Kadour Ziani the dunker

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Postby BIG GREEN on Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:33 am

Its_asdf wrote:NBA's rims are 10 feet and the diameter of the rims are smaller I believe. Playground rims and such tend to be shorter, or at least they look shorter.


"Look" shorter is correct...but they arent. Jumping over a car is impressive no matter what height you are...but he's fuckin 5'11" and doing it while dunking!
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Postby Fewrookies-From2kW/Love on Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:36 am

Are you serious? We're talking about jumping over someone who's crouched down and is probably 6 feet if they made it to the NBA. You have to be a very athletic person to even attempt a dunk on NBA rims, so I don't think that you have a clue about what you're talking about. If you show me evidence that you can dunk over a six foot guy sitting down on a chair then I'll bake you a cake.:| ....


Playground rims somtimes are made shorter. But I dunk in my school gym, which is NBA hight.

I don't care if he was 4 feet tall and are doing all these dunks. You judge everyone by the same standards. In the dunk contest, the judges didn't do that. Thats why spudd and nate were able to win.

You can say he is the best at 5'11"

Everytime I dunk, or jump, or layup, I can jump higher than someone crouching over, maybe not sitting down.

A 6 foot guy sitting down is not equal to 6 foot any more. I don't I think I can do that. I never attempted to jump over someone who is crouching or sitting down on a chair, but I mean, how high can you possibley be when you crouch over? 2 feet? When you're sitting down, that is maybe 4-5 feet? That is nothing for a great dunker. Maybe I would have trouble going over 4-5 feet, but not 2 feets.

So to me, when a so call great dunker dunk over someone who is sitting down or crouching over is nothing. And like I said, i don't care if he is 4 feet tall. That would only be great for a 4 feet tall standard dunker, not an overral great dunker.
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Postby cklitsie on Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:43 am

Professional baskets are actually lower (and easier to dunk on) than most amateur club teams have around here.
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Postby Fenix on Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:44 am

These guys train only their verticals and dunking is for them an ultimate basketball skill, but I still salute them. They have to be psychical freaks. I jump pretty high, but I couldn't do most of those dunks even if my vertical was 40'. It's just psychically impossible for me. With my average sized, skinny hands I often lose grip even when doing basic dunks. Damn my genes.
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Postby cklitsie on Thu Mar 16, 2006 4:50 am

VanK wrote:These guys train only their verticals and dunking is for them an ultimate basketball skill, but I still salute them.
True that, I read about a crew of 5 foot-something guys that aren't anything special as a player but admired Nique so much that they started training their nothing but their vertical leaps. No they're these kind of dunk wonders but still, nothing special as players.
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Postby J@3 on Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:27 am

Fewrookies-From2kW/Love wrote:
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Remember Weis. A 7'2" STANDING!!!!!


and getting his head pushed down.....offensive foul ref!


Its called body contact.


No it isn't. Body contact doesn't involve physically forcing the guys head under your legs with your hand.

If you otta say something bad about the dunk. Name something else that are better or better yet, name someone who can do the same dunk.

He went over a 7'2", period!


Well when you take into account Weis not standing straight up, VC pushing his head under his legs, it was probably closer to 6'7, but you're the boss :P
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Postby Ruff Ryder on Thu Mar 16, 2006 7:31 am

Fewrookies-From2kW/Love wrote:I don't care if he was 4 feet tall and are doing all these dunks. You judge everyone by the same standards. In the dunk contest, the judges didn't do that. Thats why spudd and nate were able to win.

You can say he is the best at 5'11"

That's a very shitty point. It is 500 times more difficult to be 5'8" and do a between the legs dunk compared to being 7' and doing a between the legs dunk. How can it be fair not to take height into consideration? Nate and Spudd wouldn't even stand a chance, and it would discourage little guys everywhere. Heck, I saw TayShaun Prince do a between the legs dunk in the 04 rookie game. Would you say that that dunk is equal to Nate Robinson's dunk in the dunk contest?

Think man, the judges judge on degree of difficulty. For a 6'9 forward like Josh Smith to do a between the legs dunk is difficult, but not as difficult for a guy that's a whole foot shorter. If you're 5'8, you have to jump alot higher than a 6'9 guy and you have to be able to hang more too. If Nate Robinson jumped over a 7'2 guy would you be saying VC's dunk was better?
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Postby Fewrookies-From2kW/Love on Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:08 am

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Fewrookies-From2kW/Love wrote:I don't care if he was 4 feet tall and are doing all these dunks. You judge everyone by the same standards. In the dunk contest, the judges didn't do that. Thats why spudd and nate were able to win.

You can say he is the best at 5'11"

That's a very shitty point. It is 500 times more difficult to be 5'8" and do a between the legs dunk compared to being 7' and doing a between the legs dunk. How can it be fair not to take height into consideration? Nate and Spudd wouldn't even stand a chance, and it would discourage little guys everywhere. Heck, I saw TayShaun Prince do a between the legs dunk in the 04 rookie game. Would you say that that dunk is equal to Nate Robinson's dunk in the dunk contest?

Think man, the judges judge on degree of difficulty. For a 6'9 forward like Josh Smith to do a between the legs dunk is difficult, but not as difficult for a guy that's a whole foot shorter. If you're 5'8, you have to jump alot higher than a 6'9 guy and you have to be able to hang more too. If Nate Robinson jumped over a 7'2 guy would you be saying VC's dunk was better?


But now if you give the lil guy an edge just because he is shorter, that wouldn't be fair for those that are regular hight, wouldn't it? AI2 should have won. But because the judges saw it the way you did, they gave it to Nate. How fair is that for AI2 then? Are those dunks that AI2 did wasn't dificult? Its like boxing. If you put a light weight up against a heavey weight, and the dude survive 10 rounds with the monster. Should the judges give him the w just because of that? Or like baseball. a migit step up and hit the ball nearly out the ball park, would you consider that a home run just because of his inferior abelities? In any professional competetion, every contestant should be judge by the same standards. And only the outcome of the performance should matter.

I don't think Nate would be happy if you tell him that he won just because he was short and the judges felt sorry for him thats why they gave him the crown

If Nate jump over weis the way VC did, they are equal. You could say Nate is better because he is shorter, but in reality, they both did the same thing. so how can you say one is better than the other when the outcome is the same. It maybe harder for one person than the other to do that, but that means nothing. The outcome is the same. Or you could say: "oh, he is doing all that at 5'9", imagine what he can do at 6'6."" But in reality, is he 6'6"?

But I can understand. The dunk contest is not really a formal competition. Its only for the fans and the HYPE.
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Postby Jackal on Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:14 am

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Postby j.23 on Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:22 am

i think the most impressive thing about this video is where he jumped over three people and did the rock the cradle dunk. just amazing
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Postby Laxation on Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:41 am

But now if you give the lil guy an edge just because he is shorter, that wouldn't be fair for those that are regular hight, wouldn't it? AI2 should have won. But because the judges saw it the way you did, they gave it to Nate. How fair is that for AI2 then? Are those dunks that AI2 did wasn't dificult?

for starters, Ill put $20 on the fact that you CANT dunk

it is harder to dunk when youre shorter. As a taller person, you have abigger advantage and therefore should be able to make way better dunks. AI2 kept on going through his legs, something that nate was doing, and has a much lower degree of dificulty for the same dunk.
Its like boxing. If you put a light weight up against a heavey weight, and the dude survive 10 rounds with the monster. Should the judges give him the w just because of that?

Im sorry (not really) but it ISNT like boxing. in boxing, you just dont put lightweights vs heavyweights. How the fuck is it like boxing? In basketball, all sizes are matched up against each other

Or like baseball. a migit step up and hit the ball nearly out the ball park, would you consider that a home run just because of his inferior abelities?

Since when is being does being a midget mean that you have inferior abilities when it comes to playing baseball? Just because you are small it dooesnt mean you cant hit a fucking ball. If anything, its easier because the pitcher has a smaller area to aim at. Its pretty fucking pathetic that youre using midgets for this example too

In any professional competetion,

Its only for the fans and the HYPE.

hmm...
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Postby Fewrookies-From2kW/Love on Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:15 am

Laxation wrote:for starters, Ill put $20 on the fact that you CANT dunk


I feel sorry for taking your imaginary $20 dollars.

it is harder to dunk when youre shorter. As a taller person, you have abigger advantage and therefore should be able to make way better dunks. AI2 kept on going through his legs, something that nate was doing, and has a much lower degree of dificulty for the same dunk.


I don't know way you bold your "is." Have you been reading my posts? I never once said that it wasn't harder. My point is that it don't matter if its harder or easier. Only the outcome matters.

Im sorry (not really) but it ISNT like boxing. in boxing, you just dont put lightweights vs heavyweights. How the fuck is it like boxing? In basketball, all sizes are matched up against each other

Since when is being does being a midget mean that you have inferior abilities when it comes to playing baseball? Just because you are small it dooesnt mean you cant hit a fucking ball. If anything, its easier because the pitcher has a smaller area to aim at. Its pretty fucking pathetic that youre using midgets for this example too


Do you know what is a metaphor or simile? When your girlfriend call you a pig, are you really a pig?

What I'm saying is that if a lightweight will be judge the same way as his oppornet, a heavey weight, the judges of an NBA dunk contest should judge Nate, a light weight, the same way they judge AI2, a heavey weight.

Whether a migit can hit the ball or not has nothing to do with my simile. I'm just saying its harder for him to do it, just like its harder for Nate to dunk it; If he didn't hit the ball out of the ball park, then its not a homerun. If Nate's dunk don't deserve a 50, then its shouldn't be consider a perfect dunk
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Postby Laxation on Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:29 am

Do you know what is a metaphor or simile? When your girlfriend call you a pig, are you really a pig?

i know what they fucking are, but that doesnt mean your metaphors are relevant

What I'm saying is that if a lightweight will be judge the same way as his oppornet, a heavey weight, the judges of an NBA dunk contest should judge Nate, a light weight, the same way they judge AI2, a heavey weight.

lightweights and heavyweights dont go against each other in boxing, in basketball, they do, so changes need to be made to level out the playing field.

I'm just saying its harder for him to do it, just like its harder for Nate to dunk it; If he didn't hit the ball out of the ball park, then its not a homerun. If Nate's dunk don't deserve a 50, then its shouldn't be consider a perfect dunk

nate only got one 50, and it was for a perfect dunk. he didnt fuck it up, and it was awesome.
but that doesnt make me understand why it is harder for midgets to hit a ball... just because theyre short it doesnt mean they are bad at hitting stuff
Whether a migit can hit the ball or not has nothing to do with my simile.

a migit step up and hit the ball nearly out the ball park,

it has everything to do with your simile...
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Postby Fewrookies-From2kW/Love on Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:06 am

[quote="Laxatio]
lightweights and heavyweights dont go against each other in boxing, in basketball, they do, so changes need to be made to level out the playing field.[/quote]

But thats not my point. I know that they don't miix heavey and lights weights in boxing. I'm saying if they do...

but that doesnt make me understand why it is harder for midgets to hit a ball... just because theyre short it doesnt mean they are bad at hitting stuff


Are you fucking serieus? If migits can hit just as good as a regular size person, why arn't there any in the major leagues?
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Postby Laxation on Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:12 am

but that doesnt make me understand why it is harder for midgets to hit a ball... just because theyre short it doesnt mean they are bad at hitting stuff

Are you fucking serieus? If migits can hit just as good as a regular size person, why arn't there any in the major leagues?

they probly arent good enough to be in the major leagues... sort of obvious really. just because you can hit a ball it doesnt mean you are good enough to be in the majors
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Postby Nick on Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:56 am

Fewrookies-From2kW/Love wrote:
but that doesnt make me understand why it is harder for midgets to hit a ball... just because theyre short it doesnt mean they are bad at hitting stuff


Are you fucking serieus? If migits can hit just as good as a regular size person, why arn't there any in the major leagues?

Because migits are extremely rare? Let alone athlete migits.
I don't know way you bold your "is." Have you been reading my posts? I never once said that it wasn't harder. My point is that it don't matter if its harder or easier. Only the outcome matters.

Well, isn't that the point of the outcome? Whatever dunk is harder should win? And whatever is more spectacular should win? And more spectacular usually means that it's harder.

Right?

Difficult dunks are supposed to win, i agree, that should be the outcome. But think about this, Nate Robinson is 5'9" (more like 5'7", but whatever. He's small) dunking on a 10' rim, which is almost double his own height. It's a different story however for 6'6"+ dunkers, as the percentage of their height compared to the height of the rim is much smaller compared to those of nate or spudd. So nate has to have one hell of a leap to reach the ring. And seeing someone so small do dunks with such a vert is fucking spectacular to me.

5'7" players doing an under the legs dunk? Get out of town. I am 6' and could barely do an under the legs lay-up.
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Postby BIG GREEN on Fri Mar 17, 2006 1:38 pm

Co-sign on your comment there bud.

If you argue that the difficulty of dunks and "outcome" are what matters....then really Igoudala only had one dunk that was superior to nate's..which is the behind the backboard dunk. What one considers to be spectacular is relative....and the fact is..for most people..the shorter you are and dunk..the more difficult and spectacular it looks. That is why nate won....and the fact that there is no penalty limit to dunk attemps.

With that said..the guy who this thread is named after...because of his height..and the degree of difficulty of his dunks..most would say he's atleast as good as vince carter..if not better. By the looks of it...i dont think that there is any dunk vince can do..and he can't.
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Postby Fewrookies-From2kW/Love on Sat Mar 18, 2006 4:22 am

Yohance Bailey wrote:Co-sign on your comment there bud.

If you argue that the difficulty of dunks and "outcome" are what matters....then really Igoudala only had one dunk that was superior to nate's..which is the behind the backboard dunk. What one considers to be spectacular is relative....and the fact is..for most people..the shorter you are and dunk..the more difficult and spectacular it looks. That is why nate won....and the fact that there is no penalty limit to dunk attemps.

With that said..the guy who this thread is named after...because of his height..and the degree of difficulty of his dunks..most would say he's atleast as good as vince carter..if not better. By the looks of it...i dont think that there is any dunk vince can do..and he can't.


the way we would classify a spectacular dunk is obviously different. So i don't even what to continue here.

But the dude can do whatever VC can do?

That is wrong. I'm not gonna usw Weis anymore. Ever saw VC on his charity game? VC did a unbelievable off the backboard winmill, WITH HIS HEAD REACHING ABOVE THE RIM, and HE TOOK OFF 2 FEET INSIDE THE FOUL LINE. He made a complete revolution with his hands too--most people can't do that.

If you want to say because of his hight, he is equal to VC, then go ahead. Thats the way you see it. But saying he is better than VC, and can do whatever VC can do is not true. VC's dunk contest is better than all of the dudes dunk in that video. The 360 winmill is still the best there is.
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Postby j.23 on Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:51 am

dude, get your head out of your ass. i like vc as much as anyone here, but this guy is a better dunker than VC, period. VC's dunks in the ASG better than the dudes dunk in this video? please. the best dunks in the ASG by vince were the 360 windmill, between the legs, and elbow hang. this guy jumped over a car. he jumped over three guys and still managed to do the rock a cradle dunk. can you fathom how hard that is? you're from canada, so i can see your bias, but come on.
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Postby Pera on Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:01 am

Fewrookies-From2kW/Love is just trying to make VC look better than Ziani.

Ziani isn't the only dunker who jumped over the car.Marko Milic did that dunk 5 years ago. :hump: :hump:

Fewrookies-From2kW/Love i was so lazy that i had to paste and copy your name

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Postby Fewrookies-From2kW/Love on Sat Mar 18, 2006 8:19 am

j.23 wrote:dude, get your head out of your ass. i like vc as much as anyone here, but this guy is a better dunker than VC, period. VC's dunks in the ASG better than the dudes dunk in this video? please. the best dunks in the ASG by vince were the 360 windmill, between the legs, and elbow hang. this guy jumped over a car. he jumped over three guys and still managed to do the rock a cradle dunk. can you fathom how hard that is? you're from canada, so i can see your bias, but come on.


Dude, 3 guys crouching over is only measued like 2-3 feets. thats nothing. Nate jump over spudd which was more impressive, because spudd was actually standing with a 5 7 hight.

I car with no top is maybe 4-5 feet the highest. I bet you Nate can do that.

When dude jump over that car, his head was not even close to the rim level. So how hard can that be? Alot of guys like Vince, Bron, and smith can put their head above rim level. I said this earlier, VC's winmill off the class, had his head above rim level. I think no one else can do a winmill with their heads above the rim...no one.

But lets say those dunks are as hard as you guys (who can't dunk :P ) fantacy it to be. Have you ever seen Vince attempted and miss anyone of them? So how can figure?

VC jumping at his highest, his head can go 2-3 inches above rim level. None of those dunks that dude did was above rim level. And if you all say jumping over someone crouch over *yarn* is that hard, he most have to be able to go above the rim, right?

Yup, i'm from canada, but recently move to chicago.
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Postby Fewrookies-From2kW/Love on Sat Mar 18, 2006 8:24 am

Henry Bekkering is better than both Ziani and Marko...........and Bekkering is behind VC.
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Postby Pera on Sat Mar 18, 2006 8:55 am

First off all Bekkering isn't better than Ziani, VC isn't better than Ziani.
Second off all you don't even know who is Marko Milic.
Third off all The dunk rate of VC and Ziani in inches:
Ziani 56 inches
Carter 43 Inches

And some other:
Jordan 48 Inches
Webb 46 Inches :P
Marko Milic 38 inches

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Postby Fewrookies-From2kW/Love on Sat Mar 18, 2006 9:11 am

Where the helllllllllllll did you get that? I'm not really sure how high each can jump.

But I can see that Ziani can't go above the rim, Marko (yea, I know him) can't go above the rim. Vince can and Bekkering can. Vince, like i said, can go 2-3 inches above the rim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGYA8sI5 ... e%20carter

This is VC's winmill collection. Pay attention to nearly the end. There you will see 3 winmills. 1, on the break with his head above the rim. 2, off the glass like I said with his head above the rim. 3, he did a winmill in traffic adjusting from a defender in mid air.

All of these dunks are mor impressive than dude's.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx7DT7iO ... bekkereing


Pay attention to the white boy. You will see him jumper over someone standing. and still do a winmill during that.


Vince>>>Bekkering>>>>>Ziani
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Postby J@3 on Sat Mar 18, 2006 10:58 am

VC jumping at his highest, his head can go 2-3 inches above rim level. None of those dunks that dude did was above rim level.


Have you not seen LeBron's reverse dunk from this season? His head was more than 2-3 inches above the rim... James White, same height as Vince, I have a dunk on my computer where his head is at least 4 inches above the rim... Ziani in one of those dunks DOES have his head above the rim, and he's actually shorter than Vince. Dwight Howard can get his head above the rim etc... it's not a measure of how good someone is at dunking.
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