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Postby air gordon on Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:43 am

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"We didn't even talk about me starting or coming off the bench. I know there's going to be competition. That's something that will make us a better team, having depth at my position. But whether I'm starting or coming off the bench, I can contribute either way."

a good sign. i just hope he doesn't get the Skiles entitlement minutes because he's a vet

"We needed another big who could shoot if we couldn't get a legitimate post player," Paxson said. "We run a lot of screen-and-roll offense, so his ability to shoot is important for us.

"We didn't want to put all the pressure on Tyrus and Joakim without some veteran support. Joe is professional in every sense of the word. It's an excellent fit."
Now Paxson can turn his attention to negotiating contract extensions for Luol Deng and Ben Gordon, though neither contract has to be extended this summer because the Bulls own their rights through the 2008-09 season.

Paxson was adamant that Smith's contract doesn't affect the master plan.

"If people believe we are vulnerable in dealing with Luol and Ben, they are mistaken," Paxson said. "We've known for a long time we would be dealing with our young players growing into their next contract. But we won't lose them."
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Postby Andrew on Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:01 am

Good to hear indeed. Hopefully Ben and Luol remain as keen to stay as Pax is to keep them.
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Postby air gordon on Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:15 pm

there was some speculation that the Bulls did try a last ditch effort to acquire KG. i wonder what kind of package Paxson came up with

no offense to the players Boston gave up but i do think Chciago could given something of comparable or even better value then Boston did

the Bulls were strogngly rumored to have offered Deng, Chandler, the pick that ended up as Tyrus thomas + nyks pick (from this year) for KG last year and McHale turned it down.
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Postby --- on Wed Aug 01, 2007 1:34 pm

I read the other day that Pax (in the offer before the draft) wasn't willing to part with both Luol and Ben. Not just one, but both of them.

I don't know about the offer from last year you mentioned, but Deng hadn't broken out just yet and Chandler was yet to salvage his career in New Orleans. I mean, Deng was coming off a 14/7/2 season and a weak playoff performance, while Chandler was putting up some of his worse numbers ever, 5/9 and a block. Both guys are young, but they weren't exactly looking like sure fire superstars. On top of that, everyone figured '06 was a weak draft (which it was), so the '06 pick isn't worth that much. Then for the Knicks pick from this year, alot of people just saw Oden and a bunch of risky picks (Durant, Wright, Yi, Julian Wright, etc) with pretty bad gaurds.

Alot has changed since then.
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Postby Dan's Brain on Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:04 pm

I'd assume it would have included Tyrus, Thabo, PJ, maybe Noah, hopefully Khryapa, and a first rounder or 2. The package probably wouldnt have included Deng or Gordon because the Wolves have jumped all over it, and Pax just wouldnt have done it.
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Postby magius on Wed Aug 01, 2007 5:18 pm

3. Chicago fans, you should be bummed -- KG would have ended up in Chicago if John Paxson had simply rolled over P.J. Brown's expiring deal last February for a 2008 expiring deal to preserve that cap number (like Phoenix wouldn't have been interested???).


don't know what the rest of the deal referred to was, but really doesn't matter now. I think they were close though.
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Postby Sauru on Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:16 am

i truely believe jefferson is the only reason kg left town, plus they wanted good picks. they got thier pick back from boston which will be a high one so they got a top level developing big man and a high pick. i know everyone in chicago loves gordon and deng but they rank 2 and 3 behind jefferson and overlap the other young guys the wolves already have.
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Postby maes on Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:13 am

Whatever Chicago could have offered it wouldn't have beat Boston's offer of a future All-Star caliber PF/C.

Without Tyson Chandler or Lamarcus Alridge or Spencer Hawes, any deal would have just been a collection of SF/PFs.

Paxson does a great job of drafting high quality players, but he doesn't draft or trade for valuable assets.
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Postby Andrew on Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:38 am

3. Chicago fans, you should be bummed -- KG would have ended up in Chicago if John Paxson had simply rolled over P.J. Brown's expiring deal last February for a 2008 expiring deal to preserve that cap number (like Phoenix wouldn't have been interested???).


Don't get me wrong, KG in a Bulls uniform is an appealing thought. But if it takes gutting the roster to get him, would they really have been better off? There's some criticism of the trade with the Celtics in so far as giving up young talent and leaving the roster too thin. In the Bulls' case it would be even thinner seeing as though the trade wouldn't leave them with three perennial All-Stars as the Celtics' roster now boasts. Anyway, what's done is done.
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Postby air gordon on Thu Aug 02, 2007 11:40 am

Shannon wrote:I read the other day that Pax (in the offer before the draft) wasn't willing to part with both Luol and Ben. Not just one, but both of them.

I don't know about the offer from last year you mentioned, but Deng hadn't broken out just yet and Chandler was yet to salvage his career in New Orleans. I mean, Deng was coming off a 14/7/2 season and a weak playoff performance, while Chandler was putting up some of his worse numbers ever, 5/9 and a block. Both guys are young, but they weren't exactly looking like sure fire superstars. On top of that, everyone figured '06 was a weak draft (which it was), so the '06 pick isn't worth that much. Then for the Knicks pick from this year, alot of people just saw Oden and a bunch of risky picks (Durant, Wright, Yi, Julian Wright, etc) with pretty bad gaurds.

Alot has changed since then.

valid points there, however, allow me rto etort....

Deng didn't break out that year but keep in mind he had that broken right wrist he played through the entire season and postseason. he admitted that he couldn't even lift weights until that offseason

who knows about Chandler but there was/will always be interest in a young, agile 7fter no matter how much one can downplay/overrate him

weird how 1 year goes by and the 'consensus' is that the 06 draft was/is weak :wink:

lol are you kidding me about '07 pick/draft? Oden was already being hailed as the next great big man in his senior year in high school. i don't really like to kick down the knicks but let's get serious here- a lot projected them to finish bottom 3. getting the chance to possibly nab a supposed franchise center has a boat load of value

but hey- supposedly Garnett wasn't on the trading block then.

sauru: what you say i think i can agree with since Big Al is PF/C but i think timing and the friendship McHale had with Ainge were key

it was already a lose-lose situation for Minny to trade KG and i don't think McHale could trust Pax would give him a good deal after Pax pulled a job on Zeke twice

maes: interesting assessment. imo the team hasn't been in the position to pick the bpa. i think in each draft he's always drafted to fill out a need- just look at the starting lineup. even this year, the noah selection was a 'need' pick. he's not a low post scorer but the team did need 'big' men
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Postby Sauru on Thu Aug 02, 2007 12:37 pm

i do agree with you gordon, i think the friendship of ainge and mchale is a huge reason this deal went down. i also think the celtic blood that still flows through mchales veins is why you never were gonna see kg in a lakers uniform lol
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Postby Amphatoast on Fri Aug 03, 2007 12:50 pm

bulls sign JamesOn Curry...
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi ... son_curry/


imagine if the bulls had drafted wilson chandler.. they would of had curry/chandler combo again

JamesOn Curry name is funny though.. would of been more funny if he was a knick, i know he would get bugged everyday since the knicks have a james and curry on their team
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Postby Andrew on Mon Aug 27, 2007 12:01 pm

Bulls' Gordon Looking For New Contract

Ben Gordon hopes to be able to work out a contract extension with the Chicago Bulls before the team's Oct. 31 season opener against the Nets.

Gordon, 24, is about to embark on the final year of the four-year rookie contract he signed with the Bulls in 2004 after getting drafted out of Connecticut.

"The Bulls have an opportunity to extend my contract with them this summer," Gordon said yesterday. "So I'm hoping something gets done and I won't have to wait another year to see what's going to happen. I've done everything possible I could have done to help my team get to the playoffs, and I think it's up to them right now to see if they want to make a long-term commitment."


Good to know Gordon would like to remain a Bull. Hopefully they'll work something out with him and Deng as I don't fancy the idea of relationships souring and/or losing either of them.
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Postby Andrew on Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:30 am

Gordon, Deng In Line For Extensions

The Bulls hope to come to terms on contract extensions for Ben Gordon and Luol Deng before the season starts, but with training camp starting Monday, nothing is imminent.

The deadline to get contract extensions done is Oct. 31, the day the Bulls open the regular season at New Jersey. Gordon and Deng -- the team's top scorers, respectively -- are most likely looking for more than the $47.5 million, five-year extension that the Bulls agreed to give Kirk Hinrich on deadline day last year.

''We've talked,'' general manager John Paxson said. ''But if something doesn't get done, it will speak more to the fact that those two kids have such great confidence in themselves that they'll expect to go out and have a terrific year. Which is great for us and for them. We are not going to lose them.''


I guess that's an encouraging sign. The last thing I want to see is those guys get alienated and their relationship with the Bulls sour.
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Postby puttincomputers on Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:28 am

hey they are worth it. come on pax give em what they want
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Postby Dan's Brain on Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:55 am

They absolutely are. Both could be all-stars this year. And Deng could go all-NBA. In fact, i'll state that Deng WILL be an all-star this year.


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Postby Drex on Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:48 am

Man, JN13 was a good poster 'til he got crazy.
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Postby Dan's Brain on Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:44 pm

Drex wrote:Man, JN13 was a good poster 'til he got crazy.



Pretty sure he was never a good poster.
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Postby Dan's Brain on Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:46 pm

Joakim_Noah13 wrote:
Drex wrote:Man, JN13 was a good poster 'til he got crazy.



Pretty sure he was never a good poster.



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Postby J@3 on Tue Oct 02, 2007 3:39 pm

You're just proving his point by double posting :lol:
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Postby Dan's Brain on Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:32 pm

Had to be done for the "joke"
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Postby shadowgrin on Tue Oct 02, 2007 10:55 pm

I think it's time to bring down that ugly avatar of yours.
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Postby Dan's Brain on Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:20 pm

It would be replaced by a picture of Joakim Noah. Do you still want me to take it down?
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Postby Andrew on Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:21 pm

puttincomputers wrote:hey they are worth it. come on pax give em what they want


Absolutely. Both sides seem to be on the same wavelength so hopefully deals will be done by October 31st.

Joakim_Noah13 wrote:It would be replaced by a picture of Joakim Noah. Do you still want me to take it down?


I think you'll need to put the Noah avatar up before we can decide. :P
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Postby --- on Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:19 am

There was some talk from Ben Gordon that didn't sound to good, but it was pretty minor. He said - "If management wants me to give up one year, then I expect them to pay for it". My guess is they'll both take a long time to officially get their extensions, just like how Pax works his deals with rookies each season - there's not really any problems, but he doesn't hurry to work with contracts.
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