Awards Time

by **CERVANTES** on Fri Apr 07, 2006 11:39 pm

Laxation wrote:Is your cousin aware that Terry is a starter?

I was surprised about that, because he watches NBA on TV almost everyday too...

by **Ty-Land** on Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:25 am

Mvp: Nash
DPOY: AK47 hopefully, or Gerald Wallace, both have had great years
MIP: Diaw: Sensational numbers and veratility for a guy who was 'thrown in' on a trade
ROTY: Wish it was Bogut, but it will clearly be Paul
6th Man: Would have said Mo Williams earlier in the year, but Mike Miller seems to have taken a clear lead now
Coach: Not Terry Stotts for obvious reason, hopefully Avery Johnson for bring the D back to Dallas
Executive: Larry Harris had a solid offseason for the bucks, so either him or Danny Ferry or GM of the Nuggets

by **BIG GREEN** on Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:30 am

As i was telling jae...it seems the mvp is about who's the most valuable player on the best team...as opposed to who's the most valuable player in the league. I apparantly mis-understood the purpose of the award..seeing as nash won it last year and billups is in such high consideration this year.

by DB on Sat Apr 08, 2006 7:42 am

Yohance Bailey wrote:As i was telling jae...it seems the mvp is about who's the most valuable player on the best team...as opposed to who's the most valuable player in the league. I apparantly mis-understood the purpose of the award..seeing as nash won it last year and billups is in such high consideration this year.

I agree.

P.S Kobe vs Nash tonight... :twisted:

by **artestfighttrainer** on Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:34 am

MVP - Nash
DPOY - Camby
MIP - Diaw
ROTY - Paul
6th Man - Miller
Coach - Saunders
Executive - Hornets GM

Idiot Awards
Players - Artest (use ur fists not ur mouth), Telfair and the gun on plane, The Sophmore PG from Boston who was involved in some gang related incident and Kandi Man no explanation req.
Coach: Brown for bringing Franchise to MSG and Atlanta's Coach for a season lil bit better but still mediocre.
Executive: Isiah Thomas no doubt, give him even more cap room he'll still blow it, making the Knicks organisation look like Enron. 76ers GM for wasting cap and Atlanta's GM for not drafting Chris Paul.

by **Stevesanity** on Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:53 pm

MVP
LeBron although I expect Nash to get it.

6th Man
Mike Miller, nobody else has made any significant impact this season.

MIP
David West is easily the favourite here.

DPOY
Hmm not totally sure, Wallace is a possibility but I cant really give a favourite here. Camby and Big Ben will be put into consideration here.

COY
Flip will get it.

GM
Ferry or Larry something of the Bucks, but Ferry is the favourite.

ROY
Easy, Chris Paul.

by **Matt** on Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:48 am

MVP

Dirk Nowitzki- this guy has been doing it all season, he's been a beast in the 4th as well resurrecting his team from numerous dbl digit deficits but what seals is his much improved defense. The fact that he's on a 60 + win team is also important, a team he lead through injuries and incompetent C's and has finally turned the Mavs into a CONTENDER.

which is why he beats out.....Billups.

others:

Nash- owned by Billups in head to head match ups (lit up for 32ppg on 55% shooting), doesn't play D, his team is behind 11 games behind in the standings.

LeBron- doesn't play D....the only reason people are considering him MVP candidate is because of his recent run (9-1?)....also known as HYPE. Team behind 15 games. Why not give Carter the MVP, hell he's carried the Nets offensively and he's playing the best defense of his life.

Kobe- best individual season by far, but team just isn't good enough. Has HYPE in his favour too, after busting out that 81pnt game.

as far as GM, i don't know why people are raving about Ferry. He did nothing to improve the teams PG play or defense. Bucks GM....well, that team is sub .500

by **BIG GREEN** on Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:37 am

I'm confused about what you are talking about when you say "Doesn't play D"...cause lebron james in 14th in the league in steals, averages almost one block per game and going by the facts...he and nowitski are about equal in defence. (and thats being generous) One averages more steals than the other..and one averages more blocks.

LeBron James

2005-06 Statistics
PPG 31.7
RPG 7.1
APG 6.7
SPG 1.58
BPG .84
FG% .480
FT% .739
3P% .338
MPG 42.9

Dirk Nowitski

2005-06 Statistics
PPG 26.5
RPG 9.0
APG 2.8
SPG .69
BPG 1.05
FG% .481
FT% .898
3P% .412
MPG 38.2

...whatever make sense to you i guess.. If LeBron's stats and performance is just "hype"

by **dada** on Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:55 am

Here I go...

MVP.
My real choice- Kobe
Because everyone counted them out at the beginning of the season and presently they are poised to be competitive come playoff time. I dont believe that the team overall is better than last years but the way Kobe came in this year with a chip on his shoulder (after the horrible year) and torched every defender he could face really set the tone and as of late the team is really following his lead. I am actually starting to like the Lamar & Kobe combo a bit more now that Lamar is getting comfortable with being more assertive on the court. I dont believe anyone would say the Lakers are an easy win come playoff time.

My make everyone happy choice- Steve Nash

With new guys playing new roles all over the place, this guy has really held that team together. I need not say anything cuz everyone knows this guy is great.

6th Man.
Mike Miller.
The popular pick of course.

Defensive player.
Shawn Marion.
Mainly cuz he has been healthier than Ben and AK. Averaging 12 rbs, 2 blks (close to..) and 2 stls also helps out. Ben's stats havent been that great either.

Most Improved.
Boris Diaw. Most people didnt even know the guy could play and now he's doing big things in Phoenix.

Rookie.
Chris Paul.
If Rashad McCants got the starting job down in Minny from the beginning of the year then I would be singing a completely different song. Aside from that, he has played well and gets lotsa steal so yea, he deserves it I suppose.

GM of the year.
Danny Ferry.
Nobody else out there really stands out.

Coach of the year.
Flip Saunders.
Did better than I thought he would and he has done a good job keeping the team focused on D while also adding an offensive touch.

by **Matt** on Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:26 pm

I'm confused about what you are talking about when you say "Doesn't play D"...cause lebron james in 14th in the league in steals, averages almost one block per game and going by the facts...he and nowitski are about equal in defence. (and thats being generous) One averages more steals than the other..and one averages more blocks.

statistically speaking you could make that assumption, but he's a poor man to man defender. Even Webber gets more SPG than Garnett, and Webber is a bad defender whilst Garnett is one of the leagues best.

by **conartist** on Sat Apr 15, 2006 12:43 am

MVP-Steve Nash
6th Man-Mike Miller, Mo Williams or as of late Charlie Bell (LOL)
Defensive player-Gerald Wallace or AK
Most Improved-Boris Diaw/David West, maybe Delonte West, but tahts a stretch
Rookie-Chris Paul no doubt
Coach of the year-Flip Saunders

by **Matt** on Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:23 am

as of late Charlie Bell (LOL)

if Charlie Bell was a starter, i'd seriously consider him a DPOY candidate....he's certainly up there as far as man to man defence goes.

by **Rooza** on Sat Apr 15, 2006 5:38 am

MVP: Lebron who i want to win: Kobe
Defensive: J kidd
6th man: Mike Miller
most improved: Kirk Hinrich
rookie:Chris Paul
coach: Flip Saunders

by **fgrep15** on Sat Apr 15, 2006 5:37 pm

MVP- Lebon James
6th Man- Mike Miller or Andres Nocioni
DPOY - Ben Wallace
MIP-Boris Diaw
ROY- Chris Paul
COY- Mike D'Antoni

by **BIG GREEN** on Sun Apr 16, 2006 9:34 am

Matt wrote:
I'm confused about what you are talking about when you say "Doesn't play D"...cause lebron james in 14th in the league in steals, averages almost one block per game and going by the facts...he and nowitski are about equal in defence. (and thats being generous) One averages more steals than the other..and one averages more blocks.

statistically speaking you could make that assumption, but he's a poor man to man defender. Even Webber gets more SPG than Garnett, and Webber is a bad defender whilst Garnett is one of the leagues best.

I'm still confused about what you're basing that on? Cause you're not saying he's an average defender...you're basically saying he's a bad defender. I don't think anyone on this forum would agree that a guy who's 14th in the league in steals and averages almost 1 block a game "doesn't play D". I'm saying he's a good defender based on stats. Seems to me that you're the one making an assumption..im going by facts.

by **gergerjai** on Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:41 pm

MVP: Nash
DPOY: Camby and Marion
ROY: Chris Paul
MIP: Gerald Wallace
6th man: Miller
COY: Mike D'Antoni

by **Matt** on Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:52 pm

I'm still confused about what you're basing that on? Cause you're not saying he's an average defender...you're basically saying he's a bad defender. I don't think anyone on this forum would agree that a guy who's 14th in the league in steals and averages almost 1 block a game "doesn't play D". I'm saying he's a good defender based on stats. Seems to me that you're the one making an assumption..im going by facts.

so he makes a handful of good defensive plays in the game....the rest of the game however is a different story. Marcus Camby for example will not only make some statistical plays (blocks, rebounds) but during the course of the game will change a players shot, box out a guy so someone else can grab a rebound, effectively rotate & play good pick & roll D. LeBron, besides his "stats"...well he gets beat off the dribble, faked out and gambles for steals.

by **BIG GREEN** on Sun Apr 16, 2006 2:04 pm

so he makes a handful of good defensive plays in the game....the rest of the game however is a different story.

Is that a fact or your opinion? How bout we stick to the facts?..cause i've seen different in his games...and i'm sure others do also. Stating our opinions will never lead to a conclusion.

LeBron, besides his "stats"...well he gets beat off the dribble, faked out and gambles for steals.

Most players get beat off the dribble and making a steal is always a gamble. Iverson was once the leading steals man in the nba..and he often missed some attempts..does that mean he was a bad defender? I'll leave you to answer that question.

I challenge you to prove to me or the forum in some way that Lebron James doesn't play defence. However until you do, i hope you realise that it's all clearly your opinion. Conversely, my statement holds up on record as not simply my opinion. Can he improve on his defence?..surely...but he's plays defence as evidenced by his stats.

by **DipSetVC** on Sun Apr 16, 2006 2:05 pm

MVP- LeBron James
6th Man- Mike Miller
DPOY - Ben Wallace
MIP- David West
ROY- Chris Paul
COY- Byron Scott

by **Matt** on Sun Apr 16, 2006 4:42 pm

Stating our opinions will never lead to a conclusion.

you offering your opionion too. Stats are open to impretation, they are not facts.

Most players get beat off the dribble and making a steal is always a gamble. Iverson was once the leading steals man in the nba..and he often missed some attempts..does that mean he was a bad defender? I'll leave you to answer that question.

Iverson was always an average defender, even when he lead the league in steals. Sure he picked a guys pocket or anticipated a pass, but he offered little besides that....just like LeBron.

challenge you to prove to me or the forum in some way that Lebron James doesn't play defence. However until you do, i hope you realise that it's all clearly your opinion. Conversely, my statement holds up on record as not simply my opinion

Like i said, your stating your opinion too. I guess then by your stats, LeBron is some kind of masterful defender? If he couldn't block a shot, or steal the ball he'd be Glenn Robinson.

by **benji** on Sun Apr 16, 2006 4:54 pm

Matt wrote:Stats are open to impretation, they are not facts.

No! No! No! Stats ARE facts. It is the meaning and value of stats that are open to interpretation. How many times must we go over this!

I find LeBron as a slightly above average defender. He's not Josh Howard, Manu Ginobili or Bruce Bowen. But he's also not Tim Thomas, Jalen Rose or Lee Nailon. It should take nothing from his MVP credentials, Bird and Magic weren't great defenders either.

by **BIG GREEN** on Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:32 am

you offering your opionion too. Stats are open to impretation, they are not facts

are you serious? If that's your opinion then this debate is moot. You've failed to provide any sort of evidence to support your claim..and i'll even venture to say you've lost this debate. You're the only person i've ever heard/seen critisize lebron for his defence...and you've done so with no credibility to your claim.

benji wrote:
Matt wrote:Stats are open to impretation, they are not facts.

No! No! No! Stats ARE facts. It is the meaning and value of stats that are open to interpretation. How many times must we go over this!

I find LeBron as a slightly above average defender. He's not Josh Howard, Manu Ginobili or Bruce Bowen. But he's also not Tim Thomas, Jalen Rose or Lee Nailon. It should take nothing from his MVP credentials, Bird and Magic weren't great defenders either.

exactly.

To re-iterate, Lebron definitly plays defence. He, like many other superstars, should venture in that department more..but it's hardly a "problem" in his game.

by **artestfighttrainer** on Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:59 am

Yohance Wins!

by **fgrep15** on Tue Apr 18, 2006 6:16 am

I can't agree, Lebron's defense has actually improved, so I don't think that's something that can actually be used against him.

by **JohnA20** on Wed Apr 19, 2006 6:06 pm

xman wrote:MVP says most valuable player, Kobe is much more important player for Lakers than nash is for Suns, without kobe there would be no lakers and KG team did´t win so much games when he got the MVP i think , i don´t remember it exacli.

KG's team had the best record in the west (I'm pretty sure, only behind Indiana in the league).

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