Official Toronto Raptors Thread.

by **Its_asdf** on Mon Jul 17, 2006 4:36 am

i dont think loren woods is enough

...loren woods is gone? aww man he was cool..and he wasnt as bad as araujo..he actualy got some shots in and stuff..oh well

So which one is it? Would you have liked to keep him or not?

by **iKe7in** on Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:14 am

Its like when a child has a ball, he only wants it when its taken away.

And btw jerry, Darrick Martin is also a free agent, and there are doubts that he will be back.

by **jerry** on Mon Jul 17, 2006 5:54 am

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loren woods was ok but he wouldnt be good enough to back rasho up..i thought he was the only c on the bench raptors had..thats why i said he woudlnt be enough..but i didnt expect him to go...

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well if they dont get darrick martin will they get someone else or will they stick with this team to see how it plays?

by **soccerdp** on Tue Jul 18, 2006 3:43 am

ok no one will want alvin williams cuz of his injuries and hes played like one game in 2 years...

and as for backup big men, well im thinkin more like the suns who played a smaller lineup a lot of times, so we could have humphries, bosh, rasho in the 4 or 5
everyone is saying humphries is did well in the summer league so maybe he might be able to take more time than we could rely on loren or araujo to take...

by **Raps13** on Tue Jul 18, 2006 6:36 am

soccerdp wrote:ok no one will want alvin williams cuz of his injuries and hes played like one game in 2 years...

Theres a clause in his contract, that if traded and waived by the team he was traded to he's off the cap. Or something similar to that, thats the reason why teams will take him, cap relief

by **iKe7in** on Tue Jul 18, 2006 8:29 am

Its a team option for next season. He could have been off the cap this year, but he had a player option, and DUH!! he excercised it. Personally I hate the fact that the NBA allows injured or even retired players to excercise options. He's basically earned about 20 million bucks while not playing a single game.

And the reason a team like Charlotte would take him is because they have cap room, and it would be possible to add something extra like draft picks or cash, and they free up a roster spot.

by **Raps13** on Tue Jul 18, 2006 10:04 am

iKe7in wrote:Its a team option for next season. He could have been off the cap this year, but he had a player option, and DUH!! he excercised it. Personally I hate the fact that the NBA allows injured or even retired players to excercise options. He's basically earned about 20 million bucks while not playing a single game.

The thing I wanted to see happen, was for Alvin to retire D'UH! But who is going to just walk away from all that money? Nobody will. So the thing I wanted to see was for Alvin to retire and the Raps hire him as a scout or assistant in some capacity for the same amount of money he would have made as a player. Sure he would be the highest paid scout but who cares, he's off the cap and your giving away money your going to be spending anyways

by **iKe7in** on Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:59 am

He has all but retired, but even if he was retired, he could still excercise his player option and earn all that money.

So the thing I wanted to see was for Alvin to retire and the Raps hire him as a scout or assistant in some capacity for the same amount of money he would have made as a player. Sure he would be the highest paid scout but who cares, he's off the cap and your giving away money your going to be spending anyways

Unfortunately the cap doesn't work that way. He only way to get someone off the cap is to trade him. Even buying out his contract still keeps him on the cap (see Alonzo Mourning). But the thing is that as long as he is injured, although the team does pay his salary, they get it all back in insurance.

I don't have a big problem keeping him just to sit on the end of the bench and earn $90,000/hr to do nothing, because next summer when his contract and Mourning's come off the cap, we'll have some spending money again, hopefully to resign Mo Pete, and to give T.J. Ford an extension.

by **[L3]1101** on Tue Jul 18, 2006 1:54 pm

Yes, signing Ford and Mo Pete to an exention is the next thing the Raptors must do. As for William's contract, i really don't care any more. It seems like BC has made most of the moves he needs this offseason, and we are still under the cap. He's contract will come off next year, or maybe trade him to a team that need some cap relief next summer.

by **Raps13** on Wed Jul 19, 2006 7:42 am

Unfortunately the cap doesn't work that way. He only way to get someone off the cap is to trade him. Even buying out his contract still keeps him on the cap (see Alonzo Mourning). But the thing is that as long as he is injured, although the team does pay his salary, they get it all back in insurance.

Noramlly your right but I'm 99% sure, unless something changed in the new CBA that if he retires for basketball occured injuries we can apply for "injury cap relief". Where as his salary comes off the cap. But if that happens he doesn't get any money, where in my idea both parties are happy

Though it's never going to happen

by **iKe7in** on Thu Jul 20, 2006 6:49 am

Don't know where you're coming up with these rules. No matter what, unless we trade him, his salary is on the cap. There is no way to get out of it. The "Allan Houston" rule that was temporarily insituted after the CBA was ratified allowed teams to avoid luxury taxes on certain contracts, but they're still on the cap. But never has their been an oportunity to rid your cap of a contract without a trade.

by **nets4life** on Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:31 pm

salmons has officially backed out of the toronto deal

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi ... onto_deal/

by **Its_asdf** on Sun Jul 23, 2006 12:32 am

It wasn't that big of a deal. The SF/SG positions are already mostly filled for the Raptors anyway.

by **[L3]1101** on Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:39 am

It would've been nice to have a verstile player like Salmons though. But we are better off with no Salmons than a unhappy Salmons. I wonder where he's going next?

As for the Raptors, i have a feeling we are gonna be involved in a trade, which is for now the best way to get a player we like. FA market has pretty much dried up for the Raptors, where all the remaining good FAs have other teams in mind.

by **jerry** on Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:44 am

maybe we can steal the remaining FA's away with big money :twisted:

by **iKe7in** on Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:45 am

Salmons made a big mistake here. Nobody else is going to be willing to give him a similar deal, both in term and in money. His only other opportunity was Phoenix, but they've spent their money on Banks. Its pretty clear he's not going back to Philly, so he's gonna have to hope that someone like Atlanta or Charlotte are willing to sign him to an offer sheet.

I think Salmons was the final move Colangelo wanted to make, so I know I think he'll be looking to deal for something else now. But I'd be happy if we just signed Garbajosa and left it at that, and just start the season as is. If there are glaring issues, then try to do something.

by **jerry** on Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:50 am

yay garbajosa! but wait a min..garbajosa is a little short for c, and we alraedy have bosh, bargnani, and humphries at pf..hmm

by **[L3]1101** on Sun Jul 23, 2006 7:16 am

Garbajosa can play SF, but he'll play PF mainly. Bosh and Bargs will play C from time to time, and while Garbajosa can play the back up PF. Humphries will be on the bench mainly. I don't see Humphries stealing minutes from Garbajosa.

by **soccerdp** on Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:53 am

i think humphries will get more minutes than you think...
out of everyone in the summer league, he was probably most impressive (not that he was amazing, but a lot better than we thought and better than most of the other guys on the team)...
i still think that with what we have it would be difficult to trade someone without sending away one of our top players (bosh, mo pete... and i dont see that happening) because honestly who wants alvin williams or darrick martin??

by **jerry** on Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:01 am

well i was reading the sun this morning again and it seems that since salmons backed out, the raptors are eyeing fred jones from the pacers... i think that would be great..but then we would have sg/sfs fighting for minutes..

it would be

mo-pete/joey graham/uros slokar
anthony parker/fred jones/the 2nd round draft pick forgot his name from texas

by **Its_asdf** on Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:23 am

Fred Jones is a tweener with an inconsistent jump shot. No thank you.

by **jerry** on Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:28 am

well hes a good dunker :twisted:

by **Its_asdf** on Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:31 am

You see? These are the kind of garbage replies that everyone does not want you to make. Stop posting unless you have to post something that isn't spam.

by **J@3** on Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:06 am

Jerry if you don't start posting like someone with a fully functional brain I'll ban you on suspicion of being nikkolas/powerhoward/PinoyIDOL or anything else no one likes.

by **cyanide** on Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:00 am

Its_asdf wrote:Fred Jones is a tweener with an inconsistent jump shot. No thank you.

It looks like it's happening. I hope Indy thinks highly of him.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Conten ... ar/Layout/
Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1153605014838&call_pageid=969907729483&col=970081562040

Edit: I cut the link in half because it made that stupid long sidescroll which makes reading difficult.

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