Martial Arts Thread

[Jackal]

I think that qualifies as a flame rather than constructive criticism.

Asking someone if they are on crack is real constructive. I don't think that was out of line, so I won't apologise. Besides, you said top five threads I was having a fight. I don't agree.

I always wanted to take up Tae Kwon Do when I lived on Curacao, but I was part of a competitive swimming group which kind of took up all my time and energy outside of school. A friend of mine did it, he stopped swimming and joined that...

[shadowgrin]

Oh and also, this still hasn't been answered yet but how come Aikido isn't prominent in MMA competition? Surely such an effective self defense art like Aikido would be part of some fighter's repetoire.

However, it's only effective to those who've mastered the art--since the moves require such timing, fluidity, and precision, it takes longer to learn and much more skill to pull off effectively in a real situation.

Adding to what Eugene posted, MMA fighters often train with multiple disciplines during training e.g. kickboxing, jiu-jitsu, wrestling, boxing. With attention divided amongst different disciplines, the MMA fighter wouldn't be able to completely master the art to its most lethal and effective level compared to what a master of the art has accomplished.
If you pit those MMA guys to a boxing only allowed match against a real boxer, the boxer would win.
Same if you pit MMA practitioners against Russian Greco-Roman wrestlers to a wrestling only match, the pure wrestler would win.
But if you take the MMA guys to an anything goes match against a boxer or wrestler, the MMA dude would whoop some ass.

After watching Tony Jaa's movies, I was totally inspired to learn some Muay Thai

I read that Muay Thai is really an "offense is the best defense" type of martial art. Unlike other martial art disciplines that seek to neutralize or subdue the attacker without doing any unecessary harm than what is required, Muay Thai focuses on beating your opponent to a bloody pulp as possible as a form of self-defense.
I like it.

But if you're really stuck in a fight, like a real fight, the goal is to hit the other person as hard as you can with the biggest object you can find.

Now that's keeping it real.

[BZ]

Adding to what Eugene posted, MMA fighters often train with multiple disciplines during training e.g. kickboxing, jiu-jitsu, wrestling, boxing. With attention divided amongst different disciplines, the MMA fighter wouldn't be able to completely master the art to its most lethal and effective level compared to what a master of the art has accomplished.
If you pit those MMA guys to a boxing only allowed match against a real boxer, the boxer would win.
Same if you pit MMA practitioners against Russian Greco-Roman wrestlers to a wrestling only match, the pure wrestler would win.
But if you take the MMA guys to an anything goes match against a boxer or wrestler, the MMA dude would whoop some ass.

But nonetheless, wouldn't Aikido practitioners defensively disable their opponents and thus, making it pretty deadly in MMA competition? I read more into Aikido, and they were talking about joint locking and throws that, when done properly, (especially with the attacker unaware of the method of the throw) can be pretty dangerous. I just thought that, some MMA competitors would add what many consider a very effective self defense martial art into their arsenal. Imagine a varying form of JiuJitsu mixed with Aikido. Opponent attacks, the MMA fighter defends it by Aikido locking his joints, and then proceeds for an Armbar or some other offensive maneuvre. Obviously difficult to pull off in real life, but with effectiveness of Aikido and it's method of self defense (primarily based on the how the attacker attacks), it just seems simplistic and effective in a sport dominated by Kickboxing, Jiujitsu, Judo and Wrestling, where Aikido isn't featured at all.

I read that Muay Thai is really an "offense is the best defense" type of martial art. Unlike other martial art disciplines that seek to neutralize or subdue the attacker without doing any unecessary harm than what is required, Muay Thai focuses on beating your opponent to a bloody pulp as possible as a form of self-defense.
I like it

That's the best part of Muay Thai, it's just damn brutal. (I sound sadistic, but what can I say, violence is entertainment ) Even more so is Muay Boran, the original form of Muay Thai which was used by the Thai to defend against invading countries long long time ago, emphasized brutality and the mentality of "one hit=done". It's a dying art, but something that would be very interesting to learn. If you like Muay Thai, Muay Boran is worth a look at.

[shadowgrin]

It merely doesn't take months to master a martial art, it takes years of your life. By the time a teenage MMA practitioner practices Aikido, the person would probably be in his 40's when he truly masters it and that is only Aikido itself, not counting the other disciplines that would divide his time.
That's why training at a younger age (kiddy age) is still the most practical in truly mastering a discipline.

Speaking of Tony Jaa and Muay Boran: From Wiki
Muay Boran was not well-known in the West outside a small circle of practitioners. The art was featured in the 2003 Thai film Ong Bak starring Tony Jaa. Tony Jaa has learned Muay Korat (A form of Muay Boran)

The dude is lethal.

[BZ]

t merely doesn't take months to master a martial art, it takes years of your life. By the time a teenage MMA practitioner practices Aikido, the person would probably be in his 40's when he truly masters it and that is only Aikido itself, not counting the other disciplines that would divide his time.
That's why training at a younger age (kiddy age) is still the most practical in truly mastering a discipline.

Well, not necessarily mastering the art, but just implementing the elements of Aikido into their arsenals. I'm just wondering why such an effective self defense discipline isn't represented at all in MMA competition. And I decided to check out some Martial Arts specific forums, and most people said that it takes them 2-3 years to get their starting black belt degree. Most said that, that's the wonder of Aikido, people of all ages have a good chance of learning the art effectively, because it mainly utilizes minimal movements and relying more upon the opponent's way of attack rather than athleticism and power, which is why I'm gonna consider taking Aikido. I'm gonna register in one of those forums and ask those specialists why Aikido isn't represented in MMA I tried youtubing it before, and have only found Aikido demonstrations with Steven Seagal.

Speaking of Tony Jaa and Muay Boran: From Wiki
Muay Boran was not well-known in the West outside a small circle of practitioners. The art was featured in the 2003 Thai film Ong Bak starring Tony Jaa. Tony Jaa has learned Muay Korat (A form of Muay Boran)

The dude is lethal. Shocked

Last time I visited his official fansite, he knows alot of Martial Arts. Most of them originating from Southeast Asia, but he knows Aikido as well, and displays his Aikido skill in Tom Yung Goon (although I watched that movie, didn't notice it all)

[shadowgrin]

I think there's a rule in the UFC and other MMA competitions that don't allow direct and sudden attacks to the joints of an opponent. Only holds and grabs that force the joints with some time, like doing an armbar to your opponent.

Aikido uses direct and sudden attacks to joints, e.g. grabbing hold of the opponent's wrist and then twisting it along with the attacker's momentum to throw your opponent, that is why Aikido is non-existent in MMA's.

[BZ]

I think there's a rule in the UFC and other MMA competitions that don't allow direct and sudden attacks to the joints of an opponent. Only holds and grabs that force the joints with some time, like doing an armbar to your opponent.

Aikido uses direct and sudden attacks to joints, e.g. grabbing hold of the opponent's wrist and then twisting it along with the attacker's momentum to throw your opponent, that is why Aikido is non-existent in MMA's.

Ahhh, okay I get it now. I guess it's a reasonable reason. Thanks Shadowgrin.