Matthew, BigKaboom2 and friends:An NLSC Love Story

[BigKaboom2]

I only make comments about the people posting them? You're delusional.

Why am I delusional?

Go read that thread again.

What should I be looking for if I decide to do so?

Which is something he has done numerous times since then. Why do you think I call him hypercritical and say he contradicts himself?

Where did he state the obvious? Pointing out Lebron's stats to someone who didn't think he was worthy of MVP consideration?

You think arguing if Lebron James is a legitimate MVP candidate is not a waste of time? Or if Kevin Garnett is a better defender then Jordan Farmer is also not a waste of time? Please. They're worthless.

I do believe they're wastes of time, hence why I don't come here too often anymore. However, the threads can sometimes be parlayed into legitimate discussions if people are questioned about their opinions.

Blame your buddy for that.

My buddy? Blame? I didn't view it as a bad thing at the time, nor do I view it as one now, hence there is no necessity for blame.

[Matthew]

Exactly! I didn't give a shit about that topic either. It's a really dumb topic.

[BigKaboom2]

You obviously must have cared...you posted in it many times. Why do you keep inventing ways to cop out of actually defending yourself? I've already pointed out that your only defenses have been ad hominem in nature but you continue to do it as if I don't understand what's going on.

[cyanide]

Cyanide, I have no idea what you're getting at.

Just basically trying to make a point for Matthew that there's a difference between stating the obvious and using "obvious" stats to support an argument. Your quote hit the nail in the head, and I purposely repeated it to drive it home. Unfortunately, I wasn't clear enough

[MANIPON]

I love how Kobe fanatics not only denigrate the Lakers team, but they also constantly fall back on saying "you hate Kobe because your favorite player is worse" and "Kobe is the best, there cannot be an argument." They also seem to feel like they need to insult Chris Paul and LeBron James personally to make themselves feel better.

I'm still waiting for the evidence from someone that Kobe deserved the MVP award for what he did this season. If there is a reason Kobe deserved it, then make the case, don't just declare "no arguments" and insult everyone.

you really love it?..

i think you should go watch nba on tv to see it for yourself..don't rely on nba live that much..

[benji]

Yes, I do love it. I love ad hominem and other evidence of lacking logically valid arguments.

But what if I watched the NBA on TV and saw Chris Paul being the MVP? Or Darko Milicic? What if I watched the NBA in person and saw these things?

When did "watch it and you will see" suddenly become an acceptable form of argument? Or declaring "no arguments" as the only support of your claims? Or calling people haters or "kids"?

Is the case for Kobe as MVP so lacking that it is near impossible to come up with one without making things up or demanding no argument?

[hova-]

- MVP numbers: 28.3 PPg / 6.3 RPG / 5.4 APG / 1.8 SPG / .45% FG / .36% 3PTFG

- not far away from career highs in RPG, 3PTFG, SPG, 3PT FG Made

- 82 games played, 82 games started, 38 MPG

- Lakers had the best regular season record

These are some pretty good arguments you just have to accept considering the MVP selection. I am no Kobe fan. I would have loved to see CP3 taking home the trophy. But you cannot really argue with the fact that Kobe now has one in his showcase.

And Benji as you always say. It is an award that is determined by the media. So why even care about "arguments" as the media is surely not only resorting to "convincing arguments".

[Cartar]

- Lakers had the best regular season record in West

That´s more like it, they didn´t have the best regular season record, Boston and Detroit beat them. (if I´m remember right then New Orleans was only 1 win away of them)

[hova-]

- Lakers had the best regular season record in West

That´s more like it, they didn´t have the best regular season record, Boston and Detroit beat them. (if I´m remember right then New Orleans was only 1 win away of them)

Sorry, thats what I wanted to say

[benji]

But you cannot really argue with the fact that Kobe now has one in his showcase.

Someone was arguing that Kobe didn't win the MVP?

And Benji as you always say. It is an award that is determined by the media. So why even care about "arguments" as the media is surely not only resorting to "convincing arguments".

I don't care about the media arguments, I'd like to know the arguments from the people who agree with the medias conclusions.

- MVP numbers: 28.3 PPg / 6.3 RPG / 5.4 APG / 1.8 SPG / .45% FG / .36% 3PTFG
- not far away from career highs in RPG, 3PTFG, SPG, 3PT FG Made
- 82 games played, 82 games started, 38 MPG

But Kobe has had better seasons no? And Paul and LeBron had better seasons this year.

- Lakers had the best regular season record

The Lakers are a team, not Kobe Bryant.

These are some pretty good arguments you just have to accept

Is that the "you just have to accept it" argument again? The best part of the argument was "82 games played at 38 minutes per game."

[Jackal]

I share the same "argument" as the media people that voted for Bryant.

I like him more.

[MANIPON]

Yes, I do love it. I love ad hominem and other evidence of lacking logically valid arguments.

But what if I watched the NBA on TV and saw Chris Paul being the MVP? Or Darko Milicic? What if I watched the NBA in person and saw these things?

When did "watch it and you will see" suddenly become an acceptable form of argument? Or declaring "no arguments" as the only support of your claims? Or calling people haters or "kids"?

Is the case for Kobe as MVP so lacking that it is near impossible to come up with one without making things up or demanding no argument?

now..you can shut up..the others are gone..

bye-bye lebron..bye-bye paul!

[BigKaboom2]

The Most Valuable Player award is for the regular season only. This has already been pointed out once in this thread and it honestly should be common knowledge to someone who claims to watch the NBA.

[benji]

Does that mean, if the Celtics win the championship, KG was the regular season MVP? If Pistons win, was it Billups? If Spurs, Duncan?

[MANIPON]

MOST VALUABLE PLAYER. Look for the meaning of these three words..put them together as a whole and you will find your answer. It's a regular season award but it not ends right there.

We all know that this is just a regular season award. But do you think that you will just take it as that? (especially the players)..the post-season is the best way to prove that regular season award..hahaha..you losers..

[benji]

Why was Kobe the most valuable player during the regular season?

[Matthew]

Because he got the most votes. OMG HAHAHA SPURS IN 3 HAHAHAHAHA EDIT IMO LULZ

[hova-]

Quote:
- Lakers had the best regular season record

The Lakers are a team, not Kobe Bryant.

Yeah, but after years of MVP discussions you should know that the team`s success is a base for this award. That is just a fact. And just because you don't think it should be considered, everybody else won't do so.

So LeBron is pretty much out. So now I want to know why you think CP3 deserved it over KB24 ?

[benji]

But team success isn't and should never be the only or even a majority base. The Lakers were only one game better than the Hornets and Spurs, worse than the Pistons and Celtics. Only beat out Suns and Rockets by two games. So the Lakers finishing first isn't much of a big deal, a one game change and they could have been as low as sixth.

Why is LeBron pretty much out? Should we ignore that pretty incredible season he had?

So now I want to know why you think CP3 deserved it over KB24 ?

Who said I did? I still want to know why Kobe deserves it over anyone else without a one game lead in the standings by his team being the primary case in favor.

Since you keep wanting to go back to the media's decision making process, and since a lot of people agreed, why did Kobe win this year, but not in the last two seasons? He didn't really change anything. The Lakers just had a better team.

[Sauru]

but benji the media was hooked on foreign white guys the last few years, kobe had to wait his turn, didnt you know that?

[hova-]

LeBron is pretty much out when you consider the Cavs inconsistent season with a weaker record than the other teams of the top MVP candidates.

You know, I think the MVP should go to the best player. The player that heaves his team on a level they would not be able to land without him.
So LeBron would be the logical choice.

But Ive accepted that this is not the point for those who vote for the MVP take into consideration. Supporting cast is actually not even a lil bit important.
It is not important wether your team mates are named Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Delonte West or Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom. They just do not care about it. The record seems to cover up everything that is important.

Kobe did not win it the last two years because the Lakers were struggling although he was playing very well. Dirk and Nash were surely not the most valuable players the last three seasons (maybe Nash in his first year - just a new Suns era), but they were the go-to-guys or franchise players or just leaders on top teams with top records.

If this award would go to the Most Valuable Player, what it should do, LeBron should have won it the last three or four seasons. Thats my word.

[benji]

Now you've got it, I don't care what the media thinks, or that Kobe actually won. I'm interested in what forumers think. That is why I post here instead of being hypercritical and contradictionist in the ESPN offices.

There is a serious case for Kobe, but nobody seems interested in providing it. All we get are memes and being told not to argue. The media (columnists at least, who only a few get to vote) did the same thing all season, declaring Kobe to be better, this the year he deserved it, etc. al. without ever telling us why he was better or deserving. I mean, it takes a LeBron supporter to actually try and defend Kobe, or to make a rational argument in his favor.

I'll do it. But not right now. Post will be edited if nobody posts after.

[[Q]]

but benji the media was hooked on foreign white guys the last few years, kobe had to wait his turn, didnt you know that?

jason kapono on being drafted in the 2nd round: "I should've moved to Europe and changed my name to Jason Kaponovich."

[Sauru]

but benji the media was hooked on foreign white guys the last few years, kobe had to wait his turn, didnt you know that?

jason kapono on being drafted in the 2nd round: "I should've moved to Europe and changed my name to Jason Kaponovich."

HA, i never heard that, he really say it?

[GoHornets]

I think Manipon is taking this as something personal