Official Milwaukee Bucks Thread

[jonthefon]

I went over this on my sports blog. I thought he should've worked his way into favour via the bench.

[Ty-Land]

If I'm Charlie V. I demand a trade. What to stop them from demanding more playing for next year? Or the year after?

Why would he do that? Obviously that means there's at least 28 minutes for CV at PF. That's assuming that Yi only plays the 4. CV could also play 5 minutes a game at SF, so that's 33 minutes a game. What are you expecting him to get?

Personally I think landing Yi is a good thing for CV. Now he has to prove what he is worth to the franchise. In fact he said that in an interview after he was drafted. He said he looked forward to training camp so they could fight it out for minutes. Coming back from a major injury and surgery, plus having Yi coming in to challenge his minutes, CV will be trying to prove his value otherwise he will likely be shipped off somewhere.

once his contract is up he's out of there.

How do you know a few years from now he won't be content playing from Milwaukee. His rookie contract allows the Bucks to hold onto him for 4 years (if team options are used). Then he is a RFA. If he turns into a decent player then the Bucks can just match whatever is thrown at him. If he just takes the QO so he can become a UFA then it is more of a problem. But the Bucks still get 5 years out of him without having to pay him huge dollars. I think that works out relatively well. By that stage he could possibly be the focus of the team, a franchise player. He will be making enough dollars from sponsors and exposure if he is that good that is hardly likely that he will go elsewhere.

[-Young Buck-]

once his contract is up he's out of there.

How do you know a few years from now he won't be content playing from Milwaukee. His rookie contract allows the Bucks to hold onto him for 4 years (if team options are used). Then he is a RFA. If he turns into a decent player then the Bucks can just match whatever is thrown at him. If he just takes the QO so he can become a UFA then it is more of a problem. But the Bucks still get 5 years out of him without having to pay him huge dollars. I think that works out relatively well. By that stage he could possibly be the focus of the team, a franchise player. He will be making enough dollars from sponsors and exposure if he is that good that is hardly likely that he will go elsewhere.

I agree...i always hear how players love milwaukee once they actually come to play for us. If Yi live up to his potential and becomes the 2nd best or possibly best player on the bucks, why would he want to leave? He will have Redd, Bogut, Charlie V, Simmons, Mason, Williams around him who are all better then solid players.

[Sauru]

all someone has to do is offer him 21 minutes and he is good as gone

[Fresh8]

I think that maybe a few seasons in the league will help him develop also as a problem. He will have his own views about his country. And he will learn to ask for what he wants and not for what China wants.

Yao was sorta the same and China can't do anything about him. Sure, Yao still competes for China and has to commit to his country, but after a few years he has negotiated with them so that his commitments aren't as strong.

Yi, provided he becomes as important as Yao to the Chinese National Team or he learns that he can ask for what he wants, can be like that... I think in the long term, Yi will be able to negotiate with China for exceptions to certain things he has got to do. If he gets good enough, he can get China off this back.

However, it could all backfire and China would say, 'We made you great' and yeh... the headaches will continue.

[-Young Buck-]

Does anyone care that Charlie Bell is about to not sign with the bucks? To me he is going to be a huge loss if we dont resign him, and everytime i hear about charlie bell its getting worse and worse.

[Fresh8]

Losing a double digit scorer and guard who is capable of starting and coming off the bench would be tough... especially losing Bell for nothing. The Bucks are going to lose some depth especially at the 1 spot with Bell going... I guess if he goes, Earl Boykins might be back...

Also, Melbourne Tigers lost to China 69-54 or soemthing... Yao had 12 and 8... Yi had 19 and 10.

[maceo24]

If I'm Charlie V. I demand a trade. What to stop them from demanding more playing for next year? Or the year after?

Why would he do that? Obviously that means there's at least 28 minutes for CV at PF. That's assuming that Yi only plays the 4. CV could also play 5 minutes a game at SF, so that's 33 minutes a game. What are you expecting him to get?

Personally I think landing Yi is a good thing for CV. Now he has to prove what he is worth to the franchise. In fact he said that in an interview after he was drafted. He said he looked forward to training camp so they could fight it out for minutes.

That my point, he's not fighting it out for minutes, in promising Yi X amount of minutes, where's the competition? In theory, Yi could sit on his ass the next two years because he has guaranteed minutes.

I would be insulted if the team i was on promised another man minutes at my position without first seeing if the man is competent enough to earn that type of playing time on his own. What happens in a close game where Cv could be doing well, but you havent met the "Yi Quota" yet? Yes I'm being a little too literal, but I'm making a point with it. Whatever time Yi gets right now is unearned, and that shouldnt be sitting well with ANY of his teammates.

Lets say SA had the 6th pick, and drafted Yi. Do you think the Spurs would accept those demands for minutes? How do you tell Tim Duncan youre shaving 10 minutes a game off his PT to appease a foriegn country? I know CV is not TD by ANY stretch of the imagination, but do you see where I'm headed with that?

Whoever gives the bucks the best chance to win is the player who should get those minutes, no promise like that should EVER be made.

Why would you pay a first year teacher a tenured salary? Because his parents said so? Think about it man, this whole situation stinks to high heaven.

[Ty-Land]

Does anyone care that Charlie Bell is about to not sign with the bucks? To me he is going to be a huge loss if we dont resign him, and everytime i hear about charlie bell its getting worse and worse.

I will cry on the inside if we don't hold onto him. I'm trying to remain positive though, thinking that this is just his agent posturing for a better deal. I honestly believe another NBA team will throw him a deal and we will match, or we will resign him for the one year qualifying offer.

[Andrew]

I think that this will be only an isolated issue. It probably depends on the team if it were to happen again. If the Bucks hadn't been so insistent on wanting to sgin Yi, this wouldn't have happened. they could have just traded him.

So for future, if any players/agents are like this, they will make the arguement with this as a basis for the arguement. However, I'm expecting most teams not to be as tolerant. However, if you think about it, negotiations on offering playing time, starting spot, oppotrunity to play would have to be part of contract negotiations. So this sorta branches out.

It's up to the team to say no if people make demands like these.

I think in some respects its even worse if it's an isolated incident. Like I said, I wouldn't like to see it become commonplace but if Yi's the only player that ever secures a deal like this then it's not much better since as maceo said, no one player is bigger than the system.

[Fresh8]

It's bad both ways (Not sure which is worse)... I dont know how to explain it. This will come up in negotiations around the league and with different teams.

Ultimately, it's up to the team to say no to players who demand playing time like Yi does. If Yi is feeling he is bigger than the system, than the Bucks are to blame for letting it happen. They could have easily traded his rights to another team. (Yes, they were in a tough position due to Yi's people but they maybe should have decided what this would mean for the NBA)

I am hoping it won't happen again - in regard to demanding and actually being promised exact amount of minutes...

[---]

What exactly would happen if the Bucks didn't give Yi his 20 mins a game? Even if he did get out of his contract, he would still need to sit out a year (not sure if it counts as professional since they aren't payed) which would probably mean bye-bye to the Olympics. I guess he could force a trade, but they already did that once and it didn't work.

As Jae said, I hope this means a 20 MPG average by seasons end, and not 20 minutes every single game. That wouldn't allow any coach to run his team properly. Who wants Yi out there if the only guy he can gaurd is tearing him apart? Maybe chuck Gadzuric in there? No sorry, Yi needs another 12 minutes.

I'm gonna laugh so if he averages 19 MPG.

[Fresh8]

Well, we can think of it this way. The Bucks would have never tried to get him in so hard if they didn't want him on the team and if they didn't think he'd be good. They had barely seen him play/try out nor did he ever try out for other teams with other players. They are relying on Del Harris' words... so it is a pretty big gamble.

However, Del has coached in the NBA before so he should know his stuff. Also, the Bucks would never (I'm guessing) agree to giving him a permanent spot in the rotation if they didn't thnik he would be good enough.

The '20 minutes' thing I think is more of a 'we are going to put you in the rotation so that you can get on the court' rather than a 'you're going to get at least 20 minutes every game.' I think the Bucks' coaching staff will draw a line between when to keep Yi on and when he is hurting the team more than helping so they can take him off.

I'm glad it's sort of over so both parties can focus on the season. And I think Yi will have a good rookie season but we shall have to wait and see. To tell you the truth, I'm more excited to see how Andrew Bogut and Charlie V look this season in the team's new system.

[Andrew]

Ultimately, it's up to the team to say no to players who demand playing time like Yi does. If Yi is feeling he is bigger than the system, than the Bucks are to blame for letting it happen. They could have easily traded his rights to another team. (Yes, they were in a tough position due to Yi's people but they maybe should have decided what this would mean for the NBA)

I don't think the Bucks are to blame. I guess you could say they could have picked someone else who didn't come with so much red tape and jumping through hoops but they made it clear they were interested in picking Yi and would do so if he was still available. You're right, the Bucks could easily say no to his demands but considering they used the sixth overall pick in what was perceived as being one of the strongest drafts in recent times they're obviously going to want to come to a compromise. They put themselves in a tough position by taking a risk on Yi but once they were in it they obviously wanted to find a mutually agreeable solution.

The '20 minutes' thing I think is more of a 'we are going to put you in the rotation so that you can get on the court' rather than a 'you're going to get at least 20 minutes every game.' I think the Bucks' coaching staff will draw a line between when to keep Yi on and when he is hurting the team more than helping so they can take him off.

I really hope that's the case because if it comes to fulfilling a quota with Yi's minutes every game at the expense of whatever plan Krystkowiak devises to win games then the Bucks are going to be somewhat handicapped to say the least. He won't have to play 20 minutes in every single contest to fulfil that quota but it means he'll have to be playing at least 20 minutes more often than not.

[-Young Buck-]

I wouldnt mind resigning Boykins if we cant get bell. He wont be able to play against bigger guys, but he can score just as good, and play D.

[Fresh8]

I don't think the Bucks are to blame. I guess you could say they could have picked someone else who didn't come with so much red tape and jumping through hoops but they made it clear they were interested in picking Yi and would do so if he was still available. You're right, the Bucks could easily say no to his demands but considering they used the sixth overall pick in what was perceived as being one of the strongest drafts in recent times they're obviously going to want to come to a compromise. They put themselves in a tough position by taking a risk on Yi but once they were in it they obviously wanted to find a mutually agreeable solution.

I didn't want to come as blaming the Bucks as such but yes, as you said, they put themselves in a tough situation. But if Yi feels bigger than the NBA itself, then some of the blame rests on the shoulders of Bucks' management for letting Yi get away with it.

They wanted to get something out of using their draft pick (even though Yi's people made it clear shit would happen if he was picked up)... Yi had so much hype, they coulda got another player from a team who really wanted him... They didn't have to say yes to giving him the minutes and the what not ('superstar' treatment before he's even played a game). Either way though, the Bucks had to stand for themselves and what they wanted I guess. Yi is supposedly maybe the third biggest talent of the draft and has a lot of intrigue surrounding him. And the Bucks didn't want to bow to Yi's party's demands of a trade...

I really hope that's the case because if it comes to fulfilling a quota with Yi's minutes every game at the expense of whatever plan Krystkowiak devises to win games then the Bucks are going to be somewhat handicapped to say the least. He won't have to play 20 minutes in every single contest to fulfil that quota but it means he'll have to be playing at least 20 minutes more often than not.

I'm sure the team isn't stupid enough to say 'here is your quota and you're getting at least 20 minutes every game and you're coming on at this time and so and so... they are professionals so something will have been written down as a term of the contract about the playing time. And they will have bargained for enough loophole/leverage to work with situations where Yi HAS to come off... otherwise, I don't thnik the Bucks would have agreed to the deal.

What is reported in the media is just that... I wouldn't take everything word for word. The team isn't stupid enough to put the fate of the team in Yi's hands...

[Effekt]

I agree with some of the above comments, that would suck if Charlie-V is having a great night and then Yi has to come on to get his 20 or so minutes. But then again, right now I'm not going to say anything really bad against Yi and this palying time thing until I see him in his first NBA game.

[Fresh8]

Charlie-V is having a great night and then Yi has to come on to get his 20 or so minutes

Let's be a bit more optimistic and say Yi is gonna play a bit of the 3

[-Young Buck-]

I really dont think the bucks will put a game on the line, or put a hot player on the bench to get Yi his 20 minutes. They just entend to play him 20+ minutes a night, if he is going to suck then i cant see the bucks sticking with him when they have Charlie, simmons, or Mason who can play PF and the SF respectively. If china or Yi get mad that the bucks play him 15 minutes one night, then they really have problems.

[Fresh8]

Again, I don't think they would guarante him specific minutes. And there'd be times where Yi has to come off and I think he will. The Bucks won't lose at Yi's expense. He will get minutes and he will make a few mistakes but once he makes too many, he will get taken off IMO.

However, that line between how many mistakes he can make before getting taking off will be a bit wider than usual... which isn't fair.

[---]

But if Yi feels bigger than the NBA itself, then some of the blame rests on the shoulders of Bucks' management for letting Yi get away with it.

What were they supposed to do?

It was either trade him or accept the stupid requests made by his people. Trading him would of been even worse, ecause he got exactly what he wanted in the first place.

[Ty-Land]

I wouldnt mind resigning Boykins if we cant get bell. He wont be able to play against bigger guys, but he can score just as good, and play D.

Play D????? He sure tries hard but he doesn't play good D. I would rather run with Greer as the point backup and sign either Dee Brown or Dahtay Jones to backup the off guard spot. I would hate it if we kept Boykins. He can score but that is it. Can't even run an offence well. I would be incredibly if we bought him back. We don't need another shoot first, no defence guard.

On Charlie Bell, he is in Athens at the moment hearing a deal from a team based there. Supposedly it is 2 years for 5 million (US) after tax. Surely the Bucks will meet that or better it. If Voskul is worth 3 million per year. Something like a 3 year 12 mil deal, 4 year 16 mil. or 2 year 8-9 mil. deal should convince him to stay. He'd rather not go overseas to play I believe, so if the money is close and he gets some security then I think he will stay a Buck.

[Fresh8]

What were they supposed to do?

It was either trade him or accept the stupid requests made by his people. Trading him would of been even worse, ecause he got exactly what he wanted in the first place.

I already said that if they traded him, then Yi's people would have 'won'. In the end, they were in a tough position, which they put themselves in, and would have had to bow down to Yi's Party's demands either way.

[Effekt]

I wonder who other teams would have traded to get Yi on their team? Then again, a fair few teams would have resisted trying to get him because of all of Yi's "people" trying to get him everything.

[Fresh8]

I wonder who other teams would have traded to get Yi on their team?

Chicago, Philadelphia, Golden State might be most interested depending on the 'price' of Yi. Other teams that I believe had an interest in him but not sure if they had what it would take (for the Bucks to make a good return) to get him: Sacramento, Boston, and maybe one of the LA teams.

Then again, a fair few teams would have resisted trying to get him because of all of Yi's "people" trying to get him everything.

I don't think they would have got the same problems as some of the teams I listed were teams that are on a 'hypothetical' list of 'Yi-acceptable teams'... So it wouldn't have stopped them I think.