Trade - Nets: Joe Johnson; ATL: Morrow, 1st round pick, junk

[benji]

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_ ... ources-say

The Brooklyn Nets have come to terms with the Atlanta Hawks on a multiplayer trade that will land them All-Star guard Joe Johnson in exchange for several players with expiring contracts, according to sources briefed on the discussions.

The Nets reached a handshake agreement with the Hawks, after talks between the teams all weekend, while officials from the Dallas Mavericks were meeting face-to-face in New York with Nets star Deron Williams, this summer's marquee free agent.

The deal as it stands, as reported Sunday night by ESPN.com, calls for the Nets to send the expiring contracts of Jordan Farmar, Johan Petro, Anthony Morrow and Jordan Williams along with DeShawn Stevenson (via sign-and-trade) and a future first-round pick (lottery-protected in 2013 via Houston) to Atlanta in exchange for Johnson. This trade construction allows the Nets to meet two of their key objectives, as they managed to keep promising guard MarShon Brooks out of the trade as well as retain their own first-round pick in 2013.

[uly]

Maybe they're assuming if Derron Williams will go to Dallas, still they have a primary scorer., On the other hand if they get Johnson maybe Derron will not leave. But whatever the reason its a bad shot getting up Johnson, they don't need guards, they have an upcoming 2 guard, maybe what they need is a solid bench player.. To back them up. Like harden or Gordon..

[Andrew]

Johnson's contract aside, it's not a completely terrible deal for the Nets. He remains a talented player and with their chances of bringing Dwight Howard in seemingly slim, it's fair enough that they try to do what they can to re-group and keep Deron Williams around. Supposedly his choices are between the Nets and Mavericks and to be honest, the Mavericks don't look like they're going to be in amazing shape even if he signs there, so it's probably not a bad pitch.

The Hawks aren't getting too bad a deal for him. More importantly, they're getting expiring contracts in return, some of which are probably going to be bought out anyway. Good move for them moving forward.

[benji]

David Aldridge ‏@daldridgetnt

Subtract another $1.5M RT @NetsDaily Hearing Farmar will be bought out for $1.5M as soon as deal is done. He preferred buyout to opt-out.

Boom.

[Lamrock]

Sweet, $129 million invested in two over-30 starting-caliber swingmen.

[Murat]

Wow. Weird trades 2012 has started.

[Spree#8]

Billy King is the man. I can only be happy that he's not pulling the strings for the Sixers anymore.

[Andrew]

It kept Deron Williams in town, so I guess it achieved its purpose. If the rumblings of a Howard deal still being a possibility are at all true, I'd say we'll likely all forget how bad a couple of those contracts look.

[Nick]

Wow, Deron, Joey and Wallace are all massively overpaid. Nets are in trouble if they dont win.

[benji]

If the rumblings of a Howard deal still being a possibility are at all true

It's not impossible, but basically is. The Nets now have a hard cap and Orlando doesn't seem interested in anything they can offer.

[killer_cr0ss0ver]

i dont think they will be a playoff contender.
for me, i think getting johnson with his huge contract and giving that kind of amount is just too much consumption on nets cap space. how will they add big players with their now limited cap.

nets roster move on joe and gerald

[graybakflip]

i dont think they will be a playoff contender.
for me, i think getting johnson with his huge contract and giving that kind of amount is just too much consumption on nets cap space. how will they add big players with their now limited cap.

nets roster move on joe and gerald

c'mon, if those JJ+crash deals would make dwill(the asst GM of nets ) stay, PLUS a possibility(like their chances) of acquiring DH12, it's not fair to grade this moves down..and saying this is not a playoff contender?on a eastern conference where bulls(injured, and possible no drose this season), pacers lossing hibbert to portland?really?..tell me another team that has better overall back-court than the nets?..

[Andrew]

They're definitely not championship contenders, but they should have the talent to at least sneak into the Playoffs, perhaps even snag the 5th or 6th seed. They are overpaying a couple of players, but said players are still good.

[killer_cr0ss0ver]

i dont think they will be a playoff contender.
for me, i think getting johnson with his huge contract and giving that kind of amount is just too much consumption on nets cap space. how will they add big players with their now limited cap.

nets roster move on joe and gerald

c'mon, if those JJ+crash deals would make dwill(the asst GM of nets ) stay, PLUS a possibility(like their chances) of acquiring DH12, it's not fair to grade this moves down..and saying this is not a playoff contender?on a eastern conference where bulls(injured, and possible no drose this season), pacers lossing hibbert to portland?really?..tell me another team that has better overall back-court than the nets?..

they will not get howard. they dont have enough cap. well, hopefully they make it to playoffs.

[benji]

They don't need "cap" to get Howard. They just have to get Orlando and another team to take a package that includes Lopez and Humphries.

[graybakflip]

i dont think they will be a playoff contender.
for me, i think getting johnson with his huge contract and giving that kind of amount is just too much consumption on nets cap space. how will they add big players with their now limited cap.

nets roster move on joe and gerald

c'mon, if those JJ+crash deals would make dwill(the asst GM of nets ) stay, PLUS a possibility(like their chances) of acquiring DH12, it's not fair to grade this moves down..and saying this is not a playoff contender?on a eastern conference where bulls(injured, and possible no drose this season), pacers lossing hibbert to portland?really?..tell me another team that has better overall back-court than the nets?..

they will not get howard. they dont have enough cap. well, hopefully they make it to playoffs.

if that's what your brain is telling you, no big deal..really, brooklyn nets are now being recognized..from being a lottery team, billy king+proky changed that in just about 1-2 years..

[NovU]

Previously buying the team, Russian owner said that he'd pay to become a winner. And it seems he's sticking to his word, but I don't really think now's the time with Joe and Gerald. Are they a playoffs contender now? I'd say it's an interesting experiment sort of like the Knicks.

[air gordon]

what's the guy supposed to do? moving the nets to a new city, he had to make these big moves. if not to sell the fans/media, then to keep deron williams. what is your suggestion for the nets offseason plan?

[NovU]

Were these all necessary for Deron to be kept though? Perhaps, or maybe not. But overpaying two over the hill guys whom we probably already seen their best, I don't think was the best option. But as I said, it's an experiment that's going to be interesting. Even though, my honest opinion would be that they probably should have left the door more opened for Dwight as he specifically been crying out loud for the Nets. That's a legit superstar wanting your team, only.

[killer_cr0ss0ver]

i dont think they will be a playoff contender.
for me, i think getting johnson with his huge contract and giving that kind of amount is just too much consumption on nets cap space. how will they add big players with their now limited cap.

nets roster move on joe and gerald

c'mon, if those JJ+crash deals would make dwill(the asst GM of nets ) stay, PLUS a possibility(like their chances) of acquiring DH12, it's not fair to grade this moves down..and saying this is not a playoff contender?on a eastern conference where bulls(injured, and possible no drose this season), pacers lossing hibbert to portland?really?..tell me another team that has better overall back-court than the nets?..

they will not get howard. they dont have enough cap. well, hopefully they make it to playoffs.

if that's what your brain is telling you, no big deal..really, brooklyn nets are now being recognized..from being a lottery team, billy king+proky changed that in just about 1-2 years..

recognized as what? changed into what?
they havent proven anything yet.

Were these all necessary for Deron to be kept though? Perhaps, or maybe not. But overpaying two over the hill guys whom we probably already seen their best, I don't think was the best option. But as I said, it's an experiment that's going to be interesting. Even though, my honest opinion would be that they probably should have left the door more opened for Dwight as he specifically been crying out loud for the Nets. That's a legit superstar wanting your team, only.

i agree.

[graybakflip]

I believe every move BK(Billy King) made dwill was informed and asked..A Russian owner who nets w/ a MINIMUM of 40M $/day and the acquisition of BK with deron himself made/agreed all of these off-season plans w/ the new city,new arena,new team coming this season..dwill said himself before the acquisition of crash(gwallace) last season that he needs quality veterans/supporting cast w/ high BBIQ, w/c the NJ Nets did'nt have before he resigned w/ them(try to look w/ their previous rooster). BK then turned some of their *trash(petro?ammo?j.williams?j.farmar? c'mon..) into a PROVEN ALLSTAR w/ JJ(Joe never played w/ a great PG w/ the atl, compared before when he was w/ nash in PHX(the main reason why he had this superstar contract) where all he does is catch and shoot open shots, in atl he does almost everything on offense that's why they called him iso-joe) tho clearly his contract is not that good..also add the possibility of acquiring a TOP SUPERSTAR(uhm, dwight?) who clearly wants to play w/ deron in Brooklyn, since last season he never changed his mind of the possibility of going to the nets(and would only resign w/ them as his agent's exact words)..

ok, let's say, if BK didn't trade for crash, they have top6 pick ryt?w/c is still a ROOKIE(so dwill shall wait for him to develop into a lebron type of player?how long?),crash is (NOW)clearly alot more better than that, and is a proven allstar before.. didn't trade for JJ(for those bench players?w/ low BBIQ?petro? really..)..almost everyone in this league are overpaid(see the offer to dragic,lin,etc), you should overpay to get those quality players play for your team, it's a bidding war there..I mean those deals are necessary to make dwill(like other stars) happy and stay w/ brooklyn(see what happened to dallas, they take the gamble but eventually..)

'bout the recognition, this team clearly was the (should i say one of)laughing stock in the NBA after kidd/carter/RJ left them, 12-70 season? and playing in NY(new jersey&new york were just a river away) is like the 2 LA teams(look how clippers changed) and is really difficult, the bad media, empty arena, etc..now that they have a fresh start in brooklyn(no other sports' team there), fans out there are really exited having a team to cheer for. look all of the media when talking about DH12(nets are w/ his name), the resigning of dwill. clearly this team is now being recognized unlike before..

[NovU]

The problem is that I don't see neither of them as a proven all star, but more of borderline at best even when they were at their best. And certainly I would consider them as over the hill players. There are lots of other quality players out there, possibly at cheaper cost. By that, I don't mean they're not improved nor their roster doesn't look respectable. But the cap space isn't appealing anymore. It makes it harder to sign Howard now, which I thought was very important. Certainly not impossible, but I think things could have been better if the moves were smarter. Overall, this is no guarantee team, more like the Knicks than the Heat, whereas the Heat knew what they were getting when they put the team together. But the Nets look more randomly put together, and this is why it's going to be interesting to watch how all this goes down.

Say, what's your projection with their current roster anyways?

[killer_cr0ss0ver]

I believe every move BK(Billy King) made dwill was informed and asked..A Russian owner who nets w/ a MINIMUM of 40M $/day and the acquisition of BK with deron himself made/agreed all of these off-season plans w/ the new city,new arena,new team coming this season..dwill said himself before the acquisition of crash(gwallace) last season that he needs quality veterans/supporting cast w/ high BBIQ, w/c the NJ Nets did'nt have before he resigned w/ them(try to look w/ their previous rooster). BK then turned some of their *trash(petro?ammo?j.williams?j.farmar? c'mon..) into a PROVEN ALLSTAR w/ JJ(Joe never played w/ a great PG w/ the atl, compared before when he was w/ nash in PHX(the main reason why he had this superstar contract) where all he does is catch and shoot open shots, in atl he does almost everything on offense that's why they called him iso-joe) tho clearly his contract is not that good..also add the possibility of acquiring a TOP SUPERSTAR(uhm, dwight?) who clearly wants to play w/ deron in Brooklyn, since last season he never changed his mind of the possibility of going to the nets(and would only resign w/ them as his agent's exact words)..

ok, let's say, if BK didn't trade for crash, they have top6 pick ryt?w/c is still a ROOKIE(so dwill shall wait for him to develop into a lebron type of player?how long?),crash is (NOW)clearly alot more better than that, and is a proven allstar before.. didn't trade for JJ(for those bench players?w/ low BBIQ?petro? really..)..almost everyone in this league are overpaid(see the offer to dragic,lin,etc), you should overpay to get those quality players play for your team, it's a bidding war there..I mean those deals are necessary to make dwill(like other stars) happy and stay w/ brooklyn(see what happened to dallas, they take the gamble but eventually..)

'bout the recognition, this team clearly was the (should i say one of)laughing stock in the NBA after kidd/carter/RJ left them, 12-70 season? and playing in NY(new jersey&new york were just a river away) is like the 2 LA teams(look how clippers changed) and is really difficult, the bad media, empty arena, etc..now that they have a fresh start in brooklyn(no other sports' team there), fans out there are really exited having a team to cheer for. look all of the media when talking about DH12(nets are w/ his name), the resigning of dwill. clearly this team is now being recognized unlike before..

the only money well spent for Brooklyn as of now in terms of hiring players is Dwill's contract. and joe for me is just a good player. and acquiring him with that amount is not a pretty smart financial move for me. Gwallace is too for me overpaid. i like crash, but he's aging and giving that kind of money for me is too much.

I know that they are going on a retooling stage and im excited about that, but when i saw the move on Johnson im like what? overpaid? getting him is good, but with his salary, its just bad financial move for me.
the only team that i think can get Dhoward in player exchange wise is LA. though he's been voicing that he wants Brooklyn, Orl dont want just Lopez, they want more and nets cant give no more aside from humpries, another overpaid.

and every team that wants Dhoward will be recognize. The only recognition the team will gonna get is if they start winning or losing.again. just like bobcat, they are recognized nba worst team.

[graybakflip]

@NovU

I have to agree to some of your points there, bout the borderline thing. maybe you can say that they are declining(stats wise) quality support players, BUT they were not used properly on their previous teams, crash was a 6th/7th/8th man on the blazers rotation,JJ was the only player who can make plays for atl(never played w/ a great PG), he was BEASTING before w/ nash in PHX(ave. like 25pts/game on just spot-up shooting), thus atl offered him this atrocious contract but never got his full potential there(iso-joe). maybe crash won't be an allstar this season but JJ(6th time allstar?), i think he will drastically improve playing next to dwill..about the cap space, they've gambled all of their assets to have their star going to brooklyn w/c is deron, that was just one of their objective w/ or w/o dwight, deron must be a net, adding JJ,crash, and POSSIBLY(still they are the frontrunners) dwight. if your a GM of other teams, you will really feel jealous about that, mainly because of proky..now that jameer returns to ORL, and JJ redick also, it's clearly to say that dwight won't be in ORL this season. There were reports about jameer & dwight having those arguments and even physical contacts(5'6 vs 6'11?) last season, they really dont like playing w/ each other now(mainly because of this dramma DH made)..even crash & dwill approved to take less money on their first years of contract in order to create space for dwight, add also the reduced salary they've offered to mirza(euro best player last season), i know i'm not billy king, but i can say these are works of a very competent GM(for having those chances of acquiring those players)..

it is clearly an insult to say that this isn't a playoff team on a WEAKER(not the heat/boston) eastern conference. rose(out of the season?) and deng is probably out..hibbert might go to portland(made pacers a top 10 in offense & defense last season)..knicks?often injured fire-extinguisher-puncher amare?carmela ball-stopper?goodbye linsanity?(dwill crushed them @MSG all by him self w/ a rookie and humpries?)sixers might amnesty brand and might trade iggy for brand's replacement?..don't wanna jinx it but w/ their line-up of dwill/jj/crash w/ or w/o dwight(watch brook lopez dropped almost 40pt's @mavs) this is team will make some noise this coming season..

[graybakflip]

I believe every move BK(Billy King) made dwill was informed and asked..A Russian owner who nets w/ a MINIMUM of 40M $/day and the acquisition of BK with deron himself made/agreed all of these off-season plans w/ the new city,new arena,new team coming this season..dwill said himself before the acquisition of crash(gwallace) last season that he needs quality veterans/supporting cast w/ high BBIQ, w/c the NJ Nets did'nt have before he resigned w/ them(try to look w/ their previous rooster). BK then turned some of their *trash(petro?ammo?j.williams?j.farmar? c'mon..) into a PROVEN ALLSTAR w/ JJ(Joe never played w/ a great PG w/ the atl, compared before when he was w/ nash in PHX(the main reason why he had this superstar contract) where all he does is catch and shoot open shots, in atl he does almost everything on offense that's why they called him iso-joe) tho clearly his contract is not that good..also add the possibility of acquiring a TOP SUPERSTAR(uhm, dwight?) who clearly wants to play w/ deron in Brooklyn, since last season he never changed his mind of the possibility of going to the nets(and would only resign w/ them as his agent's exact words)..

ok, let's say, if BK didn't trade for crash, they have top6 pick ryt?w/c is still a ROOKIE(so dwill shall wait for him to develop into a lebron type of player?how long?),crash is (NOW)clearly alot more better than that, and is a proven allstar before.. didn't trade for JJ(for those bench players?w/ low BBIQ?petro? really..)..almost everyone in this league are overpaid(see the offer to dragic,lin,etc), you should overpay to get those quality players play for your team, it's a bidding war there..I mean those deals are necessary to make dwill(like other stars) happy and stay w/ brooklyn(see what happened to dallas, they take the gamble but eventually..)

'bout the recognition, this team clearly was the (should i say one of)laughing stock in the NBA after kidd/carter/RJ left them, 12-70 season? and playing in NY(new jersey&new york were just a river away) is like the 2 LA teams(look how clippers changed) and is really difficult, the bad media, empty arena, etc..now that they have a fresh start in brooklyn(no other sports' team there), fans out there are really exited having a team to cheer for. look all of the media when talking about DH12(nets are w/ his name), the resigning of dwill. clearly this team is now being recognized unlike before..

again. just like bobcat, they are recognized nba worst team.

ok, my goal is not to change other peoples mindset w/ this current nets team, my point is about better information about this tea. But let's see who's gonna eat crows this coming season..bobcats=brooklyn nets?