Chicago Bulls Thread

[Fenix]

Screw you, I want Aldridge . I like this guy, his potential and how he would in into this system, but at the end of the day, I'll root for anyone Paxson drafts.

And I firmly believe Bulls could get someone who would fit a need of a tall, defensive minded guard at #16 (or you use #16 and Duhon to move up).

[Mayerhendrix]

Screw you, I want Aldridge . I like this guy, his potential and how he would in into this system, but at the end of the day, I'll root for anyone Paxson drafts.

And I firmly believe Bulls could get someone who would fit a need of a tall, defensive minded guard at #16 (or you use #16 and Duhon to move up).

Saer Sene seems like one of the most promising big men in the draft, might be around at 16.

[Fenix]

Yeah, Bulls are reportedly crazy about him. I've seen that youtube video of him (click here) and he looks a very promising prospect to me, if he's indeed only 20 years old. His frame looks like it could easily get 20 pounds on it, he has quick hops, runs the floor hard and hustles as hard as any 7 footer. His footwork is non-existant, though, and so is the rest of his offensive skills. But that size/length, athleticism and instincts in combination with heart are mind bogling. Best case scenario is a rich man's Samuel Dalembert and if Pax is going to trade Chandler (poor work ethic, bad hands, no offensive skills), this is definitely a suitable guy to replace him with.

[scrub]

Looks pretty good and he is a complete beast. I think if they can develop him right we may see another era of dominant big men with Saer Sene, Greg Oden, Dwight Howard, Amare Stoudamire and maybe Darko

[Fenix]

Darko > all. Although the situation does look like it's gonna improve. I think this 'run&gun' period is just a phase NBA is going through, but it won't hold on for a longer term. Who are the biggest inside threats right now? Shaq, Duncan. They have both what?, 7 championship ring out of the last 8? That tells you something. And this League is filled with young big who have all the potential to achieve that status of a big post threat - Dwight Howard, Darko (more of a outside/inside game, but lets face it - he's gonna dominate anywhere you put him ), Andrew Bogut, Al Jefferson, Amare Stoudemire, Andrew Bynum, Yao Ming, Nenad Krstic, Chris Kaman,... And you still have Aldridge, Oden, Hawes and others coming in. And most of them aren't made for run&gun game, but will kill you in the halfcourt. Are they Hakeem/Ewing/Shaq/Robinson caliber players? Of course not (with a possible exception of Oden, Howard, Amare and of course Darko), but we don't need 4 great ones, we need a lot of good post players who will hurt your team if you put a 6'9 SF on them.

That is why Bulls are picking Aldridge. He'll complement Oden perfectly .

[beau_boy04]

in this article http://www.sltrib.com/jazz/ci_3975090 they praised Greg Oden so much damn... Oden is being placed on the same sentence with Wilt Chamberlain, Shaquille O'neal and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar already and he hasn't even played a minute on the NBA. I hope he can handle all the hype just as good as Lebron James. This guy in the article mentioned that Oden would have gone #1 pick overall in the 2004 draft after his sophmore year in high school and ahead of top picks Howard and Okafor.... damn that is soooommmee statement. I haven't seem this guy played but according to wha everybody is saying this guy is destined for stardom.

Now when he enters the NBA and in case he can't average 20+ppg, 10+rpg and 2+bpg then I don't know about the Wilt Chamberlain comparison. That's why he will improve tremendously in his college and make him even more NBA ready.

[Fenix]

I trully believe Oden will be a great centre barring injures, but he doesn't really have an comparison among other great centres of the past. Body-wise, he has a strong frame with little body fat, so he doesn't come from the skinny tribe of Olajuwon and Robinson (had muscles, but on a small frame). He's actually stronger than Shaq at this point of their career, but he won't play at over 300 pounds. Shaq was the kind of guy who has athleticism first and then grows into his body, while Oden will also gain a lot of muscles, but his true psychical potential lies in his athleticism. He's a pretty quick jumper with outstanding vertical (a la Dwight Howard), he's fast and quick for someone his size, but he has tons of development to go through in this area. When he's finished with it, he'll be the most psychicaly dominant player since... well, Shaq.

Offensively, he's primarily a back to the basket kind of player with big, soft hands and with an improving array of skills. He doesn't have a Shaq's free throw problem (he shot around 79% from the FT line this past season) and he reportedly already developed a midrange shot. He's relies more on the fundamentals than on the sheer power and athleticism, like Shaq does. He's more like athletic, 7'1 version of Duncan in that area (don't get me wrong, he'll probably never have as advanced post skills as Duncan has, I'm just describing his style of play).

Defensivelly, he's a monster. Blocks (man to man, weakside), steals, man defense, team defense. He'll definitely become the baddest defensive player since Hakeem. I only hope his current injury (wrist) won't keep him away for too long. I want him in next year's draft.

(This is just my opinion I got from reading scouting reports and having watched him play in the McDonald's game.)

[Fenix]

Bulls and Boston discussing #16 and Duhon for #7. Holy shit. Bulls could get Aldridge AND Thomas (or Brewer, if Thomas is off the board and considering Bulls would still lack a guard). Excuse me while I change my pants.

[air gordon]

I think this 'run&gun' period is just a phase NBA is going through, but it won't hold on for a longer term. Who are the biggest inside threats right now? Shaq, Duncan. They have both what?, 7 championship ring out of the last 8? That tells you something. .

Unless the NBA changes back the rules to allowing handchecking & no zone defenses, the game will continue to be geared towards guard play.

all those post players you mentioned aren't classic back to the basket players. the C/PF position is evolving. Even Duncan has turned into a more "face up"/jump shooter then post player

As far as Oden. who knows. i'll wait until next year and see how the Knicks fare before getting excited

That rumored Boston-Bulls deal- too good to be true? there have been posts at the other site of nabbing Roy at #2 since Thomas may slip to #7. I don't like this strategy.

I would be very happy if the Bulls can come away with Aldridge/Thomas + Brewer

but i won't get my hopes high for that deal. Duhon is the prototypical SKiles/Paxson player- i'm not sure those 2 be willing to trade away one of it's team leaders (and leave the backup PG duties to Pargo, Gordon, Brewer)

[air gordon]

the Sam Smith of espn, chad ford, mentions the hot rumor going around is:
Chandler +16th for Murphy, Pietrus, and 9th

this is a no brainer deal Paxson should jump on. Murphy's crapiness is worth trading for if they can get BOTH Pietrus and move up 7 spots.

ironically enough, Fenix, this is the type of deal you dreamed up earlier. and as i said earlier- I think this is too good to be true.

i think Mullin is pushing for some deal invovling Chandler & Murphy but Paxson is in full lowball move and insisting the draft picks be swapped plus Pietrus be included

a little more then 24hrs left until the draft

[ataman5]

guys what do you think n what do you know about bulls getting ben wallace or KG rumours??

[Jugs]

That they're rumours.

[Silas]

Ben Wallace I'm sure will test the free agent market to make Detroit Nervous and pay him more. He could make more with Atlanta or Chicago or Toronto or Charlotte, but I think he'll resign with the Pistons, though they'll pay him probably a bit more than they want to.


KG wont be traded though, thats for sure.

[Fenix]

the Sam Smith of espn, chad ford, mentions the hot rumor going around is:
Chandler +16th for Murphy, Pietrus, and 9th

this is a no brainer deal Paxson should jump on. Murphy's crapiness is worth trading for if they can get BOTH Pietrus and move up 7 spots.

ironically enough, Fenix, this is the type of deal you dreamed up earlier. and as i said earlier- I think this is too good to be true.

i think Mullin is pushing for some deal invovling Chandler & Murphy but Paxson is in full lowball move and insisting the draft picks be swapped plus Pietrus be included

a little more then 24hrs left until the draft

I heard that one before and truly is too good to be true. I'm not a big Murphy fan, but I like his attitude and his salary is still not as bloated as Chandler's, not to mention that the possibility of Murphy improving his D (and the rest of his game) is far greater than the one of Chandler developing any recognizable skills at all.

Pietrus is teh pwn, when healthy. Problem is - he's injury prone. But still, considering he's on his rookie contract, that he's a top notch defender who can come off the bench and would fit in nicely in the Gordon - Hinrich - Duhon rotation, he's worth trading for.

And getting #9 is awesome as hell. If the Houston-Atlanta rumours are correct (Roy-Williams swap) and if Boston is really going to choose a PG, a player like Thomas could most definitely fall all the way to #9.

Some random Chicago official reportedly said Boston deal is dead. Actually, you were right. I'd rather have the current guard rotation with Duhon than losing him only to replace him with a taller player. Bulls need Duhon AND a taller guard and CD is simply too good to lose only to move up a spot or ten.

[beau_boy04]

the Sam Smith of espn, chad ford, mentions the hot rumor going around is:
Chandler +16th for Murphy, Pietrus, and 9th

this is a no brainer deal Paxson should jump on. Murphy's crapiness is worth trading for if they can get BOTH Pietrus and move up 7 spots.

ironically enough, Fenix, this is the type of deal you dreamed up earlier. and as i said earlier- I think this is too good to be true.

i think Mullin is pushing for some deal invovling Chandler & Murphy but Paxson is in full lowball move and insisting the draft picks be swapped plus Pietrus be included

a little more then 24hrs left until the draft

Why would Golden State trade Murphy and Pietrus and the 9th pick for Chandler and the 16th pick? it doesnt make sense to me at all coz Murphy and Pietrus are both better than Chandler.

[Andrew]

the Sam Smith of espn, chad ford, mentions the hot rumor going around is:
Chandler +16th for Murphy, Pietrus, and 9th

this is a no brainer deal Paxson should jump on. Murphy's crapiness is worth trading for if they can get BOTH Pietrus and move up 7 spots.

ironically enough, Fenix, this is the type of deal you dreamed up earlier. and as i said earlier- I think this is too good to be true.

I'd be for that deal as well, but as you said it just seems too good to be true. I don't see Golden State's motivation for making that trade, unless Chandler's on the verge of breaking out into a fully fledged superstar and none of us can see it. If that was the case, I'd rather they keep Chandler, but seeing as that's highly unlikely I can't see why the Warriors would agree to that swap.

[Its_asdf]

Murphy is pretty much the Warriors frontcourt until Diogu and Biedrins develop a little more, but if the Warriors are stupid enough to sign Foyle and Fisher to those ridiculous contracts then I guess anythings possible.

[Fenix]

Chad ford (yeah, I now) said Pax told him that he's deciding between TT, Aldridge and Bargnani and that Skiles didn't like TT when he came to workout. Considering there's a possibility Toronto is smokescreening everything they do, I have a feeling in my guts that Bargnani could be the one, if he's available at #2.

[KDWilliams85]

If I were to take any trade from Golden State, it would be J-Rich or no deal. Gordon's a scorer for us and I think Gordon is better suited for the point than Hinrich is.

I think Chandler, Hinrich, #16 for J-Rich and Monta Ellis.

[Its_asdf]

I'm sorry, but thats just even more unrealistic than the other rumour.

J-RIch is their franchise player and although they need a big man, I don't think they should take on Chandler's huge contract especially since he is yet to prove anything (and I doubt he will in the future). Hinrichs a good player and all, but they already have Baron Davis and it'd be pretty pointless to trade for him.

[KDWilliams85]

I'm sorry, but thats just even more unrealistic than the other rumour.

J-RIch is their franchise player and although they need a big man, I don't think they should take on Chandler's huge contract especially since he is yet to prove anything (and I doubt he will in the future). Hinrichs a good player and all, but they already have Baron Davis and it'd be pretty pointless to trade for him.

Not really. When you think about the teams in the West, a lot of them run a two PG set up. Baron Davis has a more 2 guard feel while Hinrich is a true point guard. Phoenix had great success with a smaller lineup. The Knicks had... well... some success with it. Dallas had great success with Stack coming off the bench.

Golden State has the big men necessary to make a push one day. They just need to be able to outmaneuver the match-ups they see because they can't outpower them.

[Fenix]

I'd stab someone if Hinrich was traded. He pwns Baron Davis all the way. Actually, I'd say Hinrich alone should get us Richardson and I still wouldn't do it. Gordon, better at PG than Hinrich? You should get banned for this. I'd trade Hinrich only if Bulls got a franchise player in return (a la Lebron) and not for JR, a second tier star. I just can't get it. Why? Isn't he one of the best if not the best defensive PG in the League? Isn't he smart enough? What is it that you think Richardson would help us win more games than Hinrich? With replacing him with Richadson, we wouldn't get better on offense, not if you take in account that you would lose a lot of quality playmaking, and we'd certainly get worse on perimeter D, which is one of Bulls' main attributes. It just makes no sense.

[KDWilliams85]

I didn't say he was better. I said he's better suited because there are more athletic point guards in the league. Davis... Iverson... Terry... Arenas... J. Johnson...

Hinrich is smarter but he doesn't necessarily make smart decisions. I've seen Gordon make more plays than Hinrich. Gordon's a slasher guard like Francis and he could make a killing on teams that focus on guarding a bigger 2 like J-Rich.

You gotta give a little to get a little here. We may lose perimeter D and an interior lineman, but we get the bigger two we need and still get our crack at Aldridge, Thomas, or we can move down and snag two late round talents.

J-Rich may be a two-tier star but consider who his competition is out there. Kobe, T-Mac, Ginobili, and Ray Allen. The East only has Pierce, LeBron, and Wade. J-Rich could establish himself as a superstar better in the East than he ever could in the West. Besides, he has been an All-Star(I think) and that's enough for me. The Bulls haven't had an All-Star caliber player since Elton Brand. Gordon is close, if not already is, a legitimate scorer.

I want Hinrich to stay too but he may need to go to get someone who can put us over the top.

[Fenix]

I agree Bulls need someone to put them over the top, but Jason Richardson is not the one. Hell, he didn't even lead his own team to the playoffs. Ever. He's a good SG. Nothing more. He's not Kobe or T-Mac. Hinrich is a better PG than JR a SG. Not to mention that I don't get where you're getting at with saying that Gordon is better than Hinrich, because he's more athletic. a.) Hinrich can defend ANYONE and is way, way better on D than anyone you have mentioned up there and b.), he gets the job done on offense. Gordon is a scorer. That is what he is. He's not a point guard. Could he be? Yes, he could, but not as good as Hinrich, not to mention that he's A LOT worse on defense.

And Gordon is not a slasher.

[KDWilliams85]

I've seen Gordon get to the hole against bigger players. That's enough slashin' for me.