Lakers Thread

[shadowgrin]

How is that similar? Young MJ mostly scored on drives, while current Kobe relied on pull-up jumpers.

[Laker Socks]

wtf?!?

both had a balanced midrange and inside game. same with current kobe. both were big time scorers but team record is not as good as it should be . both played with grace and finesse. both had trouble trusting teammates.

As for Wade? pull up J is very unreliable, drives to the hoop and flops to get to the line. trusts teammates.

or maybe i need to post the meaning of "similar"?
similar - having a likeness or resemblance, esp. in a general way; alike though not identical

[LakersRule24]

"Unmatched excellence, skill, or competence"? lol
Who do you think is the better passer, LeBron or Kobe.
Better rebounder, LeBron or Kobe?
If Kobe is of "umatched excellence, skill, or competence" then he should be better than LeBron or anyone for that matter in terms of everything.

Lebron gets more assists due to the fact he has much better teammates than kobe. lebron throws the ball to kwame and he fumbles and loses the ball. And Lebron plays in the East. Put Kobe on a team like the Suns and he would get 15 assists a game.

Kobe has had to sacrifice some of his rebounding since it is not a vital part of the game, but whenever he tried, he was able to be one of the best rebounders in the league. Example, Phil criticized Kobe for not rebounding well enough in the 01-02 season. Then next season, he started the first 5 games with 10+ rebounds and if i remember correctly he was the leading rebounder at the time. He went on to average 9 rebounds for the month.

Like what exactly?
The only thing I could think of is shooting but even Jordan overcame that defiency and had better shooting percentages than Kobe.

There are also skills Jordan possess that Kobe doesn't have.
A good example of MJ's game pre-championship days would be Dwyane Wade, if Wade was on steroids. NBA legends describe him as "virtually unstoppable" (and that's coming from Joe Dumars) during MJ's youth, before the NBA had ticky-tack fouls.

Of course Kobe is a better shooter (81 pts. baby!) but see previous argument above.

Talk about your "umatched excellence, skill, or competence".

When kobe gets into a zone, he has that 7th and 8th gear that no one in history has touched. From the top of my head, i remember him making 9 straight jumpshots in a game(unincluding FT's). He has more range and is a better overall shooter than MJ, even in his later days.

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[Jackal]

Too bad those gears don't let the Lakers win.

[Sauru]

these kobe fans are really going overboard here. saying no one has ever been as good when they are in the zone as kobe? thats gotta be the dumbest thing i ever heard. saying lebron only gets more assists cause he has better teammates? first i gotta say i disagree that lebrons teammates are vastly superior to kobes, secondly, a great player makes others better. aside from pippen and rodman look at everyone jordan played with, then look at what they did after they left the bulls.

[LakersRule24]

Kobe makes 4-5 straight jumpshots a game on a regular basis(i'd say about 30-40 times a season). That's the reason I put up those videos on my youtube channel. To help people realize Kobe is underappreciated and should be respected more since he is such a lightning rod for criticism. You can't make scrubs good players. You can make scrubs better, but they're still scrubs in the end. Why else would Kobe ask for more help? Put Kobe on a team like the Suns and he'll get 15 assists a game if he tried to.

Jordan had good teammates. Pippen is one of the 50 greatest players to ever play. He led a Jordan-less bulls to a 55 win record and should've went to the WCF and beyond if it weren't for a phantom foul on Pippen in game 6 against the Knicks. Rodman is one of the greatest rebounders to ever play. Jordan had Cartwright who was also a good leader of the team. He had shooters around him too. People don't give credit to Jerry Krause enough, he was the one that scouted every college across the nation, including colleges no one else would bother to go to.

I'm not putting Kobe>Jordan though, not that big of a homer. This is going to be my last post on Kobe being a top 5 most skilled player.

[Sauru]

i guess if kobe really wanted good players on his team he should never have chased shaq outa town. then again, the mavs wanted shaq but the dumb lakers didnt want to make the trade cause he would still be in the west. then again i doubt nash would be able to do what he does now with kobe demanding the ball so much

[LakersRule24]

No the trade was shaq for dirk and fillers. dirk + kobe isn't a bad combination.

Kobe never ran shaq out of town.
http://truth.kb24.com/ (scroll down a bit)
Shaq article

Shaq: I believe Kobe 100%

[Sauru]

actually dirk would be an even better fit with kobe. dirk is probably the best 2nd option in the entire nba, the mavs just need a first go to guy to prove this. however i do remember nash being involved in the trade talks but the lakers wanted dirk and mark cuban got a stiffy for him so big he wont ever let go of the german

[[Q]]

No the trade was shaq for dirk and fillers. dirk + kobe isn't a bad combination.

Kobe never ran shaq out of town.
http://truth.kb24.com/ (scroll down a bit)
Shaq article

Shaq: I believe Kobe 100%

quit reading that propaganda and open your eyes.


http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/ ... wants_out/

i knew it when he got caught a few weeks ago and said he wanted to be "a laker for life" and "didn't want to be traded" hours after telling Stephen A Smith that there's no way he would stay with the Lakers. Kobe is full of shit and I continue to lose more respect for him each day that he caught in more lies.

[LakersRule24]

According to Ric bucher on espnews, Jim buss will be fired and Jerry Buss will take control of the Lakers.

[Jackal]

Bryant is really depressing me.

I say fuck it, blow the whole damn thing up. Kobe's way just cost us two years.

*sigh* Perhaps it's just not written in LA destiny to get a player like Stoudemire or Oden any time soon. More mediocrity or hell, bottom dwelling, here we come.

[shadowgrin]

As for Wade? pull up J is very unreliable, drives to the hoop and flops to get to the line. trusts teammates.

What's your problem with Wade? He's already out of the argument some posts ago.

or maybe i need to post the meaning of "similar"?
similar - having a likeness or resemblance, esp. in a general way; alike though not identical

That dictionary you used is real smart. Gee whiz.

both had a balanced midrange and inside game. same with current kobe. both were big time scorers but team record is not as good as it should be . both played with grace and finesse. both had trouble trusting teammates.

In case you forgot, "current Kobe" has a good outside shot (3-pointer), "young MJ" doesn't.
Or did you just intentionally forget that part of his game to align your dictionary meaning to prove your point?
If your going to compare the similarity of two things might as well consider them as a whole and not as bits and pieces.

When kobe gets into a zone, he has that 7th and 8th gear that no one in history has touched. From the top of my head, i remember him making 9 straight jumpshots in a game(unincluding FT's).

I remember a sick and weak Jordan leading the Bulls to a Finals win over the Jazz.
Since he was sick, what gear is that, 1st, 2nd? I think Jackal replied the best about those "gears" thing.

He has more range and is a better overall shooter than MJ, even in his later days.

I think I said that already, twice, in one post...I hate quoting myself...

The only thing I could think of is shooting but even Jordan overcame that defiency and had better shooting percentages than Kobe.
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Of course Kobe is a better shooter (81 pts. baby!) but see previous argument above.

I only said Jordan overcame his defiency and had better shooting percentages than Kobe.
I even reiterated that Kobe was the better shooter with the last statement,
I also reiterated in that statement that Jordan had better shooting percentages than Kobe by referring to the previous argument.
I never said Kobe suxorz at shooting just because MJ had a better percentage.

[Jackal]

That you'd waste your time trying to argue with Kobe fans that Jordan is better.

The sane world knows who is better, let them live in their fantasty world. It isn't worth the irritation.

[shadowgrin]

Guess I'm just an idealist hoping that they would stop dickriding him, even if he's that good.

Back to topic (I think):

Where would Kobe end up if he was traded?

Since he has a no trade clause (without his consent), Kobe is smart enough not to let himself be traded to a scrub team so he'll probably want to be traded to a contender team. Chicago looks very likely.
I want him to end up in Philly possibly but not at the expense of either Andre Miller or Iguodala. (A Sixers fan can hope don't I?)

[[Q]]

Clippers? him and Brand would make a good team with Kaman inside. Maggette plus another decent player would be the cost. the Clips could pull this off without losing too much if they'd developed Korolev more

[Patr1ck]

I'd love to have Kobe on the Clippers, but do you think Buss would be willing to trade Kobe to someone in the same division, let alone the same conference?

[[Q]]

but does he have a choice? Kobe would love nothing more than to stay in LA and play at the same venue. He lives out here in Newport Beach or Corona del Mar somewhere and would hate to uproot his family after being here 11 years.

[LakersRule24]

Jordan is better than Kobe, there are just parts of the game where Kobe is better than Jordan.

On topic, did anyone hear of a rumor where Kobe was to be traded to the Knicks for Crawford, Francis, David Lee, and the 23rd pick?

And I think Kobe would rather play in the Leastern Conference instead of the West, since that is the easy way out to the Finals.

[shadowgrin]

Any trade involving the Knicks is a rumour unless it involves early draft picks or Chicago Bulls.
No way other teams are stupid enough to burden some of the Knick's salary cap hell.

[Sauru]

kobe is too good for new york, they need to get more players who are career cancers

[Laker Socks]

Laker Sucks? How stupid, childish and typical pinoy. Now i see why this forum looks down on filipinos.

Cant even hold a discussion without resorting to childish(and stupid) remarks.
Get a grip, this is just the internet.

[Dean]

Why does KB want Chicago so bad?

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Winning team, great city, large market (only other city at LA/NYC level), Michael Jordan's legacy, etc.

[Sauru]

Laker Sucks? How stupid, childish and typical pinoy. Now i see why this forum looks down on filipinos.

Cant even hold a discussion without resorting to childish(and stupid) remarks.
Get a grip, this is just the internet.

this entire post is stupid. first you bash a people as a whole then you end it with "this is just the internet". what the hell does that mean? you act like the internet is just a game? believe it or not but the internet is actually part of real life, maybe you need to get with the times yourself