Lebanon/Israel

[rabbitx]

http://thestar.com.my/news/nastory.asp? ... rldupdates

my thoughts: Israel completely overreacting...

[BIG GREEN]

My thoughts: give a link to a news story or something for the ignorant ones; otherwise your thread is lacking...

[Indy]

Wow, this thread is incredibley late.

[Jackal]

You'd have to live under a rock if you don't know about the "story" as yet...

The situation has spiralled way out of control. They're shooting rockets off at eachother, isn't the UN supposed to prevent these kind of things?

[Big-D]

My thoughts are that wars like this are always going to happen. You just need to learn to tollerate each other even though you or your country hates there guts. With that said i would like the war to end in a timely manner with the least amount of casualties or other countries involved.

[Fenix]

I find it funny that most of Americans, even democrats (Hillary Clinton) root for Israel and that Bush said how Israel has the right to defend itself against terrorism and killing innocent civilians while they're the ones doing most of the killing. And anyone who says Israel should be stopped is labeled as an antisemite. This thing has gone too far.

(The whole Palestine vs. Israel thing is a completely different matter about which I could go on and on. I hate Israel with all my heart and if someone calls me antisemite, he'll get a swift kick in the balls. I mean, if I don't like Nigeria and its administration/people, does that makes me racist? Where's the logic? Israel is a country which shouldn't even exist and Israelis had NO right to take the land they live on now.)

[Dro]

(The whole Palestine vs. Israel thing is a completely different matter about which I could go on and on. I hate Israel with all my heart and if someone calls me antisemite, he'll get a swift kick in the balls. I mean, if I don't like Nigeria and its administration/people, does that makes me racist? Where's the logic? Israel is a country which shouldn't even exist and Israelis had NO right to take the land they live on now.)

Preach on, brother. If the US loves Israel so much, why not give them a bit of land? Hell, if anything, Germany should have to give up land to the Jews. What did the Palestinians ever do to them?

Honestly, I don't think the US minds this war all that much. Suddenly, Iraq isn't the top story anymore.

[Sac-1]

I don't get the point of killing 200+ people for just two soldiers. Nice job keeping the peace treaty alive.

[rabbitx]

My thoughts: give a link to a news story or something for the ignorant ones; otherwise your thread is lacking...

http://thestar.com.my/news/nastory.asp? ... rldupdates

I dont understand how people could have missed it though, its all over the news

I don't get the point of killing 200+ for just two soldiers. Nice job keeping the peace treaty alive.

Completely agree

Wow, this thread is incredibley late.

Yeah, I saw that noone had posted about it yet, so I figured better late than never

[Joe']

Israel is a country which shouldn't even exist and Israelis had NO right to take the land they live on now

I totally agree here. Though, it's UN's fault: they should have never give a land to Jewish people. It's just stupid. Even more when you think that actually there WAS a country in the territories the UN gave to Israel. (It's the same if I ask you: "would you give a land to Buddhist people even if you know that territory is Vietnamese or Chinese?")
"But...oh! Hitler was a crude man who killed six million jews so now we have to show some respect, giving them and own land"
FUCK THAT! I'm not saying Hitler was right on what he's done, but Jewish people proved that they're not better than Nazis, once again. (See the wars against Jordan, Egypt and Syria)
So I'm convinced that probably, if Hitler would have killed twenty million jews then the world would be a better place now.

[Dro]

^^^ Uhh...you went a bit too far buddy.

[Joe']

Can't I have an opinion about something?

[Jackal]

You can, but to say the world would've been better off if Hitler had killed 20 million jews is a bit atrocious.

That's like saying all black people should've been killed in the time of slavery so that black people wouldn't mug people. It's just not true and not right to say something like that.

Have an opinion, just try not to be so extreme while formulating your opinion. That was pushing it, a Jewish person frequenting the forum could be extremely take a-back by that comment and even appeal for some sort of action to be taken against you.

[Joe']

I'm sorry but I just can't stand everyone at the TV, at the Radio, etc. saying Lebanon, Palestina are wrong and Israel is right just because Israel has money and Palestina doesn't. I'm sorry to all the Jewish people, I'm not racist at all. I know most of the Jews are intelligent and smart people, and I admire them for that, and I know most of them are not dumb as the first minister/president of Israel is.

[BIG GREEN]

My thoughts: give a link to a news story or something for the ignorant ones; otherwise your thread is lacking...

http://thestar.com.my/news/nastory.asp? ... rldupdates

I dont understand how people could have missed it though, its all over the news

You don't understand it? Not everyone likes to watch world news or give a damn about what goes on around them. Some people are drones who only care about their own day to day existence as long as nothing affects them personally. If you dont understand that then you need to interact with more people; blatant ignorancy is quite common. In either case i'm only trying to keep the forum in order.

[benji]

I can't see why anyone would be opposed to Israel erasing Hezbollah from the face of the earth.

Unless, of course, you're a member of Hezbollah. In which case you should have no standing.

Israel hate is irrational. "Palestine" is "poor" because the rest of the Arab world shuns it. Always have and always will. Israel is the best thing to ever happen to the Middle East, it is the most advanced country there. It provides millions of jobs and untold economic advantages to the Arab populations nearby. It provides the backbone necessary to takes measures to eliminate groups like Hamas and Hezbollah.

but Jewish people proved that they're not better than Nazis, once again. (See the wars against Jordan, Egypt and Syria)

The Nazis desired a genocide of all "undesiribles" be they Jews, Christians, Gypsies, whatever.

Israel is leagues better than Nazi's.

Launching invasions of all of Europe to conquer it is far different from defensive wars against countries that attacked first that resulted in Israel holding land for a brief period before voluntarily letting it go. Rounding up "undesiribles" and exterminiating them is far different from allowing Arabs to come work in their country by the millionfold, let alone all the Arabs who live happily in Israel, the ones who voluntarily join the Israeli military, etc..

Interesting (and disturbing) how people will slander Israel, call them Nazi's and such. But when it comes to Nazi-incarnates like Hussein they'll defend them endlessly.

I find it funny that most of Americans, even democrats (Hillary Clinton) root for Israel and that Bush said how Israel has the right to defend itself against terrorism and killing innocent civilians while they're the ones doing most of the killing.

Why is it so hard for people to understand the difference between intentionally targeting innocents as Hezbollah has done for nearly three decades, and accidental unavoidable casaulties resulting from actions directed at terrorists (who are preventing civilians from leaving by force, are hiding their weapon caches and forces in civilian housing locations, etc.)?

Is the "intelligisa" point of view really so prevalent that people cannot look at things themselves instead of simply repeating the "popular" view?

isn't the UN supposed to prevent these kind of things?

How can the UN prevent anything when only a handful of it's member states even desire to enforce it's resolutions and principles?

Especially when one of the actors in this conflict (Hezbollah) is not a member state, but instead a group that strongarmed itself into a member states already puppet government.

It's not Israel vs. Lebanon. It's Israel vs. Hezbollah, a proxy of Iran.

This is the most important operation in the war in three years. Hopefully Israel can swiftly eliminate Hezbollah. And if it cannot, hopefully, others will find the testicular fortitude to assist it.

[8-Hype]

I don't get the point of killing 200+ people for just two soldiers. Nice job keeping the peace treaty alive.

I tell you. It's all the years that they attack Israel in regular periods. I live in Israel, and I have been involved in two terrorist attacks already (December 2003, April 2006). Why is everybody in this thread against Israel? Don't you all know what happens here in Israel regularly? In my opinion, Lebanon and Gaza have to be erased from the map, so that such things never happen again. They attack Israel steadily in some small ways, and now Israel is going to answer big-time so that there won't be any small attacks anymore. The Infantry is gonna attack today.

[Sac-1]

Are you serious? What happens in Israel daily? Oh my god, how about you find out what's been happening in Palestne and Lebanon for the past 30 years. Your making it sound like Lebanon and Palestine are the guilty one's.

Wait. Can someone answer this, why did Hezbollah kidnap the two soliders again? I'll answer that for you, because Israel put a whole bunch of inocent Lebanese people behind bars! Do you think that's fair? I understand Benji saying that it's not Israel vs. Lebanon but Israel vs. Hezbollah but why launch missiles into Lebanon knowing that you might kill some Hezbollah members but you will mostly kill inocent people?

I think they could have a better solution like making allies with the Lebanese goverment and figuring some kind of plan out to capture all or most of the Hezbollah members. Anyways, the point is, there are inocent people getting killed everyday now. I don't care what they do with Hezbollah but atleast don't just kill people randomly.

[Joe']

You all are forgetting that probably if Israel wasn't created artificially by the UN in the 50's then all this wouldn't be happening.
Israel had no right to take those territories that were part of the country of Palestine, back in the day, end point.
I'm sure Hezbollah (and the whole terrorist world) is a motherfucker, but probably he wouldn't be a terrorist leader if Israel, back in 1948, wouldn't have started to occupy territories of Palestine, and some other minor of Lebanon.
I'm saying they're not better than Nazis because they are using the same "expansionism (or whatever you call it in English)" theory Hitler and Mussolini used back in the 30's and the 40's.
You call the Muslims "religion-freaks" but I guess that if Muslims are "religion-freaks" then Jews are equal to them. They occupied territories that were part of another country just because the Jewish religion says that is the promise land for Jews. That's something that even a 9-year-older understands isn't right.
Why didn't they stay in Europe or in America? I don't fucking get it. They've never had a country for centuries, and there weren't unoccupied territories in the world (unless they wanted to live in South Pole), so why have they created the country anyways? You don't have a country = stay where you fucking are!
You're all defending Israel but the truth is "Israel" hasn't the right to exist. There isn't a land for Jews, as there isn't for Christians, Buddhists or Muslims. There are countries all over the world that have a majority of people that believes in one God, but it's never 100%, it doesn't exist the Christian Republic of Italy, the Federal Christian Republic of Germany or the Buddhist Republic Japan or whatever.
They should have stopped acting like little kids, trying to "live in the promise land" but I guess now it's too late. I just hope this war finishes as soon as possible.

[Sac-1]

I agree with you 100%. Everyone keeps saying "they are trying to eliminate terrorism" but where did terrorism come from in the first place? The Jews made people become terrorists because they took their land. I hate it when people say "the terrorists made all of this" when there wouldn't have been any if Palestine still had that land.

[8-Hype]

I tell you: If there had been more Arabs over the world than people of other religions, all the other countries wouldn't have existed anymore. They would sign a peace agreement that would stop them attacking Israel, but only for 60 years. After that time, or even before, they would get at Israel with much more power. Fact is, they have to be eliminated so that this agreement doesn't have to be established. And besides: There have been such agreements, and every single time they just wouldn't maintain it!

[Joe']

You're a little racist/nazi aren't you 8-Hype?
The fact is that Israel (as a country) shouldn't exist! Don't you get it?!?

[Sac-1]

Are you saying they are the one's attacking all the other countries? Get it through your head, the only Arabs that are involved in these wars are terrorist groups that were established because of the Jews taking Palestine's land. Also, don't say Lebanon started this one because it was Hezbollah not Lebanon(there is a difference between Lebanese people and Hezbollah). But too bad Israel has to now trap a whole bunch of inocent Lebanese people in Lebanon even though there war is with Hezbollah.

[rabbitx]

and people call americans stuckup and ignorant

[[Q]]

Yeah I don't agree with Israel attacking civilian targets because as it's been said here before, Hezbollah and Lebanon are two different entities.

As far as the whole Israel/Palestine issue goes, I tend to side with Palestine because after WWII, their land was given to the Jews and the reasoning was that the Jews lived on that land a long time ago. Well, most Americans side with the Israelis and I ask you this: Would you like it if the other countries in the world took your home/state/region and gave it back to the Native American tribes that use to live there? No. I don't think so. Please correct me if I'm wrong... I don't want to sound like another stupid ignorant American.