Bush Letting Aliens into US

[ShAuN]

Im not familiar with Nixon so.....yea.... anyways if theres anything more to talk about lets get back on topic.....I was just saying that everyone though Clinton was sooo great so I just brought that up.....sorry and lets drop that part.

[Jackal]

It amazes me that about 75% of the people that posted here think the US should let illegal aliens in the country that jumped the border and probally committed tons of crims in Mexico.

Bad things happen to people that feel they can get away with racist remarks, even if it is just directed towards "border jumpers that are from Mexico and constantly commit crimes". Especially after having been warned a bunch of times, you kept calling them aliens. Get it through that fat fucking ugly skull of yours, that's RACIST.

Riot, I don't care if that's the usual term in the States, it's not the usual term on the forums and as long as people want to post on the forums, they'll just have to follow the forum set rules.

[debiler]

I'm sorry to interrupt here, but I always thought alien was the term for a foreigner or stranger. So wouldn't it be correct if you're talking about illegal immigrants? As you can see, I'm from Germany. So please, enlighten me, I really want to know.

And, oh yeah: ShAuN is so completely full of shit, I can't believe it. The best generalization ever: THEY ALL COMMIT CRIMES. Sure. Maybe all Americans are illiterate, annoying and just plain dumb. At least that's the notion I get from reading ShAuN's posts.

Woo, I can't wait for ShAuN's response. I'm sure it will include either 'Hitler', 'Nazi' or 'Kraut'. Most likely all 3 of them...

[J@3]

We call them "illegal aliens" in Australia too, I'm fairly sure they do it in England. Awell, the Prime Minister better not post here otherwise he'd get banned

[Jackal]

That's the first I'm hearing of it, I've never heard mexicans or any other "minoroties" be reffered to as aliens. I think it's quite offensive, now I hear that the Prime Minister does it?

In any case, we're not missing out on much from ShAuN, the debate however can be carried on by Riot, Mentally Hilarious and anyone else willing to participate.

[cyanide]

Isn't 'alien' a ye olde English way of saying 'immigrants' or 'foreigners' ? Either way, I still think of those bug eyed skulls with small thin bodies. And no, I'm not talking about the Mexicans.

[koberulz]

btw let me rename the thread....now that I think about it there was a worse president then Bush....COUGH **CLINTON** COUGH

The edit button is your friend. There you go. You have one.

[Emiliano]

ShAuN..........first of all, you are getting too carried away with this. I'm an immigrant and by your words I feel like you are acting like immigrants are worthless and don't deserve to be in this country. You are acting like immigrants are all criminals. Well, that's not the case. Most immigrants, including my family and I, came here for a purpose and that's better future and better living. Besides why do you care so much? I bet that stores you go to and things you do in everyday life are done by immigrants trying to have better opportunities for their families. All immigrants are not bad, in fact I bet every immigrant is here for only one reason: a better life.

[Jackal]

He won't be replying.

[Fewrookies-From2kW/Love]

ShAuN..........first of all, you are getting too carried away with this. I'm an immigrant and by your words I feel like you are acting like immigrants are worthless and don't deserve to be in this country. You are acting like immigrants are all criminals. Well, that's not the case. Most immigrants, including my family and I, came here for a purpose and that's better future and better living. Besides why do you care so much? I bet that stores you go to and things you do in everyday life are done by immigrants trying to have better opportunities for their families. All immigrants are not bad, in fact I bet every immigrant is here for only one reason: a better life.

The drop out rates among immigrates a quite high.

[Ruff Ryder]

ShAuN..........first of all, you are getting too carried away with this. I'm an immigrant and by your words I feel like you are acting like immigrants are worthless and don't deserve to be in this country. You are acting like immigrants are all criminals. Well, that's not the case. Most immigrants, including my family and I, came here for a purpose and that's better future and better living. Besides why do you care so much? I bet that stores you go to and things you do in everyday life are done by immigrants trying to have better opportunities for their families. All immigrants are not bad, in fact I bet every immigrant is here for only one reason: a better life.

The drop out rates among immigrates a quite high.

Well that's probably what they came here for, not realizing exactly what they would have to undergo.

[Riot]

Illegal alien is not concerned an offensive term in America, either.

[R.J.]

Or Herbert Hoover. Certainly not Bush. He has been bad at times, but not as bad as others.

[shadowgrin]

Well that's probably what they came here for, not realizing exactly what they would have to undergo.

True, and when they become a burden to society because of their own fault and ignorance they pass the blame to the system.

Immigrants shouldn't be generalized, as Emiliano said some of them do work hard, live a better law abiding life, and contribute to the betterment of the country.

So if Shaun makes another dumbass generalization without backing it up, I'm going to wage a personal flame war with him here on the NLSC. Banning be damned!

EDIT: I DON'T KNOW CYANIDE. I DON'T FUDGIN' KNOW!

[Axel]

Immigrants shouldn't be generalized, as Emiliano said some of them do work hard, live a better law abiding life, and contribute to the betterment of the country.

True, but I don't think we should make exceptions for the totality just because a few happen to work.

Let me make it clear though, I am referring to illegal immgrants. I have nothing against those who enter according to the rules.

[cyanide]

Well that's probably what they came here for, not realizing exactly what they would have to undergo.

[/color]

What the? Why are people quoting me when I didn't say anything?

[shadowgrin]

^ I'm sorry for the 2nd time cyanide.
Too many forum windows open..gets too confusing..maybe because I'm hungry.
Mmm..food..
Already edited that post.

[Fewrookies-From2kW/Love]

This Dude's story

I am mad as hell. The existing immigration laws, ignored by both the "colonists" and by my elected officials, are fine just as they are. All that is needed is enforcement.

Yes, he is quite right. The current laws are not being enforced. Whats people think the new law (if pass) will be enforced?

I blame Republicans for seeing illegals as a source of cheap labor, and I blame Democrats for seeing them as voters who will return them to power.

Both parties are at fault?

Your front page on April 10 read, "Immigrants aim to fill the streets of America." It should have read, "Invaders from the south aim to make U.S. Mexico."

Is the US turning into a Mexico2?

The fact is, we have a sign on the border that says "Get through and we will give you a job." The only real solution is to levy stiff fines against employers. If employers won't hire illegals, then everyone who isn't already firmly entrenched will go home.

I, like most Americans, believe they should all be deported

How are we going to do that? There is 11 million of them running out there.

[Emiliano]

ShAuN..........first of all, you are getting too carried away with this. I'm an immigrant and by your words I feel like you are acting like immigrants are worthless and don't deserve to be in this country. You are acting like immigrants are all criminals. Well, that's not the case. Most immigrants, including my family and I, came here for a purpose and that's better future and better living. Besides why do you care so much? I bet that stores you go to and things you do in everyday life are done by immigrants trying to have better opportunities for their families. All immigrants are not bad, in fact I bet every immigrant is here for only one reason: a better life.

The drop out rates among immigrates a quite high.

That's not my point though. I understand that there are immigrants that might be bad but what social group doesn't? (by that i mean whites, blacks, hispanics, asians, etc). All I'm saying is that the way ShAuN portrays immigrants as a whole.

[Cameron]

Just wanted to reply to up above...

I liked Mentally Hilarious' post about getting to the root of the cause: the employers.

Riot's main point was that the immigrants are willing to work for less so that's how they steal the jobs. (I agree about the point of going back to their own country, though. Either work in the country or don't). I don't like this statement though - it really is the employer who is the bad guy. I mean, if Nike has the choice between opening a shoe factory in the US or opening a sweatshop in Indonesia, and they choose the sweatshop, is it the indonesian peoples' fault that the US didn't get a factory because they are "willing" to work for less? I know they're not moving into the US to do it, but again, if the companies didn't present the opportunity then the immigrants would have no reason to do what they're doing.

[Riot]

But if the immigrants weren't here illegally in the first place they wouldn't have to illegally be hired. The reason why they are hired for less because they can't be turned in and they don't have the legal papers. They are desperate to get money so the companies pay them less for more work.

The problem with illegal immigrants isn't just that, there are is a collection of problems that they bring here (disease, drugs, crime, welfare, etc) along with the jobs situation. The problem with your situation, Cameron, is that it is an entirely different problem. Having U.S. companies outsource to other countries (namely India) is another issue that needs to be addressed, too.

You can "respect" illegal immigrants all you want, but they are doing illegal activity and they really are hurting the American society and the American family. If you want to come here then come here the legal way and come here with a goal and a dream. Don't come here thinking you'll be hand fed freedom and prosperity because that isn't how it is.

[Fewrookies-From2kW/Love]

But if the immigrants weren't here illegally in the first place they wouldn't have to illegally be hired. The reason why they are hired for less because they can't be turned in and they don't have the legal papers. They are desperate to get money so the companies pay them less for more work.

The problem with illegal immigrants isn't just that, there are is a collection of problems that they bring here (disease, drugs, crime, welfare, etc) along with the jobs situation. The problem with your situation, Cameron, is that it is an entirely different problem. Having U.S. companies outsource to other countries (namely India) is another issue that needs to be addressed, too.

You can "respect" illegal immigrants all you want, but they are doing illegal activity and they really are hurting the American society and the American family. If you want to come here then come here the legal way and come here with a goal and a dream. Don't come here thinking you'll be hand fed freedom and prosperity because that isn't how it is.

I once had a friend(immigrant friend) told me that her friend(illigal immigrant friend) did something to get fired just so she can get welfar.....the basterds.