X's Hypothetical Draft Do-overs *1984 Posted*

[Lamrock]

Nooooooo! Not the last one!

I knew you were going to have Akeem at #1. Should have picked Jordan though.

[The X]

John Stockton would become & one of the top 5 PG's of All-Time

Top five? There were better point guards not 6-9?

Although Dennis Rodman is probably best available, the high octane Warriors don't want a defensive minded player (as much as they might need one), so they'll look for the best offensive player available

So, they'd still take Rodman? I think we're forgetting Rodman's earlier career, where he shot above 56% five times in six years. Including 61% in back to back years. Over his entire career he led the league in offensive rebounding seven times and finished second three other times.

Person averaged a lot of points because he used twice as many possessions, often 24% or more. That 1986 Warriors team already had Short and Carroll jacking up shots above that rate, with Floyd, Teagle and Mullin all over 21%. The team was 21st out of 23 on defense. (They finished the same place on offense and defense in both 1986 and 1987.)

A combination of Larry Smith and Dennis Rodman on the offensive glass? Far better than a lousy gunner who couldn't and wouldn't play defense even if he could.

I'd easily take Hornacek over both Person and Harper.

yep, that Rifleman pick doesn't seem as good as when I wrote it, although I was tired at the time....it was a stretch, that's for sure I blame Andrew, his famous jinx worked on my re-drafts after he started posting his....subconsciously his were probably in the back of my mind but you're right, I probably underrated Horny a tad....as for Rodman, I guess I didn't understand all those stats on the basketball reference site as much as you and yes, I probably was forgetting Rodman's earlier career....

as for Stockton, yes, I would probably rate him as my number 2 of All-Time, but he's a personal fav....I hadn't taken a full reflective look back to gauge my exact standing on him, so that's why I just said one of my top 5....note that I didn't say he wasn't top 3

i can't wait for the Bob Cousy draft and my Tri Cities Blackhawks.

I'd be 30 by the time I got to that one

Nooooooo! Not the last one!

I knew you were going to have Akeem at #1. Should have picked Jordan though.

I may have another project up my sleeve in the future, but for now, yes, it's done....maybe if I get motivation to continue, I will....

as for MJ over Hakeem, I'm still waiting for Rockets' fans to turn up & tell me otherwise

[BabyLoc]

I would take Dream over MJ


P.S. I'm a Rockets fan

[Andrew]

There's your answer, X.

[The X]

luvin' it

[Sauru]

cant say i would see any reason to pass on jordan, need or not he is the best ever you keep him and trade whoever is in his way

[bowdown]

hello please noone else replies to my question for 2 days so asking here.
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[Lamrock]

Stop posting things in the wrong forum you worthless piece of shit.

[deihatein]

Stop posting things in the wrong forum you worthless piece of shit.

[bowdown]

Stop posting things in the wrong forum you worthless piece of shit.

Shut the fuck up there are so many freakin forums that its hard to get an answer fucktard

[Its_asdf]

Stop raging over something pointless, Lamrock. It's not going to magically make thing better by getting your panties in a bunch over a new poster who isn't really accustomed to how things are run at the NLSC. Lamrock does have a point that your posting your problem in the wrong forum/thread though.


MJ and Drexler on the same team... That would be a hell of a swingman tandem to watch.

[Lamrock]

Why can't he just get banned? Half of his posts are breaking the rules, and he has been corrected enough times to know this. He is refusing to change.

MJ works for Houston both for need and because he is arguably the best player in NBA History. Sure, two titles in the brief Jordan-less era is nice, but compared to six, and the team getting national recognition?

[shadowgrin]

Take it easy lamrock. As long as he's still here just think of it this way:

[The X]

bowdown, stay on topic of thread or post somewhere else....I put a bit of effort into this thread so don't want to see it turn into a joke....cheers....

[Lamrock]

Bump! Loved this thread back in the day. Was thinking about the 2006 draft (My favorite draft as a Blazers fan as well as the first I was knowledgeable about beforehand), and decided to do my re-do. Here goes nothing:

1. Toronto Raptors: SG Brandon Roy (Real pick: Andrea Bargnani)
As much as I love Roy, Rajon Rondo has definitely been the better player. However, at the time, the Raptors has one of the league's best point guard tandems. Barring a freak TJ Ford injury, things would have remained that way. Anthony Parker was a nice player for the Raptors, but Roy-Bosh would have been one of the best star tandems in the league.

2. Portland Trailblazers [via Chicago]: PG Rajon Rondo (Real pick: LaMarcus Aldridge)
We don't get our guy Roy, so we settle for budding superstar Rajon Rondo. This pick somewhat makes up for passing on Deron Williams and Chris Paul for bust Martell Webster and shores up the position for the next decade. Roy's fantastic, but I certainly would not mind seeing Rajon Rondo wearing the black and red.

3. Charlotte Bobcats: PF LaMarcus Aldridge (Real Pick: Adam Morrison)
Rather than wasting their pick on the 'stache, the Bobcats take LaMarcus Aldridge, the underachieving but talented power forward. He and Okafor would form a solid frontcourt, and the 'Cats don't have to deal their #3 pick for Vladimir Radmanovic. I imagine these current Bobcats' offensive woes would be lessened by Aldridge's presence.

4. Chicago Bulls [via Portland]: PF Paul Millsap (Real pick: Tyrus Thomas)
To this day, the Bulls have been searching for a starting caliber power forward. With Aldridge off the board, enter Paul Millsap. He's a solid fringe all-star PF, and would have made these Bulls a far better team.

5. Atlanta Hawks: SF Rudy Gay (Real pick: Shelden Williams)
Gay is actually a bit of a bust (the Grizzlies refuse to acknowledge this fact), but he moves up in such a weak draft. Gay is an upgrade over Marvin Williams, and unlike The Landlord, would actually bring something to the table. If he doesn't work out, deal him for Mike Bibby.

6. Portland Trailblazers [via Minnesota]: Andrea Bargnani (Real pick: Brandon Roy)
Roy and Aldridge are off the board, but there is still a jump-shooting power forward left. Bargnani is a great fit for Nate's system, and could have been Aldridge with more range and worse defense. Bargs isn't an all-star caliber player, but here he's the best available talent.

7. Minnesota Timberwolves [via Portland via Boston]: Kyle Lowry (Real pick: Randy Foye)
Lowry is a very solid spark plug point guard, who is better than Foye offensively and worlds better defensively. Lowry isn't a star, nor would have have kept KG in Minnesota, but he's starting caliber, and his presence may have prevented the awful Mike James signing and/or the drafting of multiple point guards.

8. Memphis Grizzlies: JJ Redick [via Houston] (Real pick: Rudy Gay)
With Gay off the board, the trade likely doesn't happen. Redick doesn't really become good until his fourth season, but he's better than OJ Mayo, and with Pau still a Grizzly, a better fit than Ty Thomas.

9. Golden State Warriors: Tyrus Thomas (Real pick: Patrick O'Bryant)
I actually love Thomas here. He is a great fit in Nellie's system (if he's going to succeed anywhere...), and would instantly become the team's best defensive player. Thomas as a lot of red flags on and off the court, but he is by far the best player available, and may have prevented the drafting of Brandan Wrong (remember him?).

10. Seattle Supersonics: Josh Boone (Real pick: Mohamed Sene)
They wanted a Center, so they drafted one. Unfortunately, the one they drafted was dogshit. Boone is a very solid Center, who unlike Swift or Sene, would actually be able to bring something of value to the team. He'd be the best Center on this current Thunder team.

11. Orlando Magic: Jordan Farmar (Real pick: JJ Redick)
JJ Redick is off the board, and there isn't much talent left in the draft pool. Farmar is a solid defender and three-point shooter, and would be a fantastic long-term backup for the oft-injured Jameer Nelson.

12. New Orleans: Thabo Sefolosha (Real pick: Hilton Armstrong)
Better than any swingman the Hornets ever have in the CP3 era. He's very limited offensively, but might be effective next to Paul, and is a very good defender. He beats Rasual Butler and Morris Peterson's corpse any day.

13. Chicago [via Philadelphia]: Ronnie Brewer (Real pick: Thabo Sefolosha)
The only player of value left on the board. Would only see minutes as the backup 2 (or 10 MPG starting SG) until Noce was dealt, but he's a solid player on both ends.

14. Utah: Shelden Williams (Real pick: Ronnie Brewer)
The landlord's career got off to a slow start, but he's a solid back up big man. With Millsap no longer available, he figures to be Boozer's backup.

"Tough"est Omissions: Leon Powe, Craig Smith, Adam Morrison, Daniel Gibson, Shannon Brown
BIggest Flops Adam Morrison, Patrick O'Bryant Mohamed Sene

[Andrew]

You've got the second and fourth picks around the wrong way. The Bulls had the second pick via the Knicks, which they used to select Aldridge. The Blazers then selected Thomas fourth, then they made the trade. So the Bulls should still be picking second. Other than that, nice job.

[benji]

Along those lines to note:

8. Memphis Grizzlies: JJ Redick [via Houston] (Real pick: Rudy Gay)
With Gay off the board, the trade likely doesn't happen.

So then it's Houston's pick.

with Pau still a Grizzly, a better fit than Ty Thomas.

So the Swift/Redick for Battier trade does happen?

may have prevented the drafting of Brandan Wrong (remember him?).

He's one of those many potential all-stars Golden State has injured or languishing behind superstars like Radmanovic. He's still only 22.

12. New Orleans: Thabo Sefolosha (Real pick: Hilton Armstrong)
Better than any swingman the Hornets ever have in the CP3 era. He's very limited offensively, but might be effective next to Paul, and is a very good defender. He beats Rasual Butler and Morris Peterson's corpse any day.

13. Chicago [via Philadelphia]: Ronnie Brewer (Real pick: Thabo Sefolosha)
The only player of value left on the board. Would only see minutes as the backup 2 (or 10 MPG starting SG) until Noce was dealt, but he's a solid player on both ends.

I'd flip these, as Brewer is a step-down defensively but actually useful on offense.

[Andrew]

Come to think of it, the 13th pick also belonged to the Sixers outright, with Sefolosha's rights later being traded for Rodney Carney after the Bulls took him with the 16th pick.

[The X]

Looking back, it looks like I had too much faith in Darko

[Lamrock]

Slow day. Here's a re-do of a recent draft (full effects still won't be seen for a couple years). It was a pretty deep one, with several probable all-stars. I continue to hijack The X's old thread with Lamrock's 2008 draft do-over:

1. Chicago - Kevin Love (Real pick: Derrick Rose)
If you've been a member here long, you may know that I'm not the biggest Derrick Rose fan. I thought his all-star appearance was a sham, and that while he improved late last season, he's not much of a difference maker, and was not worthy of the #1 pick. Though he's less marketable than Rose, and would have likely meant no Carlos Boozer, Love would have been the best pick for the Bulls in my opinion. He's been the best player in the draft (despite playing for the Wolves), and I expect him to become a superstar. Noah-Love would be a killer frontcourt.

2. Miami - Brook Lopez (Real pick: Michael Beasley)
Imagine the Miami Thrice with Brook Lopez playing at the 5. From unstoppable to unstoppable-r, Lopez has easily been the second best player from the draft so far, and it was shocking to see a center of his caliber fall so far in the draft.

3. Memphis - Derrick Rose (Real pick: OJ Mayo)
A bit of a no-brainer. Adding former Memphis Tiger, Derrick Rose to the mix would not only do wonders for the attendance, but also give them a legit starting point guard, which they lack to this day.

4. Oklahoma City - Russell Westbrook (Real pick: Russell Westbrook)
He had a pretty rough start to his rookie season offensively, and still has work to be done, but its hard to fault this pick. Westbrook is a great #2 to Kevin Durant, and has potential to be something special.

5. Minnesota - Nicolas Batum (Real pick: Kevin Love
The Wolves miss out on Love, so they instead fill their need at the 3 with potential superstar and current star role player Nic Batum. Batum is a similar player to 2007 selection Corey Brewer, but the primary difference between the two is that Batum is actually good.

6. New York - Danilo Gallinari (Real pick: Danilo Gallinari
Difficult pick to make, but Gallo is panning out to be a pretty good player. His lack of D is an issue, but he's a phenomenal shooter, who at the worst, will help the Knicks bring in an established star (so they can lose to the Heat in the conference semis every year)

7. LA Clippers - Eric Gordon (Real pick: Eric Gordon
He regressed slightly last season and doesn't have the highest ceiling, but Gordon has been one of the few bright spots for the Clips these past couple years, and should be their starting 2 guard for years to come.

8. Milwaukee - Anthony Randolph (Real pick: Joe Alexander)
The Bucks wanted a project combo forward with star potential and freakish athleticism. They picked the wrong one. Randolph is injury prone, sensitive, underweight and is a fairly inefficient offensive player. However, despite being dicked around by the Warriors, he's averaged 17/11/2.5 blocks per36 and managed respectable defensive ratings on two of Don Nelson's worst teams.

9. Charlotte - O.J. Mayo (Real pick: DJ Augustin)
DJ Augustin was a horrible pick, despite his promising rookie season. The Bobcats needed scoring in the worst way possible, and despite being fairly inefficient, Mayo provides that. With Mayo, the 'Cats probably wouldn't have needed to acquire Stephen Jackson, and Mayo still has potential to become a very good player.

10. New Jersey - Roy Hibbert (Real pick: Brook Lopez
New Jersey made a great pick, acquiring a major steal in Lopez. With him off the board, the Nets get a nice consolation prize in center Roy Hibbert. Hibbert continues to improve, and could become a top 10 center in the league.

11. Indiana - George Hill (Real pick: Brandon Rush)
The Pacers didn't know that TJ Ford was broken prior to acquiring him, which makes the Rush acquisition slightly more palatable. However, the Pacers were in need of a legit point guard, and George Hill is it. Hill's a great player, and it was tempting to put him higher. He's a good fit here though.

12. Sacramento - Serge Ibaka (Real pick: Jason Thompson)
I don't really know what the Kings saw in Thompson, but he hasn't quite panned out. Ibaka would have been a better selection, as he could develop into the perfect frontcourt partner for Demarcus Cousins.

13. Portland - Jerryd Bayless (Real pick: Jerryd Bayless
After an atrocious rookie season, Bayless is starting to look like the guy many touted to be a top 5 prospect. If he continues to improve his jump shot and defense, he should be the perfect PG to have next to Roy. Please don't trade him, Cho!

14. Golden State - J.J. Hickson (Real pick: Anthony Randolph)
The Warriors would have probably taken Hickson had Randolph not fallen to 14, and for good reason. Hickson's a good player, who would be a good fit in the Warriors' system.

Toughest Omissions: Marreese Speights, Luc Mbah a Moute, Courtney Lee, Javale McGee, Goran Dragic

Criticize away! Note: To make it easier for myself, I assumed that all draft day deals happened.

[Andrew]

I still thinking calling Rose's honours thus far a "sham" is a bit much (though this is the Internet where anything that isn't perfect is automatically terrible or awful, so I'll forgive the hyperbole), though it's good to see you didn't drop him out of the lottery completely.

[Martti.]

Beasley fell out of the lottery?

[Lamrock]

Yeah, he's a pretty bad player.

[hova-]

I don't see Love ever becoming a superstar. That's going a bit too far. You will certainly come up with all those usage percentages and true shot etc etc., but he is a guy who does not have what it needs to lead a team. Maybe he is efficient as hell, but that does not make you a superstar. Unless he posts 20/10 next season and the Wolves improve by 15-20 wins I don't think you're right.

[Lamrock]

Meh, the Wolves won't improve by 15-20 wins because their squad is arguably worse than last season's (if that's possible). Hard to expect a few more minutes a game for love would make the Wolves a 30 win team.

20-10 probably won't happen, but 20-15 is certainly a possibility, since he averaged nearly 18-14 per 36 minutes last year.