What i noticed with all the talent coming over seas to play NBA, is that America is too selfish... as soon as a counry gets a good player he is automaticly trasferd into NBA. I know that its the player's choise but some rules have to be done, somthing. China is the ONLY coutry so far that i have seen that protested agaiinst it... look how long it took for Yao to get to NBA.
i live in australia and the teams are so poor now that they cant afford to play in prober areanas. all becaseu there is no one left to see. other coutries just take up some washed up american who cant get a contract with the NBA.
I think the government is the most resonsibel one. in aust we dont have many outdoor courts to play on, we have to pay.. in Europe my coach was telling me that there are courts every where u look. Government speends money then lets its playes go.
Who even knew about CBA in china or the shenhai sharks until Yao came??
Imagine how goo would the team be in yogoslavcia if they had player like Peja and all the others... or germany!!!
U.S is getting all the talent, all the profit for nothing, the coutries and their former clubs should get compansation, promotion, something.... they loose1
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by bballer22 on Mon May 26, 2003 11:38 pm
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by Steve04 on Mon May 26, 2003 11:45 pm
Actually Yao is paying part of his salary to the high Chinese taxes...
But I disagree, if the player wants to play against the best and toughest competetion why should he/ or the US pay for it? the NBA is the league with the best players in the world so it is only natural that any competetive player would want to test his game against the best instead of staying in his country where they have watered down talent and its easy for him to dominate.
You act like the NBA has taken hundreds of the best players and that all the players overseas are superstars.
Only 5-10 international players(if even that many) have come to the USA and become stars, and if they want to why not let them, and why does there have to be compensation? it should be the players choice what league he plays in, no cost involved.
But I disagree, if the player wants to play against the best and toughest competetion why should he/ or the US pay for it? the NBA is the league with the best players in the world so it is only natural that any competetive player would want to test his game against the best instead of staying in his country where they have watered down talent and its easy for him to dominate.
You act like the NBA has taken hundreds of the best players and that all the players overseas are superstars.
Only 5-10 international players(if even that many) have come to the USA and become stars, and if they want to why not let them, and why does there have to be compensation? it should be the players choice what league he plays in, no cost involved.
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by EGarrett on Tue May 27, 2003 12:00 am
The NBA is also the money league...many of the International players here make far more money than they would at home. If they're good enough, they deserve that.
In the U.S., many of our best soccer players go to Europe to play in the Premier (?) Leagues...for the most part we don't care.
In the U.S., many of our best soccer players go to Europe to play in the Premier (?) Leagues...for the most part we don't care.
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by Venom on Tue May 27, 2003 11:09 am
no doubt that the best players from all over the world,deserve a chance the compete in the best league...but
it also blows that every time there's someone good he/they leave(s). it's been like that forever,but before the players used to leave when they were 22-25,now when they're leaving to play in the nba it's more like 18-19...
and that sucks...
it also blows that every time there's someone good he/they leave(s). it's been like that forever,but before the players used to leave when they were 22-25,now when they're leaving to play in the nba it's more like 18-19...
and that sucks...
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by scubilete on Tue May 27, 2003 11:55 am
next year the rule of the 20 as minimum age is on. Didn't come this year to let Lebron & Milicic join the draft.
Anyway, I totally disagree with the statements of the NBA Monopoly, notice that many times those players get more money playing in other leagues than playing in the NBA but some of them decide to prove themselves and come here to play with the big ones. The best example I have right now is Milos Vujanic who was supposed to be the best choice for the knicks, a guard compared to Nash and the best PG from the european league as he was classified, he decided not to join the league cause overthere he was going to get more money, the europeans keep many players and is a big competition to the NBA.
Do you mean that you wanted to see Peja playing a full season in Europe instead of the NBA?, those players come to the NBA to prove themselves and to get their game to the next level, Divac, Kucok, Dirk, Peja, even Sabonis, none of them would have been so good if they wouldn't have joined the league, they came to this league as great players from their league to get to a new level, if those player wouldn't have come to the NBA, we would have never seen any team giving some competition the the USA in the Olympics or World Championship.
Anyway, I totally disagree with the statements of the NBA Monopoly, notice that many times those players get more money playing in other leagues than playing in the NBA but some of them decide to prove themselves and come here to play with the big ones. The best example I have right now is Milos Vujanic who was supposed to be the best choice for the knicks, a guard compared to Nash and the best PG from the european league as he was classified, he decided not to join the league cause overthere he was going to get more money, the europeans keep many players and is a big competition to the NBA.
Imagine how goo would the team be in yogoslavcia if they had player like Peja and all the others... or germany!!!
Do you mean that you wanted to see Peja playing a full season in Europe instead of the NBA?, those players come to the NBA to prove themselves and to get their game to the next level, Divac, Kucok, Dirk, Peja, even Sabonis, none of them would have been so good if they wouldn't have joined the league, they came to this league as great players from their league to get to a new level, if those player wouldn't have come to the NBA, we would have never seen any team giving some competition the the USA in the Olympics or World Championship.
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by Andrew on Tue May 27, 2003 1:09 pm
i live in australia and the teams are so poor now that they cant afford to play in prober areanas. all becaseu there is no one left to see. other coutries just take up some washed up american who cant get a contract with the NBA
I live in Australia too, so I'm familiar with the state of Australian basketball. And we're not losing talent to the United States, at least not the NBA - right now, there isn't a single Australian in the NBA, and hasn't been since Luc Longley's brief stint with the Knicks in the 2000/2001 season, before he retired due to injury. And Longley never played in the NBL anyway.
If Australians go overseas, they tend to go to Europe (eg Shane Heal a couple of years back, Mark Bradtke more recently), not the United States.
Additionally, we don't really have that much of an influx of US talent - especially given the "two import maximum" rule, that keeps the NBL predominantly Australian.
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by TheMadGod on Tue May 27, 2003 2:04 pm
Its a choice that players make anyway. If they're willing to trade their 'superstardom' in the local league for the NBA, then why not?
Not everyone gets to play at the top level. If that doesn't work out, they can always go back.
If anything, international players owe the NBA a lot. Most players develop their talent in the NBA.
Let's take Yao for example, playing in the Asian games and the ABC Championships, Yao was pretty much a very over rated giant who couldn't bang bodies in the paint. But after a year in the big leagues, Yao has learned more than he would have learned spending 20 years in the Chinese local league or playing against the likes of South Korea, Philippines or Lebanon.
Not everyone gets to play at the top level. If that doesn't work out, they can always go back.
If anything, international players owe the NBA a lot. Most players develop their talent in the NBA.
Let's take Yao for example, playing in the Asian games and the ABC Championships, Yao was pretty much a very over rated giant who couldn't bang bodies in the paint. But after a year in the big leagues, Yao has learned more than he would have learned spending 20 years in the Chinese local league or playing against the likes of South Korea, Philippines or Lebanon.
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Re: NBA is bad for other coutries
by TheMadGod on Tue May 27, 2003 2:15 pm
bballer22 wrote:i live in australia and the teams are so poor now that they cant afford to play in prober areanas. all becaseu there is no one left to see. other coutries just take up some washed up american who cant get a contract with the NBA.
Well it all depends on the popularity of the sport I guess.
Here in the Philippines the local pro league (PBA) draws NBA sized crowds yet not a single player is talented enough to land in an NBA roster.
The collegiate and semi-pro leagues in the Philippines for example draws more crowds than the Australian NBL yet there is a hell of looooot more talent in the NBL.
The main reason for that, methinks, is because in Australia big time sports is pretty much limited to the AFL.
U.S is getting all the talent, all the profit for nothing, the coutries and their former clubs should get compansation, promotion, something.... they loose1
This, I agree, is the real problem. Even though Yao pays a percentage of his salary to the government, it's still peanuts compared to what his jersey's etc... are going to fetch in the global market.
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by Andrew on Tue May 27, 2003 2:22 pm
The main reason for that, methinks, is because in Australia big time sports is pretty much limited to the AFL
Close. I'd say rugby league (the NRL) is more popular than Australian Rules football (the AFL). Cricket would probably be second, followed by Aussie Rules, then soccer, then probably basketball. In any case, basketball isn't given much exposure here, unless you're willing to pay for Foxtel.
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by Matthew on Tue May 27, 2003 8:20 pm
I have to disagree "bballer22". If it wasn't for the NBA, the game would not be on the level it is today. It is the pipeline of the hoops world and is universally recognised as the elite basketball league. Is this "america being greedy". lol. Fuck no! Americans produce the best ballers. Plain and simple. But other countries will produce one or two players who dominate their league and can play well in the NBA.
America (or american teams, whichever, it doesn't make a difference) DO NOT steal them.
A club should not be payed becuase a player played for them and decided to goto the nba. It's not as if the club own that guy. He leaves on his own free will. I spose it would be like if you worked for a small company and you were the vice president of operations. You did a good job(say "shelly's" soft drink), and then a much larger company in the same field (say coke) offered you a job, for more money but the position wasnt as high up and you decided to take the positon at coke. Would shellys be entitled to a payout from coke? That's what I thought..
America (or american teams, whichever, it doesn't make a difference) DO NOT steal them.
A club should not be payed becuase a player played for them and decided to goto the nba. It's not as if the club own that guy. He leaves on his own free will. I spose it would be like if you worked for a small company and you were the vice president of operations. You did a good job(say "shelly's" soft drink), and then a much larger company in the same field (say coke) offered you a job, for more money but the position wasnt as high up and you decided to take the positon at coke. Would shellys be entitled to a payout from coke? That's what I thought..
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by Stevan on Tue May 27, 2003 11:30 pm
I think other countries really don't mind sending their players to the NBA, because generally they come back to play for the National team as better players, eg: "Yogoslavcia"... has plenty to choose from: Stojakovic, Divac, Jaric, Drobnjak, Radmanovic, and others that have played over the years. Not only that, but they have the confidence to beat the Americans.
Just to make a point though, not every player comes back better though, look at aussie and former Bull Chris Anstey. Biggest waste of height ever. At the moment Australia doens't even have a prospect for the NBA. Simon Dwight chose not to go several years ago when he had the chance. Now I don't think anybody would give him the time of day. Could have got his payday, but no.
People in Australia just don't care. Why play a sport where you have to use your intelligence when you can play aussie rules footy and hug, er I mean "tackle" other guys, or hell give Cricket a go, you don't have to be athletic, young, or even in good shape, and can still be a world class "cricketer". Atleast Rugby is a world wide unlike footy... Soccer isn't too popular here, even with all the Europeans and even South Americans that have migrated in the last 50 odd years.
I'm really impressed at how popular basketball seems to be among Phillos, even the ones here really seem to love playing.
I'll tell ya what sums it up in Australia at the moment: I was watching some kids show recently (purely coincidental
) one afternoon, I think it's called "pick your face" or something like that, where the kids get 4 faces of famous people, with the mixed up facial features like eyes, mouth etc. They have to match the right eyes to the right face and so on, then when they finish matching up the mouths, eyes, noses etc to the four faces, they are asked to name them. One of the faces was Michael Jordan. When the kid was asked who it was... he didn't know.
He didn't know who Michael Jordan was.
I wanted to puke right on his tubby, freckled little face.
Just to make a point though, not every player comes back better though, look at aussie and former Bull Chris Anstey. Biggest waste of height ever. At the moment Australia doens't even have a prospect for the NBA. Simon Dwight chose not to go several years ago when he had the chance. Now I don't think anybody would give him the time of day. Could have got his payday, but no.
People in Australia just don't care. Why play a sport where you have to use your intelligence when you can play aussie rules footy and hug, er I mean "tackle" other guys, or hell give Cricket a go, you don't have to be athletic, young, or even in good shape, and can still be a world class "cricketer". Atleast Rugby is a world wide unlike footy... Soccer isn't too popular here, even with all the Europeans and even South Americans that have migrated in the last 50 odd years.
I'm really impressed at how popular basketball seems to be among Phillos, even the ones here really seem to love playing.
I'll tell ya what sums it up in Australia at the moment: I was watching some kids show recently (purely coincidental
) one afternoon, I think it's called "pick your face" or something like that, where the kids get 4 faces of famous people, with the mixed up facial features like eyes, mouth etc. They have to match the right eyes to the right face and so on, then when they finish matching up the mouths, eyes, noses etc to the four faces, they are asked to name them. One of the faces was Michael Jordan. When the kid was asked who it was... he didn't know.
He didn't know who Michael Jordan was.
I wanted to puke right on his tubby, freckled little face.
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by rUsTy on Wed May 28, 2003 10:06 am
Andrew wrote:Close. I'd say rugby league (the NRL) is more popular than Australian Rules football (the AFL). Cricket would probably be second, followed by Aussie Rules, then soccer, then probably basketball. In any case, basketball isn't given much exposure here, unless you're willing to pay for Foxtel.
lol thats why rugby gets what? 5-10k to a game an AFL gets 40-50k?
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by Andrew on Wed May 28, 2003 1:20 pm
lol thats why rugby gets what? 5-10k to a game an AFL gets 40-50k?
5000-10000? I know here in Newcastle, it's usually substantially more than that. AFL usually draws larger crowds, but that doesn't necessarily speak for popularity - more so the arena it's played in. Consider also TV coverage, merchandising and recognition. I believe rugby league to be more popular, at least in New South Wales.
Personally, I'm not a fan of either. Except when the Knights won the premiership. Well, have to bandwag...er, support the home team.
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by paul_pierce_the_truth on Wed May 28, 2003 4:44 pm
They shouldn't let Nicole Kidman come to Hollywood and make $80 million dollars in her career either, those damned Americans!
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by Andrew on Wed May 28, 2003 4:49 pm
There's a good parallel. Plenty of entertainers make their mark in the USA, because there's more money, more exposure. Sure, it would be nice if non-American athletes and entertainers could achieve the same level of fame (and earn the same sort of money) in their home country, but the USA is the bigger market, so that's not possible.
It's not unlike moving away from your hometown because of a job opportunity. Sometimes, you have to make sacrifices and changes to take advantage of opportunities.
It's not unlike moving away from your hometown because of a job opportunity. Sometimes, you have to make sacrifices and changes to take advantage of opportunities.
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by bballer22 on Thu May 29, 2003 12:24 am
what im saying is that their formar clubs need to take money fomr the team!!! the gov should then put that money into baketball in that coutry...
more courts!!!
ur right thetplayer proggress well in US and more challenging wold games... i guess it kinda works both ways...
maybe im just pissed off coz there are hardly any out door courts in AUST... maybe its coz i have every other Aust sport...
its just that at first basketball was grouwing good, then the international players went to nba and what..!!!
more courts!!!
ur right thetplayer proggress well in US and more challenging wold games... i guess it kinda works both ways...
maybe im just pissed off coz there are hardly any out door courts in AUST... maybe its coz i have every other Aust sport...
its just that at first basketball was grouwing good, then the international players went to nba and what..!!!
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by bballer22 on Thu May 29, 2003 12:28 am
just another thing.. i dont realy folow nbal coz i cant watch it.. but i was looking at Andrew gaze stats.. and mad i have never seen anythinglike this!!
http://ba1.basketball.net.au/nbl/player ... /gaze.html
http://ba1.basketball.net.au/nbl/player ... /gaze.html
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