Obama vs. McCain

[BIG GREEN]

Unless you've been living under the proverbial rock you know that us democrats have our nominee. He is now the first ever African-american major party nominee in American history. I expect the largest showing of voters in US history and I thuroughly hope that Barack becomes our new leader barring a successful asassination attempt (many will be attempted). It would certainly help if he names Hillary/Bill as his running mate. I don't think this country can survive another Bush term as McCain seems to have the exact same opinions and policies as the current president. It's time for a change and it's time for America to once again garner some respect from the world and for this recession to end.

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Discuss.

[Joe']

Did Hillary actually drop out? I was watching the news today and heard if she doesn't drop out, Obama can't technically be considered the democrats' nominee.

I know the article says she'll suspend her campaign on Saturday, but does that mean she'll end her race (drop out) on Saturday or did she already drop out?

May be a stupid question but I don't know anything whatsoever about US politics.

[[Q]]

she supposedly will wait til the end of the week, but it doesn't matter. Obama already has enough votes to get the nomination.

[Patr1ck]

I don't like any of the three candidates. Although, if Obama can live up to what he sais, then I hope it's him.

[Sauru]

its my opinion i am fucked either way, i think both of them will suck. i said this last election too with bush and kerry. wtf is up with all these piece of shit candidates?

anyway to answer the question, no matter how much i will hate it i will have to vote for mccain

[[Q]]

then who or what would you suggest?

[Gundy]

Ron Paul in '12 if he doesn't die.

Obama is most likely going to win.

[Lamrock]

I can't wait until benji shows up, and talks about how a Dick-tatorship would be better than an Obama presidency.

[cyanide]

Isn't Hillary using her campaign and her votes as a bargaining chip to put pressure on Obama in taking her as vice president? There's talk about that, but I have no clue if that's the case.

[benji]

it's time for America to once again garner some respect from the world and for this recession to end.

Lulz, when have the chattering classes ever respected America? And when did this recession start? When GDP growth has never become negative since 2001?

Did Hillary actually drop out? I was watching the news today and heard if she doesn't drop out, Obama can't technically be considered the democrats' nominee.

I know the article says she'll suspend her campaign on Saturday, but does that mean she'll end her race (drop out) on Saturday or did she already drop out?

May be a stupid question but I don't know anything whatsoever about US politics.

Of course she'll "suspend" her campaign, there are no more primaries, thus no "campaign." Obama is only the nominee if Hillary cannot find a way to deny him at the convention.

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Sauru's sentiments are all too right (although I quibble with his implication that there were ever "good" candidates...especially in the modern era) and both will continue this country down the same path. Obama offers it tommorrow, Johm McCain will give it to "[his] friends" next Tuesday.

They both despise the Constitution. Both are moralistic authoritarians wishing to be treated as our political saviours. Both have media-constructed personas ("Messiah" vs. "Maverick") that have created cults of personality around them. Obama is clearly a massive idiot, right? (Just imagine if Bush said the things he does...57 states, ten thousand dead, "states in the middle", etc.) Neither Obama, nor Johm McCain have any intention to save us from such debacles and crimes as Social Security and its ilk.

Johm McCain is better because he wants to cannibalize us less and feigns desiring to reverse that, he also seems to better understand that actions have consequences. But that's not a reason to support him or encourage increases in his power.

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." et. al

[BIG GREEN]

then who or what would you suggest?

I wanna re-iterate this question to both benji and saurumon.

[el badman]

I certainly hope Obama wins this. He'll obviously not be able to live up to all the promises made, but he'd still be a gazillion times more efficient than that old fart. Hopefully Americans will not repeat the same mistake.

[Sauru]

I certainly hope Obama wins this. He'll obviously not be able to live up too all the promises made, but he'd still be a gazillion times more efficient than that old fart. Hopefully Americans will not repeat the same mistake.

obama lacks any experience at all and mccain sucks for all his own reasons. the country wont get better either way, not for the class i fit into anyway

[BIG GREEN]

What class is that?

[benji]

but he'd still be a gazillion times more efficient than that old fart. Hopefully Americans will not repeat the same mistake.

That's what makes him scary incompetent, unlike the Junior Senator from Massachusetts who was just laughably incompetent.

He'll obviously not be able to live up to all the promises made,

Although, if Obama can live up to what he sais, then I hope it's him.

What exactly is he promising?

then who or what would you suggest?

Not quite sure I understand. From the failed class of 2008? From history?

What class is that?

American citizen.

[Sauru]

What class is that?

lower

[el badman]

el badman wrote:
He'll obviously not be able to live up to all the promises made,

Quote:
Although, if Obama can live up to what he sais, then I hope it's him.

What exactly is he promising?

I'm pretty sure you know exactly what he's promising as far as social security, healthcare, homeland security, etc., no need to test us.

[shadowgrin]

What exactly is he promising?

"Yes we can!" ?

[benji]

I'm interested in what other people think he's promising. All I hear is more and more cannibalization and Constitution shredding.

[el badman]

I knew that was coming.
I won't get into this, never goes anywhere...

[Sauru]

finally i find myself on benji's side in a debate

[benji]

:lol: I knew that was coming.

Because I had said it earlier in the thread?

[el badman]

No, it's more about the "Constitution shredding" that seems like a leitmotiv with you when referring to any Democrat candidate.
That or "neo-fascim"...Just a deja vu.

[benji]

I also included Johm McCain in it?

both will continue this country down the same path. Obama offers it tommorrow, Johm McCain will give it to "[his] friends" next Tuesday.

They both despise the Constitution. Both are moralistic authoritarians wishing to be treated as our political saviours. Both have media-constructed personas ("Messiah" vs. "Maverick") that have created cults of personality around them.

Not my fault more Democrats do it than Republicans (99.9% vs. 99.5%...every single primary Democrat, while Republicans had Thompson and Paul).

it's more about the "Constitution shredding" that seems like a leitmotiv with you

Get them to stop doing it and I'll stop talking about it.

[BIG GREEN]

What are you refering to as constitution shredding? Supporting gay marriages might be one?