Smoke it up....

[Christopherson]

Illini
Before I answer the question, I want to ask about your thoughts about a similar topic. Thousands of crack babies are born every year. Many are abandoned, or end up in foster homes, etc., causing a huge finanicial drain on society, not to mention the fact that these kids are messed up for life. Well some programs have been proposed that offer crack addicted mothers $200 to come get their tubes tied so they wont have any more kids. Now everyone knows a desperate crack addict will spend the cash on more crack, but it guarantees she wont have any crack babies, or spread her diseases on to her children. What do you think of that?

As far as an answer to your question, I don't see that as promoting drug use per se, as the users are bound to inject themselves with dirty needles anyways. What I don't understand is why not have a program like that and have harsher penalties? Why not try and get the drugs off the street and help hinder the spread of disease?

I think people look at these programs and say, well we are moderating it, or we are controlling it, so the problem wont get out of hand. What worries me is that it is only a matter of time before a drug like pot becomes socially acceptable. So what happens next? People who want the higher high move up a level and start doing something harder, and then that drug goes through the same process as weed is right now. Why must we sit back and do nothing while our morals are errodding away? "People are going to do it anyways" is just a cheap ass way of saying I'm too lazy to try and do anything about it.

[Blasphemy]

wankster, you got ripped off possibly...he might've just sold you oregano. and it takes more than one time to get high off weed for regular people, i'm just small so i get hit the first time (and i did like 9 hits but i just went to sleep). But smoking weed/doing any drug for ESCAPE is the wrong reason to do it...its never going to go well if you do it for those reasons.

Naw, I know it was real. Cause I asked my friend thats an "expert" to separate it. And he said its some nice shit.

[BiGrEd819]

Everyone should just chillout and smoke a bowl~

oh... has anyone played live when they were high. shitty graphics look so good when your high

[Oznogrd]

note wankster as i said: you're not going to get high the first time usually

Baldus...I think its a perfecty reasonable idea just like the needle exchange program. But you cant have your cake and eat it too, which is what those programs AND harsher penalties would do. People would be even more scared to go for the programs if punishments were harsher. Alot of them already think its just a trick so they can bust you.

If you consider drug use a moral i'm surprised, there are much more important morals to me our country needs to worry about like honesty and the death of the american family...I disagree about the wanting the harder stuff to be legalized...Narcotics have high toxicity rates...it is almost impossible to OD on weed, which is one reason i think it is so popular. There is very little immediate risk involved and for the most part thats what younger generations (most of the users) think about.

[Nick]

Naw, I know it was real. Cause I asked my friend thats an "expert" to separate it. And he said its some nice shit.

I think most people like to say that because it makes them sound like they know what they're talking about.

[[Q]]

I caught a little bit of this show in the History Channel called illegal drugs and their origins or something... interesting they were talking about weed and I immediately thought of this thread. I thought it was interesting that the Chinese and Indians were the first to use cannibus and it spread to the middle east before going to Europe.

[Christopherson]

Just because there are more important morals doesn't mean we should ignore the others. I think that the death of the American family and honesty can in a way be traced back to drug use. Drug use causes a lot of the promlems that cause people to lie about and end up breaking up families.

Never once have I said I wanted to increase the penalties for possesion of a small stash. I want to make it a harsher penalty to deal and produce drugs. I don't think it would necessarily deter people from exchanging needles. Sure they might be a little catious a first, but once they realized the weren't busting people, it wouldn't be a big deal.

As for my example about the sterilzation of crack whores, many people have argued that it isn't moral acceptable. They say it is basically a mandatory sterilization citing that the women are so addicted to the drug, they have practically no other option than to sterilize themselves. Your thoughts?

And on a side note, why the fuck would you want to have your cake if you couldn't eat it too???

[Axel]

There is no right reason to do drugs.

1. If you're Christian, you shouldn't be doing it. Your body is God's temple and you shouldn't be taking unecesary health risks.

2. If you're trying to avoid a tough/difficult time in your life, there are other, better ways to get through it. Try actually fixing the problem rather than avoiding it with drugs. Or if you're like me, I usually just take a nap when I feel like shit, or when I get overly stressed, worried, etc. I always feel better when I wake up.

3. Doing it for the pure enjoyment is also not a good reason. There are plenty of other things that you can do which are not harmful to your body, and others around you.

[Christopherson]

Amen, my brother.

I challenge anyone to come up with one legitatmatley good reason to do a drug, any drug.

[Jackal]

What is marijuana? It's a plant. It's like spinach. Just has a different effect on you. Like aloe, just different effect.

It's that person's body, if that person wants to use marijuana for their pleasure, who are you to judge them? It's a fucking plant. You talk about God and what not, he created marijuana, right? But ofcourse, not for that use...but ofcourse.

In all seriousness, what works for you, might not work for others. Why can't people just adopt a live & let live point of view? Jeez...

[[Q]]

There is no right reason to do drugs.

1. If you're Christian, you shouldn't be doing it. Your body is God's temple and you shouldn't be taking unecesary health risks.

so you're saying it's ok if you're not Christian? or if you're not Christian your body isn't God's temple? or both??

[R.J.]

I have never done it, becuase my uncle was addicted to illegal drugs and alcohol earlier in his life. Right now he lives in a shady apartment on welfare, he has no motivation to do anything like a job. He wants to move back in with my grandmother and grandfather. I personally believe that if I do something like that I will regret it for the rest of my life. I have a heavy conscience.

[Oznogrd]

by saying any drug you include antibiotics, which are extremely beneficial. Psychoactive drugs is a different story however i can give several good reasons for several conditions but i assume you're talking about the general public....

[Christopherson]

Anitbiotics. What a bunch of trivial bullshit.

Yeah, well all know smoking weed makes your pain go away yada yada yada. They give perscriptions for that. You know damn well the context in which I was speaking.

[Oznogrd]

look dude, dont say ANY if you dont mean ANY, you argued me on semantics before so i'll return the favor. And for you fucking information, i wasnt talking about pain i was talking about appetite. And the pill form of THC actually does not achieve the same effect as smoking it does in achieving the appetite increase...but for psychoactive drugs: it is a personal decision if you choose to or if you choose not to, i agree with don on the live and let live...as long as people are not fucking hurting anyone else (WHICH MOST ARENT) it is their decision to kill themselves (as was said very early on)...I've been advocating for consistency and logic in the policies (for instance same punishments for heroin/marijuana will never make sense to me) and a removal of stereotypes of users...we've presented our views, we're not gonna change each others mind...just make sure if you're going to argue, you choose your words carefully, you taught me to do that earlier so i'm going to do the same

[Yessie]

I dont do drugs, i just smoke weed. Drugs are bad for you

[Christopherson]

You said "It is their decision to kill themselves"

The promlem with that is, a lot of people who "decide to kill themselves" aka use drugs are on social programs like wealfare or medicaid. So when they decide to "kill themselves" who foots their medical bill? I do. You do. We all do. You see, it affects more than just themselves. Even if they have their own insurance, everyone's premiums go up when people do stupid things like taking drugs.

[Oznogrd]

*shrugs* i live a comfortable life, i'm not too worried if a couple bucks of my taxes goes to NEP's or to save someones life. And as i've been saying all along: if they take the drugs responsibly and reasonably (unless its crack or ecstasy) they're usually fine and get no health complications. Shit people get too addicted to caffeine, we fund them. People get addicted to jacking it and get carpal tunnel we treat them...there's alot stupider things to be footing the bill for. Alot of the addicts where they get to the point where they get treatment realize how they were fucking up and never touch the shit again. i can live and let live as you said...but i'm not letting you be ignorant and judge people. Just because you choose to use drugs does not make you stupid or even irresponsible. we also foot the bill for people faking disabilities. Or for people who truly need the programs like welfare and medicaid....If the people that truly need it get it but it happens to fund a couple of people who dont, i'm not too worried about it.

PS: saw your myspace and saw catholic...that explains alot....

[Christopherson]

You are an ignorant judgemental bastard yourself you know...

[Oznogrd]

I'm saying your sense of society and the issues it faces fits in with typical catholic viewpoints, nothing against it, just saying it makes sense. I am far from ignorant when it comes to the drug culture/issue.....However everyone is judgemental due to it being human nature. Bet you think i'm some 13 year old punk just arguing with you? But i'm the same age as you and from a religious background also. Try southern baptists out for 2 days...I know what i'm talking about and i'm not saying you dont, i'm just saying i'm ok with letting the drug culture leave well enough alone until it becomes a TRUE problem...a problem more important than our lack of healthcare for anyone, a problem more important than being in wars we shouldnt be in, a problem more important than obestiy, hell even HIV/AIDS is more important than the drug culture issue right now. It needs to be left on the backburner until we figure out other shit because we dont have the time or money to handle it in a proper way at the current point in time.

[cyanide]

If they take the drugs responsibly and reasonably (unless its crack or ecstasy) they're usually fine and get no health complications.

There are still consequences, though. A couple could have sex where they're doing it as safe as possible, but the consequence of having a kid is still there. From that point, they're responsible of either raising the kid or going through abortion, which may be something they don't want.

With drugs, there's no such thing as no consequences. There is a cause and an effect with drugs, and it may lead to damaging consequences, not to oneself, but to others.

I'm not one to determine how safe weed is, but in my opinon, I don't see anything beneficial about weed, as with alcohol or cigarettes. Coffee on the other hand...

[Axel]

There is no right reason to do drugs.

1. If you're Christian, you shouldn't be doing it. Your body is God's temple and you shouldn't be taking unecesary health risks.

so you're saying it's ok if you're not Christian? or if you're not Christian your body isn't God's temple? or both??

no, I was trying to make an appeal to all people, thats why I made the first one to Christians in general. Some of my other points were directed towards non-christians..

[dada]

I have never done it, becuase my uncle was addicted to illegal drugs and alcohol earlier in his life. Right now he lives in a shady apartment on welfare, he has no motivation to do anything like a job. He wants to move back in with my grandmother and grandfather. I personally believe that if I do something like that I will regret it for the rest of my life. I have a heavy conscience.

I know alot of people like that who have never smoked anything in their life.

[Christopherson]

Illini, I just thought it was funny that you are worried about the removal of stereotypes of smokers, and then you bring up some bullshit about how you can see me "sense of society and the issues it faces fits in with typical catholic viewpoints, nothing against it, just saying it makes sense." How hypocritical.

As for the rest of your post, thats the most logical thing I have heard you argue yet. However, just because a problem is put on backburner, doesn't mean it is 100% ignored, which is basically what is happening right now.

[Oznogrd]

the fact of you guys all being against it shows that its not being ignored...however like i said: i'm not holding it against you your catholic...everyone is a stereotype whether they like it or not and i'm just commenting. Maybe not the best comment and i apologize if you were offended, didnt mean it derogotarily (or however you spell it). Stereotypes are all around and everyone judges and uses them whether they mean to or not. I'm not trying to play high and mighty, i'm trying to say everbody's human. I'm done arguing this because netiher person is giong to sway the other. Its been fun and no hard feelings