Mock Draft Thread

by **StockaloneDuoLove** on Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:51 am

Kinda hard for me to believe that Miami will stay with Marion, Wade, and Beasley.

They could really use a big, and are probably going to trade J.Will's overrated ass away. Can't really see Marion staying there either...

Hell, even Wade could go. I think that right now would be the right time to shop Wade... they could get a whole lot for him. (Possibly to Chicago?)

by **Jeffx** on Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:05 am

GoHornets wrote:They drafted him because of D'antoni. He played with Gallinari's father in Europe, and he can fit well in Knicks "new style".
So this pick was meant to be.

"New style" means no defense and losing games 128-125.

by **Sauru** on Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:25 am

why would they trade wade? right now would be the worst time to get real value for him, unless he keeps getting injured, then you are right and now is the time. i however think wade will bounce back and if you trade him now you are shooting yourself in the leg. if anyone thinks beasley by himself is going to bring miami anywhere they are crazy. a wade beasley combo could be amazing however.

i think miami will shop marion but they might not get any takers til around the deadline when he becomes an expiring

by **StockaloneDuoLove** on Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:37 am

Sauru wrote:why would they trade wade? right now would be the worst time to get real value for him, unless he keeps getting injured, then you are right and now is the time. i however think wade will bounce back and if you trade him now you are shooting yourself in the leg. if anyone thinks beasley by himself is going to bring miami anywhere they are crazy. a wade beasley combo could be amazing however.

i think miami will shop marion but they might not get any takers til around the deadline when he becomes an expiring

You can't guarantee Beasley. He has attitude problems and no rookie is proven in the NBA until he actually steps on the court. Miami is a team that has practically no bench, a terrible point guard, and Blount at center... Zo ain't coming back either.

Trading Wade now will get Miami a whole lot of decent talent for one guy. They could get the PG they need, the C they need, and even some bench talent. (Maybe even a draft pick or two as well)

A lineup consisting of a solid PG, Davis, Marion, Beasley, and a solid C sounds more compelling than having to sit through J.Will turnovers while Blount gets overpowered by practically every center in the league at the post.

Marion's expiring contract also opens free agency options. Miami is a rebuilding team. They do not have a chance to go far even if they keep Wade. They will NOT beat teams such as Detroit, Boston, Orlando, or Toronto.

At times you just have to let go of your superstar for the sake of the franchise. I'm sure that Wade is frustrated enough playing in Miami as it is. Getting a solid core is more important than one superstar, no matter how many people say that the NBA is a league that's based on superstar talent.

They are better off having Marion (or a decent SF/SG they trade him for) sharing the spotlight than Wade.

by **benji** on Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:47 am

Trading Wade now will get Miami a whole lot of decent talent for one guy. They could get the PG they need, the C they need, and even some bench talent.

While losing the superstar that makes the team competitive.

Where exactly are they going to get these young and good point guards and centers? And why would you ever keep Ricky Davis, Jason Williams, Mark Blount and deal out Dwayne Wade?

Your scenario is basically building about Beasley (Davis and Marion are not long term prospects, and Davis is someone nobody should ever build around, let alone put on the court for extended minutes) despite you saying:

You can't guarantee Beasley. He has attitude problems and no rookie is proven in the NBA until he actually steps on the court.

Get the rotation right, add in a healthy Wade, and I don't see how this can't be a 35-40 win team immediately. With or without Beasley. There are worse positions to be in than to have two superstars and a third potential one.

by **Sauru** on Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:47 am

all i am saying is you cannot get equal value for wade no matter how many players you try to get in return. wade is a rare talent that you hold onto, its not like the heat have sucked for ever and a day now, they just won the championship what 2 years ago? another thing is last season was clearly a tank season, i see them coming back this season, sure they wont beat boston or detroit like you said but i see no reason why they cant compete with toronto or any other team in the east.

by **StockaloneDuoLove** on Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:04 am

Hell, I'd trade Wade to the Bulls for Kirk, Thomas, and a couple of other guys and picks any day.

You cannot simply build a franchise around one player.

Having a couple of solid players will help them out even more. I'm not saying build around Beasley, or Marion... just have a good core of guys. Look at the Pistons, none of those players are complete superstars (Rip being the closest one to the title though), yet they have an extremely balanced core.

I'd rather have a balanced core like that than a complete and utter weakness at the 1 and 5 like the Heat do if they keep Wade.

by **Lamrock** on Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:06 am

The defending champions have a complete and utter weakness at the 1 and 5. :lol:

by **StockaloneDuoLove** on Sat Jun 28, 2008 6:13 am

lamrock. wrote:The defending champions have a complete and utter weakness at the 1 and 5.

Yeah, but they also bought themselves 2 desperately hungry basketball gods and an extremely solid bench...

by **Cartar** on Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:01 am

BTW, I´ve heard that Mourning is coming back for one more season, not very sure that happens, but I´ll hope.

by **StockaloneDuoLove** on Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:10 am

Yes... because every NBA team could use that Eric Snow type "player coach".

by **Sauru** on Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:24 am

StockaloneDuoLove wrote:Hell, I'd trade Wade to the Bulls for Kirk, Thomas, and a couple of other guys and picks any day.

You cannot simply build a franchise around one player.

Having a couple of solid players will help them out even more. I'm not saying build around Beasley, or Marion... just have a good core of guys. Look at the Pistons, none of those players are complete superstars (Rip being the closest one to the title though), yet they have an extremely balanced core.

I'd rather have a balanced core like that than a complete and utter weakness at the 1 and 5 like the Heat do if they keep Wade.

you are not winning without a star player and thats that. if you want a rounded team that will give you endless first round exits then so be it but personally that would drive me crazy

by **el badman** on Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:28 am

you are not winning without a star player and thats that. if you want a rounded team that will give you endless first round exits then so be it but personally that would drive me crazy

True, although I'm not sure you could really find a "star" player in the Detoit team in 2004 for example. I believe Billups ended up MVP, but really the entire team was just very deserving overall.

by **BigKaboom2** on Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:57 am

Billups, Ben Wallace, and Hamilton were 27th, 35th, and 38th in PER that season respectively for players logging over 2500 minutes.

What exactly do they need to do to become "star" players anyway?

by **Sauru** on Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:26 am

the lakers pretty much did them selves in that season

by **StockaloneDuoLove** on Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:56 am

Sauru wrote:
StockaloneDuoLove wrote:Hell, I'd trade Wade to the Bulls for Kirk, Thomas, and a couple of other guys and picks any day.

You cannot simply build a franchise around one player.

Having a couple of solid players will help them out even more. I'm not saying build around Beasley, or Marion... just have a good core of guys. Look at the Pistons, none of those players are complete superstars (Rip being the closest one to the title though), yet they have an extremely balanced core.

I'd rather have a balanced core like that than a complete and utter weakness at the 1 and 5 like the Heat do if they keep Wade.

you are not winning without a star player and thats that. if you want a rounded team that will give you endless first round exits then so be it but personally that would drive me crazy

Well yeah, you usually do need a star player, I'm not arguing that.

All I'm really saying is that it would be nice for a team to get away from that equation and play some balanced ball.

by **Sauru** on Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:09 am

aint that the truth, however, the way a game is reffed forces teams to uses superstars

by **The X** on Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:12 am

okay, I'm awake now, hangover is been & gone, such is the NBA Draft....some thoughts....

hate to see it, but Heat did great on Draft, Beasley AND Chalmers....can't believe Chalmers fell that far....I thought for sure that Spurs would take him....smartest thing Heat did was not draft Mayo, that would've been an epic mistake....

once again Portland came out of Draft smelling like roses, picking up Bayless, who projects to start season as a 7th or 8th man, as backup combo guard for Brandon Roy & Steve Blake....he might eventually get starting spot, but I think he starts season on bench like most rookies....

great job for Minnesota to get rid of Mayo & get Love & Miller in the deal....Mayo in Minnesota was never going to work....shame they couldn't have got Lowry or a PG in deal, but they'll eventually plug that spot up....

big surprise for me in lottery was Westbrook at 4 to Seattle....I'm not sold on him that high....

everybody, including me, loves Joe Alexander....apart from playing at West Virginia (Y)

he seems like a good guy who will get along with Bogut as he wants to win....once Jefferson trade went down, I thought Alexander might fall a few spots, but once Westbrook was off the draft board, it seemed like Alexander would go to Bucks....

was glad that DeAndre Jordan didn't go in 1st Round, it's good to see teams are slowly starting to learn their lessons....thought McGee might go a little lower....was smack bang on with Donte Greene falling to Houston (via trades, but still)....a bit shocked to see CDR & Chalmers fall out of 1st Round, but they'll both be on NBA teams come October....as for Jawai, I thought he would go in 35-40 range, so I wasn't too far off....

overall, a good drunken Draft....although definitely no Draft drinking games next year (N)

by **StockaloneDuoLove** on Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:16 am

How would you play a draft drinking game? Drink every time you miss a pick? That could lead to very short night with this draft.

Jordan's agent didn't let teams with picks in the 20s work him out... big big big mistake right there. That's one agent that should be out of a job forever...

Sauru wrote:aint that the truth, however, the way a game is reffed forces teams to uses superstars

That makes little sense, yet English is probably not your first language so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

by **The X** on Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:26 am

StockaloneDuoLove wrote:How would you play a draft drinking game? Drink every time you miss a pick? That could lead to very short night with this draft.

Finish your vessel if the Knicks' fans boo their pick - big mistake that we had grabbed new drinks just before their picks....
Finish your vessel if they rave about Joe Alexander's "freakish athleticism" - it happened....
Single scull for each time Jay Bilas uses any term to do with long arms, ie. "wingspan", "length", "long arms"
Double scull for each time Jay Bilas uses the term "freakishly long" with "arms" or "wingspan"
Alternate sculls for the word "potential"

It all went downhill after the 6 & 8 picks :lol:

by **StockaloneDuoLove** on Sat Jun 28, 2008 10:28 am

Heh, that's a pretty good one right there.

I like the Knick fan one... pretty much guaranteed to drink there.

by **airBerlin** on Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:10 am

Single scull for each time Jay Bilas uses any term to do with long arms, ie. "wingspan", "length", "long arms"
Double scull for each time Jay Bilas uses the term "freakishly long" with "arms" or "wingspan"

"Arms that seem to go on forever" (or something like that...) was being tossed around quite a bit.

by **Indy** on Sat Jun 28, 2008 11:35 am

ESPN should fire everyone involved with yesterday's draft coverage. (Except Van Gundy, I love Van Gundy)

Bilas on Gordon:

He's a scoring scorer. He scores like most scorers can score, and when he gets in to the league one thing is for sure- he will score. I would have to label Gordon as a scorer and lastly, he will find a way to score in the NBA.

Stephen A. Smith to every single player he interviewed:
How will *insert team here* do next year with you on board. (After answer is a politically correct one) Aw come on, give me a prediction.

Also he asked just about everyone up there if they could play point guard.

Then theres Stuart Scott:
They have a semi-decent player already named LeBron James.

They drafted a semi-decent player in Isiah Thomas last time they picked a guy from Indiana.

That Garnett is decent at the game of basketball.

And on and on and on. You are not funny Stuart Scott, not funny at all.

by **benji** on Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:06 pm

People still expect quality coverage of things from media entities?

Having a couple of solid players will help them out even more... just have a good core of guys.

How has ESPN not snapped you up?

Look at the Pistons, none of those players are complete superstars

Billups? One of the greatest offensive players in the league the last three years?

No. You don't need a media-recognized star. But you do need good players who wins games. Trading a superstar who wins games like Dwayne Wade, just to make the team more balanced by getting an average point guard and center back (everyones average!) for Wade and Marion doesn't make the Heat better.

by **BigKaboom2** on Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:22 pm

StockaloneDuoLove wrote:
Sauru wrote:aint that the truth, however, the way a game is reffed forces teams to uses superstars

That makes little sense, yet English is probably not your first language so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

9.8/10

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