Is anyone else upset that stuff was taken out?

by **cocobee** on Fri Jul 25, 2003 2:20 pm

Why make promises, then take them out--if you're not sure about a feature--don't freakin advertise it then take it away. Man, dynasty mode better be good and hopefully they'll bring back create a team feature. Will they still have authentic courts/stadiums? Or did they take that out too :cry:

by **Smoke316** on Fri Jul 25, 2003 3:34 pm

who said anythin bout them being taken out

by **DaManFromGapo** on Fri Jul 25, 2003 4:22 pm

I guess it happens...maybe it's a marketing strategy or something, to get players hyped about the game and possibly make a lot of pre-orders thus increasing sales and ultimately $$$.

Or maybe some things they promised because infeasible due to licensing or somesorts. Maybe it was just expensive.

Or maybe a feature was deemed unnecessary/ there was not enough time to put that feature in the game. who knows?

cheers!

by **Uzumaki** on Fri Jul 25, 2003 9:08 pm

What stuff has been taking out already? I haven't heard anything about it.

by **Full Surface** on Fri Jul 25, 2003 11:58 pm

EASports has a bad habit of taking shit out for no apparent reason. I went to the NBA Live 2003 site yesterday and I saw a screenshot of Vince Carter doing a "between-the-legs dunk". I tried to manipulate it on my own game but it wasn't working. So I looked up on these forums and found that it was taken out (which was complete bullshit). And then when you look back at the other previous games, they took out Create-A-Team, the Saving Option while in-game, 3Point Contest, etc.

by **havasufalls** on Sat Jul 26, 2003 1:51 am

i think they shouldnt say wats gonna be in the game unless they r sure it will. I was looking forward to the championship teams and from wat im hearing their gone now and that dissapoints me :cry:

At least if they were considering putting the teams in they could of said it was a consideration or that it was something they planned to do but were not 100% sure

by **Metsis** on Sat Jul 26, 2003 2:42 am

Man you people have no idea about software development...

The people have deadlines that must be met. If it means cutting something off the game, well it's gone. You really shouldn't get hyped about all the cool features on the initial list.

I'm happy that they took out the legendary teams instead of reverting the dynasty back to the 2003 franchise. If time needs to be saved on something, well then it needs to be done.

None of us here know what kind of pressure EA is putting on the team, and thus we shouldn't be that critical about them. They are doing the best job they can.

You try throwing a game together inside a year...

by **DANet** on Sat Jul 26, 2003 4:37 am

Gary Lam:
Unfortunately, due to some licensing issues there were way too many players whose rights the NBA could not secure. This would have meant not having some really important players on those championship teams.

There is the reason the championship teams were dropped...

The 92 bulls just wouldn't seem right if (for example) only Pippen, Perdue, Paxson, and Cartwright were on the roster...along with Roster Player1, Roster Player2, Roster Player3, Roster Player4 etc...

Of course...the PC users could patch like crazy to fill in all the holes (and complain that EA's laziness is forcing us to do it :roll:

)...but the console users would be stuck...and when decisions like this are made EA has to consider what is best for all platforms...

As for announcing it and then taking it out...I'm sure that at the time EA made the announcement they were 99.9% certain that that feature was going in the game...but things change...I seem to remember that Jordan was 99.9% sure he would never come back again after he retired :lol:

...

by **Swoosh** on Sat Jul 26, 2003 7:49 am

but if create a team is implented, my guess is patchers will do it also

, and i really dont mind so much that there arent classic teams like the 96 bulls and such, ok its a nice addition, but after a while it would just be a team, if the gameplay is good and franchise(dynasty)'s free agency repaired and well-put together(for me thats where live is all about) i will be more than happy to have 2004, but i understand if some of you are(already)disappointed, but it could be expected a lil', we just have to wait and hope, and else wait for 2005

by **cocobee** on Sat Jul 26, 2003 8:51 am

it looks like there was some gameplay changes, and with the addition of sliders that will help out a lot--i just hope this "dynasty" mode is well worth the hype. I too, will be happy with a solid franchise and gameplay--b/c i know these patchmakers will patch the hell out of this game--

BTW--bring back the customizable ditties!

by **Full Surface** on Sat Jul 26, 2003 10:03 am

Metsis wrote:Man you people have no idea about software development...

The people have deadlines that must be met. If it means cutting something off the game, well it's gone. You really shouldn't get hyped about all the cool features on the initial list.

I'm happy that they took out the legendary teams instead of reverting the dynasty back to the 2003 franchise. If time needs to be saved on something, well then it needs to be done.

None of us here know what kind of pressure EA is putting on the team, and thus we shouldn't be that critical about them. They are doing the best job they can.

You try throwing a game together inside a year...

I thought about this myself but EA needs to stop promising things unless they are 100% sure they can actually add it.

YouTube · by **Andrew** on Sat Jul 26, 2003 12:56 pm

I'm a little disappointed by the news since classic teams would have been cool, but I'm not angry at EA for taking it out. As Metsis said, it's probably the best thing that could be dropped due to time constraints. If they dropped Dynasty Mode for the old Franchise Mode or sliders or something gameplay related, then it would be much more disappointing.

Also, since legal issues (again) played a part here, it's not entirely EA's fault. If they couldn't get permission to include all of the necessary players, it's better that they don't release the game with classic teams that contain "Lakers Centre" and "Bulls Hair-Colour-Changing-Forward".

by **cocobee** on Sun Jul 27, 2003 12:55 am

yeah, I understand all that stuff, but why advertise something your're not 100% sure will make the game? Where i'm from it's called "Indian giving".But, I just hope this so called "dynasty" mode is well worth it--I'd be happy with trading draft picks. :lol:

by **the_yellow_dart** on Sun Jul 27, 2003 3:08 pm

I understand weighing the pro's and con's of a new feature too. But getting back to cocobee's original point, we should have never heard of classic championship teams to begin with. Hard for them to make a game within a year no doubt, but its not starting from scratch either, serious gamers expect only roster updates and subtle but consistent improvement. When you've been doing this year in, year out for as long as EA has I think its reasonable to expect them to have a clear picture of what is and isn't possible within their timeframe.

YouTube · by **Andrew** on Sun Jul 27, 2003 5:46 pm

Given that legal issues would have provided a stumbling block for such a feature, perhaps EA shouldn't have announced the inclusion of classic teams so early. But we can't count out the possibility that complications arose, such as not being able to come to an agreement with certain former players. Including the classic teams might have seemed possible a few months back, but something unexpected (perhaps players changing their mind about signing with EA) has forced them to abandon the idea.

by **malice_05** on Mon Jul 28, 2003 12:44 am

3-point shootout was a waste of a mode.
Maybe in the Season mode they can have a 3 point shootout before the All-Star game.

by **cocobee** on Mon Jul 28, 2003 2:09 am

I loved the 3 point shoot out--my girlfriend and I had many battles with that , we still play live 99 for the 3point shootout. She loves some "Glen Rice".---it's kinda funny--we were watching a Hornets game and she kept asking me why Glen Rice wasn't in the game :shock:

point being--girls are funny.

we should have never heard of classic championship teams to begin with

exactly my point.

by **havasufalls** on Mon Jul 28, 2003 3:00 am

3-point shootout was something u dont play by yourself much but wen it friends playing to it is fun to play so to me it is not a waste of a mode but it would be cool if u could enter one of ur players and play a 3-point contest before an allstar game

by **td3ph** on Mon Jul 28, 2003 3:35 am

I hope that they could bring back the screen where they show the half time players of the game. It helps add some realism with the tv style presentation of the game

by **brownie** on Mon Jul 28, 2003 6:05 am

Yes sir, I agreee, 3-point shooting was a good feature, specially for playing with friends :lol:

Lookin at the evolution of the game, I think people of EA have done some strange things. In my opinion a game must always improve things, so it's not logic to suppress some features, and I don't accept saying that some of them can be "a waste of feature" for most of the people. Instead of supressing features, why don't they just update them, and of course always ADD more new ones. Sometimes it looks like they have tried to make a big jump, but forgetting little detail-type features and aspects of the game.

À perfect example of what I am saying is the ingame save option. I will never understand why they removed it, why? just to f!*$ ???
:cry:

Hope they include it!!

by **crapman** on Mon Jul 28, 2003 9:33 am

How hard would it really have been? I woulda been fine with "Player" to fill the holes... And just make them resemble the guy. Or even go a step further and give them similar names to the real person.

Either way, do you really think all the old players would have asked them for money to be in the game? I think EA coulda just asked and more than half of them would of agreed to do it for free.. Maybe some would want compensation, but they could just not put those guys in.

I don't think they even bothered to try really. They probably just thought "Uhh, do we really want to call up all these guy's agents to get them in the game? Nahhh"

by **BIG GREEN** on Mon Jul 28, 2003 10:05 am

This really isn't a problem...people like don daily do classic teams..and im sure he will convert it to live 2004. The only problem is having marv say people's name instead of "number 23" blah blah. If EA continues their trend of allowing patches to their stuff..then we should be able to edit commentry. Some of us with voice talents and good sound software (me

)...can fill in those commentry blanks. After that..boom..classic teams ahoy!

YouTube · by **Andrew** on Mon Jul 28, 2003 12:28 pm

How hard would it really have been? I woulda been fine with "Player" to fill the holes... And just make them resemble the guy. Or even go a step further and give them similar names to the real person.

I don't think they'd be allowed to have a "Karim Abdel-Jabar" that looks suspiciously like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. And if they did go the way of "Roster Player" with a generic face, you know some people would complain that they made a half-hearted effort with the classic teams. Doesn't matter EA do when an idea doesn't work out as planned, they just can't win.

Either way, do you really think all the old players would have asked them for money to be in the game? I think EA coulda just asked and more than half of them would of agreed to do it for free.. Maybe some would want compensation, but they could just not put those guys in.

I think everyone would want money for their image and name to be included in a video game, considering how EA would be making money off the concept. EA are doing the right thing by not including authentic championship teams with all of the necessary players. It's a shame they announced the feature before it was a sure thing.

I don't think they even bothered to try really. They probably just thought "Uhh, do we really want to call up all these guy's agents to get them in the game? Nahhh"

That's a little cynical.

What's to say a lot of the players didn't agree, forcing them to can the idea? I think it's fair enough to say that EA made an error in judgment by announcing the idea when there was still a possibility it wouldn't be included. But I don't think it's fair to say they never tried.

by **EGarrett** on Mon Jul 28, 2003 10:47 pm

I'm a little disappointed by the news since classic teams would have been cool, but I'm not angry at EA for taking it out. As Metsis said, it's probably the best thing that could be dropped due to time constraints. If they dropped Dynasty Mode for the old Franchise Mode or sliders or something gameplay related, then it would be much more disappointing.

I think we're all being swallowed by the EA Live mentality. It's all rationalizing and reasons why certain things aren't in the game. They don't get a free ride with me anymore...Tiburon adds loads of new things to Madden every year with the same time constraints and even more players to deal with. They've also had classic teams for years and years and years.

I have an idea...how about instead of harping on why certain features can't be in the game...they see what they can put in. I really don't care if they don't have rights to the name...just put in the players number and ratings and allow players to change names. Then you could have a new feature instead of being lazy...which is better than nothing. I'm just really sick of these underachieving idiots messing up Live every year when Tiburon is continually making the greatest football game of all time every year and they still find ways to improve it. I've really had enough of this junk...

Some of us with voice talents and good sound software (me )...can fill in those commentry blanks. After that..boom..classic teams ahoy!

Would your voice fit-in with Marv Alberts? Maybe I should do it...I read radio news and do a good impression of Marv...[/quote]

YouTube · by **Andrew** on Mon Jul 28, 2003 11:09 pm

I think we're all being swallowed by the EA Live mentality. It's all rationalizing and reasons why certain things aren't in the game. They don't get a free ride with me anymore...Tiburon adds loads of new things to Madden every year with the same time constraints and even more players to deal with. They've also had classic teams for years and years and years.

Point taken, but it's not as if they've taken out Freestyle Control or Dynasty Mode. The lack of classic teams is something that doesn't bother me too greatly.

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