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Postby JT_55 on Thu Jul 19, 2007 10:54 am

If you re-drafted RJ earlier, do you think you would pick Battier with Houston and make it another person whose re-drafted team is their current one?
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Postby Air Zoom Kobe I on Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:28 am

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The X wrote:2006 NBA DRAFT RE-DONE (per The X)

7. Portland: SF/SG- Adam Morrison (picked #3)

Portland needs a starting SF, Adam Morrison is a local product, the fans would've loved this pick. Please disregard his terrible rookie season, he'll be better than that, trust me.


Something i ponder over is that what could have happened if Morrison stayed for his senior season. he probably would have unanimously won just about every award but still came up short of a National Title. I think a Draft with Durant, Morrison, AND ODEN would be crazy. Such talent to pick from. I'd be as giddy as a schoolgirl if these 3 were in a draft together and I'm the Portland Trailblazer's GM.

Even if Morrison had of repeated his junior season as a senior, he definitely wasn't a chance to go in top 2....the Hawks already have a plethora of SF's & SG's, so he wouldn't go at 3 either....Memphis didn't need him either....the earliest he would have went would be #5 to Seattle (via Boston)....if not there, then maybe at 7 or 8 or outside the top 10....based on team needs in this draft, he could've slid but I'd say he would've been snapped up at #5 as a local product for the Sonics....


But that would be some incredible talent in that draft, am i lyin???? Just incredible. I'd have a hard time putting these guys in order 1-3.

It would have been better that way because he's not gonna play at Charlotte. J-rich, Wallace, and Carroll(sucks) are gonna take up a good amount of playing time. Maybe if he did stay he could be a star somewhere else. But oh well.

But anyway, im surprised Battier wasn't picked in the top 13 lol.
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Postby The X on Thu Jul 19, 2007 6:54 pm

JT_55 wrote:If you re-drafted RJ earlier, do you think you would pick Battier with Houston and make it another person whose re-drafted team is their current one?

yep, if Jefferson went earlier, Battier was definitely going no lower than 13 to the Rockets....

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The X wrote:2006 NBA DRAFT RE-DONE (per The X)

7. Portland: SF/SG- Adam Morrison (picked #3)

Portland needs a starting SF, Adam Morrison is a local product, the fans would've loved this pick. Please disregard his terrible rookie season, he'll be better than that, trust me.


Something i ponder over is that what could have happened if Morrison stayed for his senior season. he probably would have unanimously won just about every award but still came up short of a National Title. I think a Draft with Durant, Morrison, AND ODEN would be crazy. Such talent to pick from. I'd be as giddy as a schoolgirl if these 3 were in a draft together and I'm the Portland Trailblazer's GM.

Even if Morrison had of repeated his junior season as a senior, he definitely wasn't a chance to go in top 2....the Hawks already have a plethora of SF's & SG's, so he wouldn't go at 3 either....Memphis didn't need him either....the earliest he would have went would be #5 to Seattle (via Boston)....if not there, then maybe at 7 or 8 or outside the top 10....based on team needs in this draft, he could've slid but I'd say he would've been snapped up at #5 as a local product for the Sonics....


But that would be some incredible talent in that draft, am i lyin???? Just incredible. I'd have a hard time putting these guys in order 1-3.

It would have been better that way because he's not gonna play at Charlotte. J-rich, Wallace, and Carroll(sucks) are gonna take up a good amount of playing time. Maybe if he did stay he could be a star somewhere else. But oh well.

But anyway, im surprised Battier wasn't picked in the top 13 lol.

yep, I was surprised that Battier didn't get into lottery either....yeah, I hope Morrison does well too....although I'd prefer to see Jared Dudley doing well & playing a lot....
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Postby The X on Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:56 pm

2000 NBA DRAFT RE-DONE (per The X)

1. New Jersey: SG- Michael Redd (picked #43)

This is a gimme at this spot. The Nets add this gunner to a lineup that already included Marbury, Van Horn & Kendall Gill. Other possibility is Kenyon Martin, but we'll skip him this time considering the history.

2. Vancouver: PF- Kenyon Martin (picked #1)

The team's starting lineup was Bibby, Dickerson, Abdur-Rahim, Harrington & Big Country. They clearly needed a starting PF & Martin would've given them some toughness at the spot.

3. LA Clippers: SF/SG- Mike Miller (picked #5)

The Clippers took Miles with this pick, but ROY-to-be Mike Miller would've been a much better pick at this spot.

4. Chicago: SG/PG- Jamal Crawford (picked #8)

The Bulls needed a lot of help, so the best available talent at this spot in Jamal Crawford is the goer at this pick. Although Crawford was always more of a SG than a PG, he helps them nonetheless.

5. Orlando: Jamaal Magloire (picked #19)

You know a draft is weak when Magloire goes this high. Magic had a lot of spending money this off-season to throw at the likes of T-Mac, Duncan & Grant Hill. PG was set with Darrell Armstrong, the team just needed a big guy. Magloire would've been very serviceable at clogging up some space. If Duncan doesn't sign with them, Magloire is your starting centre. If he does then Magloire is a very good backup to have, maybe even able to start at centre & Duncan at PF if desired.

6. Atlanta: SF/SG- Morris Peterson (picked #21)

Funnily enough, the Hawks really needed a SF at this time as guys like Chris Crawford & Roshown McLeod were all the crazy. In hindsight the Hawks would go a bit SF-crazy of the years, but we weren't to know that at the time. Peterson would've stepped in right away & at this time, seems like a better fit than Q, Turkoglu, Miles or Mason.

7. Chicago: PG- Speedy Claxton (picked #20)

Not a great year for the Bulls to have two good lottery picks, but alas is the case for the Terri-Bulls. They've already picked up Crawford at #4, so it's time to add in the position of great need, a PG. Considering the names like Bryce Drew, Khalid El-Amin, an ageing Greg Anthony & Fred "The Mayor" Hoiberg all shared starting duties at PG during this period, it doesn't take much to get your new starting PG. Speedy Claxton is best PG available in the draft, so he goes at this spot.

8. Cleveland: SF/SG- Desmond Mason (picked #17)

The Cavs needed help a centre to put besides Shawn Kemp with Z sidelined with foot injuries & not expected back. Unfortunately unless you think Przybilla or Voskuhl is the answer, which I don't, then there is nothing available. The Cavs could've used another swingman, so let's go with best available & add some athleticism to run the wings.


9. Houston: SF- Darius Miles (picked #3)

Barkley retired, Hakeem was injury prone & his days were numbered. The team belonged to Stevie Francis & Cuttino Mobley. I suggest we put another long athlete at SF to make up for the smallish backcourt & add another piece. Given the depth of the draft, it's worth taking him at this spot. He will contribute to an up & down team like the Rockets were under Francis & Mobley.

10. Orlando: SF/SG- Quentin Richardson (picked #18)

Orlando does NOT trade this pick, along with Corey Maggette for a future 1st Rounder (I'm not even sure who they got with this pick, but I'm assuming it's not worth what they gave up). With already Magloire drafted, Maggette in the fold, Darrell Armstrong at PG, some money to throw at free agents (like Hill, T-Mac & Duncan), things are starting to look good. You don't really know who the Magic were going to end up with, probably a big & a small, so at this pick, best available talent is the aim of the game & Q probably fits that bill & fits into the team's direction.

11. Boston: SG/SF- Hedo Turkoglu (picked #16)

The Celtics are going to pass on Moiso this time & be more sensible. Turkoglu would've made a good backup at SG & SF behind Pierce & Walker, & at times could've played beside them as he's a good passer. Other possibilities at this pick include Stormile Swift & Etan Thomas, but I just felt like Turko was a slightly better talent.

12. Dallas: PF/C- Stormile Swift (picked #2)

The Mavs needed help inside to team with Fins, Nowitzki & Nash. Although he might not have helped a lot inside offensively, his athleticism would've fitted in well. A good talent & some potential at this pick.

13. Orlando: SG/PG- Marko Jaric (picked #13)

The Magic do not trade this pick away to Mavs for what would've been the #23 pick in next year's draft. Jaric was versatile & could step in right away & play. Edges out DeShawn Stevenson at this spot.


Three toughest omissions: Joel Przybilla (#9), Etan Thomas (#12), DeShawn Stevenson (#23).

Three biggest flops: Marcus Fizer (picked #3), DerMarr Johnson (picked #6), Jerome Moiso (#11).


A pretty mediocre draft, let's hope 1999 is better. I'll post the 1999 re-draft in the next few days.

EDIT: After taking a quick look at the '99 draft, rest assured that it is a very strong draft :cool:
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Postby Silas on Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:11 pm

I wouldn't put Darius until 13 at the earliest, his attitude problems far outweigh his athleticism and production. I'd have a tough time even considering him at all.
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Postby The X on Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:14 pm

Silas wrote:I wouldn't put Darius until 13 at the earliest, his attitude problems far outweigh his athleticism and production. I'd have a tough time even considering him at all.

I actually think his attitude fitted in perfectly with the Francis-Mobley combination....those guys had attitude, especially Francis....if I didn't have him there at 9, he would've slid out of the lottery :wink:
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Postby benji on Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:36 pm

This is supposed to be using knowledge of what happend right? Claxton is injured for his rookie year if I'm not mistaken...so with that in mind does Chicago still take him?

Why does Przybilla drop out? If we're considering what he was to become...
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Postby The X on Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:47 pm

benji wrote:This is supposed to be using knowledge of what happend right? Claxton is injured for his rookie year if I'm not mistaken...so with that in mind does Chicago still take him?

Why does Przybilla drop out? If we're considering what he was to become...

yep, forgot about that knee injury that caused him to miss his rookie year....I still think the Bulls might consider him at that spot as it was a big need....

as for Przybilla, he just dropped out....I looked at him at different spots but it didn't seem to fit....

I guess this re-drafting thing is not an exact science....that's why I'm keen for input from everyone to see where guys like Przybilla should have went....
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Postby Lamrock on Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:25 pm

About what I would have done, though I would have given K-Mart the nod, since he was a big piece of them making it to the finals twice...

You know, its funny. NBADraft.net's NBA comparison for DeShawn Stevenson was Michael Jordan. Does that mean he was a bust? Either way, he should have been #13, not Jaric.

I hope you continue to do the 90's. 1996 will be awesome. The top 3 could go any way.

Trivia: Only 3 players from this draft made it to the all-star game, and all of them were on the 2004 Eastern Conference All-Star Team. Which were they?
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Postby Sacke12 on Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:35 pm

Lamrock93 wrote:Trivia: Only 3 players from this draft made it to the all-star game, and all of them were on the 2004 Eastern Conference All-Star Team. Which were they?


Without looking it up, I think it was Michael Redd, Kenyon Martin and Jamaal Magloire, correct me if I'm wrong.
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Postby Lamrock on Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:08 pm

Bingo. Those were the days... When the East's only decent Center was Ben Wallace. If Kandiman played for the East, I bet he would have made the All-Star team once or twice. Don't forget those 2 years in Minny where he was serviceable.
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Postby The X on Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:23 am

Lamrock93 wrote:About what I would have done, though I would have given K-Mart the nod, since he was a big piece of them making it to the finals twice...

You know, its funny. NBADraft.net's NBA comparison for DeShawn Stevenson was Michael Jordan. Does that mean he was a bust? Either way, he should have been #13, not Jaric.

I hope you continue to do the 90's. 1996 will be awesome. The top 3 could go any way.

Trivia: Only 3 players from this draft made it to the all-star game, and all of them were on the 2004 Eastern Conference All-Star Team. Which were they?

yeah, perhaps Deshawn should've been there, but that's why you guys are here, to correct me....I thought these would be easy when I started, but they are harder than I expected....you have to look it also whether a player was a good fit for the organisation at that time....it's not a re-draft on terms of talent, otherwise it would be a lot easier to rank....

but yep, I plan to continue until the lottery started (was that 1984 with Ewing?!?)....I'm looking forward to 1996, but also 1999, another strong draft....

after I finish all the re-drafts, I'm thinking of doing the top players of All-Time, first starting with top 5 players from each position each decade (from 50's to 00's), coming up with a 1st, 2nd & 3rd team each decade, then working for top 5 players at each position in history, then 1st, 2nd & 3rd team for history....these things take time & I'll be going on these re-drafts at least the next month or two I'd say....but while the motivation is there, I'll continue....

Lamrock93 wrote:Bingo. Those were the days... When the East's only decent Center was Ben Wallace. If Kandiman played for the East, I bet he would have made the All-Star team once or twice. Don't forget those 2 years in Minny where he was serviceable.

That's why I thought Bogut might be one when he got drafted....but now guys like Dwight Howard are emerging, but yeah, he plays to his potential in East, then he's a chance....he would be no chance in the West (Yao, Stoudemire, Oden in next few years & more)....
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Postby Sauru on Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:33 am

looking at the recap of this draft just angers me, i mean jerome moiso? i look at the guys drafted after him and i just get sick to my stomach
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Postby The X on Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:38 am

Sauru wrote:looking at the recap of this draft just angers me, i mean jerome moiso? i look at the guys drafted after him and i just get sick to my stomach

yep, when I think of busts, Moiso's name comes up quickly....back pick for Celtics in a weak draft, when they could've at least pick up a role player to help Toine & the Truth....
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Postby Andrew on Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:40 pm

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benji wrote:This is supposed to be using knowledge of what happend right? Claxton is injured for his rookie year if I'm not mistaken...so with that in mind does Chicago still take him?

Why does Przybilla drop out? If we're considering what he was to become...

yep, forgot about that knee injury that caused him to miss his rookie year....I still think the Bulls might consider him at that spot as it was a big need....


Claxton injured his knee during a pre-season game so you could probably put it down as bad luck, a mishap that might not have happened had he not played in that contest.
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Postby The X on Sun Jul 22, 2007 2:17 pm

Andrew wrote:
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benji wrote:This is supposed to be using knowledge of what happend right? Claxton is injured for his rookie year if I'm not mistaken...so with that in mind does Chicago still take him?

Why does Przybilla drop out? If we're considering what he was to become...

yep, forgot about that knee injury that caused him to miss his rookie year....I still think the Bulls might consider him at that spot as it was a big need....


Claxton injured his knee during a pre-season game so you could probably put it down as bad luck, a mishap that might not have happened had he not played in that contest.

too true....although we could say the same for Jay Williams if not drafted by Bulls....it's a tough one, depending on how you validate your selections....main thing is consistency I guess....
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Postby Lamrock on Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:56 am

So, when is 1999 coming? I'm really looking forward to it. This is my favorite NBA topic right now...

Is this the draft with Olowokandi?
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Postby Andrew on Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:06 am

Kandi was 1998, 1999 features Brand, Francis, Davis and Marion amongst others.
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Postby The X on Tue Jul 24, 2007 8:07 pm

Lamrock93 wrote:So, when is 1999 coming? I'm really looking forward to it. This is my favorite NBA topic right now...

Is this the draft with Olowokandi?

1999 will probably be coming tomorrow....I've been a little busy of late but fear not, this will continue....and Andrew's right, it's the Elton Brand draft, but there's also gems like Jason Terry in the midst :P
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Postby jonthefon on Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:33 pm

Lamar Odom, Andre Miller, Jet, Rip...I think AK-47 was somewhere further down too. Great class.
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Postby maes on Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:08 am

Sauru wrote:looking at the recap of this draft just angers me, i mean jerome moiso? i look at the guys drafted after him and i just get sick to my stomach


I think Moiso had heart issues.

What do you guys feed athletes in Boston? Donuts & hamburgers?

I love this old Raptors blog...

There has been much talk surrounding the Jerome Moiso Signing. It is considered as perhaps the Greatest signing of this team's existance.

Mengke Bateer, another Solid pick up...

2ND Jerome Moiso
Keon Clark the Second. He's a super shot Blocker, and don't look now? he could Replace Davis at Center, and Davis could move to PF, that's how good he is. He's said to have signed with the Raps out of love for Toronto. NOPE! it was because the Dinos granted his wish for more minutes.

3RD Chris Bosh
rookie of the year? Not at this roster spot.


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Postby Sauru on Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:40 am

lol maes, you ever been to boston? you cant walk 5 steps without seeing a dunkin doughtnuts.
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Postby Andrew on Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:26 am

maes wrote:I love this old Raptors blog...

There has been much talk surrounding the Jerome Moiso Signing. It is considered as perhaps the Greatest signing of this team's existance.

Mengke Bateer, another Solid pick up...

2ND Jerome Moiso
Keon Clark the Second. He's a super shot Blocker, and don't look now? he could Replace Davis at Center, and Davis could move to PF, that's how good he is. He's said to have signed with the Raps out of love for Toronto. NOPE! it was because the Dinos granted his wish for more minutes.

3RD Chris Bosh
rookie of the year? Not at this roster spot.


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That has to be up there with all the "Quote me in June" posts that didn't pan out as something the original author must never be allowed to forget.
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Postby Lamrock on Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:57 am

Can't wait for the draft... I'm most interested about Artest. He's one of the best players in the draft but....
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Postby The X on Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:33 pm

1999 NBA DRAFT RE-DONE (per The X)

1. Chicago: PF- Elton Brand (picked #1)

A walking 20-10 from the day he is drafted for say the next 10-12 years. Shame the Bulls will give up on him because he is undersized for a PF.

2. Vancouver: SG/SF- Richard Hamilton (picked #7)

This team was set at PG (Bibby), SF (Abdur-Rahim) & C (Big Country), so they needed a starting SG and/or PF who could fill it up be a foundation for the team's future. Hopefully not a cry baby like Steve Francis. I know that I'm passing on guys like Baron Davis, Lamar Odom & Shawn Marion, but Hamilton would've fitted well & grown with the team. He doesn't have a huge ego so he would've been good for the young franchise.

3. Charlotte Hornets: PG- Baron Davis (picked #3)

There is no passing on Davis at this spot. The Hornets needed a PG as David Wesley was never the answer, & few come better than Baron Davis. When healthy & in shape, he's unbelievable.

4. LA Clippers: SF/PF- Shawn Marion (picked #9)

Gets the nod over Odom as he's more healthy & would've been a nice high-energy guy for the Clippers. The Clips needed a PG, but Jason Terry & Andre Miller are too huge a stretch this high.

5. Toronto: SF/PF- Lamar Odom (picked #4)

Whilst Marion probably would be better suited to Raptors (who already had Carter, McGrady, Christie, etc) than Odom, imagine the thought of Odom with those guys. Too tantalizing to pass on, that's for sure.

6. Minnesota: PG/SG- Steve Francis (picked #2)

You're probably wondering why the heck I've got Francis so high & so am I. But Francis was an absolute stud for years. Marbury wanted out of town badly & demanded a trade. Francis can step in right away & replace what the Wolves lost when Marbury left. I just like the thought of the Garnett-Francis combo more than I do him teaming with Terry, Miller, Artest or Ginobili.

7. Washington: SF- Ron Artest (picked #16)

Talent wise he could've got higher, problem wise I could've put him lower, so about here seems about right. High risk high reward for the pre-Jordan Wizards who needed some toughness & spirit on a roster that was led by an ageing Mitch Richmond & an overpaid Juwan Howard.

8. Cleveland: SF- Andrei Kirilenko (picked #24)

The Cavs were led by Shawn Kemp, Z, Wes Person, Derek Anderson & Brevin Knight. I think Brevin can man the PG fine for years to come, but if they want a PG badly, they can look at it with the #11 pick, not here. So they should add some much needed athleticism & D at SF, & AK47 would've provided that off the bat.


9. Phoenix: SF/SG- Corey Maggette (picked #13)

The Suns needed someone, anyone to help Jason Kidd. Maggette would've developed quick in the Suns' style & been a fixture for the future.

10. Atlanta: PG- Jason Terry (picked #10)

I'll stick with the Hawks' original pick, the best available PG, with no disrespect intended to Andre Miller, but Terry to Hawks was a good pick. Shame they would give up on him too early.

11. Cleveland: PG- Andre Miller (picked #8)

The Cavs pick up their PG at a more reasonable spot. They now have added AK47 & Dre in what would've proved a much better draft than Dre & *cough* Trajan Langdon *cough*.

12. Toronto: SG- Manu Ginobili (picked #57)

The Raptors are already stocked at the wings with T-Mac, Carter & Christie. They've added Odom to that mix already. Now is the time to take the best available talent & that is Manu Ginobili, who incidentally they can store away in Europe for a couple of years while they clear their logjam on the wing.

13. Seattle: SF/SG- Wally Szczerbiak (picked #6)

The Sonics take the best available talent in Wally World, who would've add an immediate double figure scorer & is a pretty solid consolation prize at the bottom of the lottery.


Two toughest omissions: James Posey (#18), Raja Bell (undrafted).

Four biggest flops: Trajan Langdon (picked #11), Aleksandar Radojevic (#12), William Avery (picked #14), Frederic Weis (#15).


A very strong draft in the lottery indeed. Solid pickings for rest of 1st Round (James Posey, Raja Bell, Jeff Foster, Kenny Thomas, Devean George, Gordon Giricek, Francisco Elson & Todd MacCulloch) too. I'll get to the 1998 re-draft probably on the weekend.


EDIT: If you were wondering, the answer is yes, the 1998 Draft is the Sean Marks Draft :cool:
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