release game and we should be greatful to have possibility to fix it. Well, im probably little older than you, so i never aprove this situation. Sry.

damn you Andrew and your tropes list.....I'm going to give you a shot anyway skoadam

And why we cant get both?

It is not financially worth it to provide the PC version with the additional servers and policing to prevent cheating with the VC system, that is my view on it. Sales would go down if the PC version were the same price to justify the features, so again, less $$$. If you want to continue to complain about the PC features, you are welcome to start a new thread, or join the discussion in the previous threads on PC features, but attacking Leftos, who has no say whatsoever on marketing, is not going to be tolerated.
Now, for your other points.

please let me decide to not buy 2k14 on pc

no one is telling you to buy it

please do not tell me how improved version it is

Live 08 PC was 1000% better than Live 07 because of the small improvements to the freestyle superstars and fixing 07's bugs. Was it perfect, hell no, but minor improvements help and it looks like that is what we are in store for with 2K14. Fixing blocking, new animations and collisions, faster passing without the need of exe edits, improved AI, and the new controls, I'm sold right there.

i really dont want to hear that it looks different

who said it looks different? I dont think anyone has claimed the graphics have been drastically improved. All I want 2K to do is let the players use their full 512x512 face and arm textures instead of the 256x256 mip-maps.

Look at the scoreboard, if i good remember its almost the same

so what?

You are not going to get the perfect game that you want. From a business side of things that would be dumb. MOVE ON

A nicer way to put this is recognize that we do not have the voice to make the decision or deserve a fully-featured game. Taking that out on a new developer who has done so much for the PC community before working for 2K is what makes no sense.

*Mods are better* ... i dont like your tone of speech

And yours is very disrespectful. You are telling us you "dont want to hear it" yet asking questions and demanding answers.

devs just shud release game and we should be greatful to have possibility to fix it.

The developers make and release the game, and if we like it, we buy it and that is it. They do not expect us to mod and make it better, it is very entitled to believe that is the case. No one here is modding and "fixing" the game year after year and hating it, if they are, they should do something better with their time.

It is not financially worth it to provide the PC version with the additional servers and policing to prevent cheating with the VC system, that is my view on it. Sales would go down if the PC version were the same price to justify the features, so again, less $$$. If you want to continue to complain about the PC features, you are welcome to start a new thread, or join the discussion in the previous threads on PC features, but attacking Leftos, who has no say whatsoever on marketing, is not going to be tolerated.

simple example where is worth. EA's FIFA. Full playable online mode, with full details. Can it be done? Yes.
attacking leftos? so if i good understand discussion is now attacking, because i quote user named Leftos?

Now, for your other points.
no one is telling you to buy it

it was just read beetwen the lines cmon, dont catch me for every word.

Live 08 PC was 1000% better than Live 07 because of the small improvements to the freestyle superstars and fixing 07's bugs. Was it perfect, hell no, but minor improvements help and it looks like that is what we are in store for with 2K14. Fixing blocking, new animations and collisions, faster passing without the need of exe edits, improved AI, and the new controls, I'm sold right there.

but what all your sentence got to do with 2k14?

who said it looks different?

right now i dont know i can tell it here

so what?

i just point another thing which not change(no change-no work on it-simple isnt?) or maybe you like default 2k13 scoreboard? if yes u are probably one of the community.

A nicer way to put this is recognize that we do not have the voice to make the decision or deserve a fully-featured game. Taking that out on a new developer who has done so much for the PC community before working for 2K is what makes no sense.

i think i will never quote Leftos again, i promise.

And yours is very disrespectful. You are telling us you "dont want to hear it" yet asking questions and demanding answers.

wait wait, let me understand your path of thinking. So its ok when user suggest that i steal the game? I dont like your tone of speech is my answer on this suggestion. omg

The developers make and release the game, and if we like it, we buy it and that is it. They do not expect us to mod and make it better, it is very entitled to believe that is the case. No one here is modding and "fixing" the game year after year and hating it, if they are, they should do something better with their time.

the developers make and release game and thats all- correct. But im just customer so i can post my opinion because i paid for this product-its not freeware, or i cant?

FIFA sells a LOT more on PC than NBA 2K. Why do you think FIFA PC went to PS360 ports while the NBA Live games didn't? It is financially worth it for EA to do so, especially since they have in-house Origin which cuts more costs than it would for 2K going through Steam. No one is arguing that a proper port isn't possible, it's that such a port is not feasible.
In regards to 'attacking' Leftos', your entire demeanor has been far from respectful. It has not been productive, it has been 2K is lazy for *insert issue* yet you reject the responses from knowledgeable community members and a developer himself. I listed some of the improvements we know about 2K14 and can see in the gameplay videos, and you respond with "but what all your sentence got to do with 2k14?".
The fact remains that you made your point with not wanting to get the game, but you came back to this thread to try and change people's opinions when they actually liked what they see in 2K14 videos *(your response to MadbaLL). While we encourage sharing your opinion, this brat-fest is unneeded. If you don't like it and have shared your opinion, and people disagree but are not replying to you, there is no reason to reply with snarky remarks to their comments.

Maybe if 2k treat in the same way pc and console players, they can sells more, for sure not so good as consoles but still way more. Who from guys reading this thread will pay for game more with all consoles features? Me for sure and i see many post with the same opinion. I feel like some poor guy from third world, 2k give me half cuted product and tell me that i shoud be greatful for buyin this at half price. Well 2k let me spend same money for your full project( here i will have to use word u dont like it) but i cant because its hard work to port this into pc. Like i said before i know its global, but still global cant be one and only explain away by devs-any devs. Some products will sell for sure better with the same treatment.
After your reaction in this thread for me some things are more clear now, we must talk about 2k with special treatment, talk around about issues, problems, bugs and quality of work one of the studio. For me is bad sign, but really i will just respect this "new unwroten rule" shut my mounth and not pointing what black is black and white is white. Good luck EOT.

edit:if some1 feel attacked by me, Leftos or Madball- guys sry, really that was not my purpose.

Hi fellas, interesting discussion you're having here, I was wondering: if a game is developed, what makes it so costly to make a port for pc?
I understand it costs money to maintain servers for online play, yes indeed, but NBA Live isn't going to be released for PC at all. Even if it were offline game modes only, that would be awesome. But they don't.
I think it's normal that some games require high-end pc's, and of course: an nba game basically needs a controller, using your keyboard would make things so much harder. So it would even be possible for 2K to leave out the keyboard controls, and just 'copy-paste' the xbox/ps version to pc, and put it on a disk. Or is this too simple?
Anyway hope to see more gameplay soon!

Hi fellas, interesting discussion you're having here, I was wondering: if a game is developed, what makes it so costly to make a port for pc?
I understand it costs money to maintain servers for online play, yes indeed, but NBA Live isn't going to be released for PC at all. Even if it were offline game modes only, that would be awesome. But they don't.
I think it's normal that some games require high-end pc's, and of course: an nba game basically needs a controller, using your keyboard would make things so much harder. So it would even be possible for 2K to leave out the keyboard controls, and just 'copy-paste' the xbox/ps version to pc, and put it on a disk. Or is this too simple?
Anyway hope to see more gameplay soon!

Thats is way to simple, they would have to program it for pc. Which would require more time and money. But for next gen since the console are basically modeled from high end pc's it shouldnt take much to to port over to pc. Im not saying it will but NBA Live might dome back to pc never know. If people put in the effort to tweet them and talk to them maybe that can happen,

We shouldn't even blame Leftos for anything we don't like about 2K13.1
We should be doing that with 2K15.

shadowgrin, i cant see one single post blaming Leftos for how it look.