All Those Years.. LeBron James vs. Darko Milicic (Continued)

Here are some pages of those little High School kids LeBron James was so lucky to play against.

http://nbadraft.net/profiles/lebronjames.htm
http://nbadraft.net/profiles/ivanharris.htm
http://nbadraft.net/profiles/brandonfoust.htm
http://nbadraft.net/profiles/trevorariza.htm
http://www.fullctpress.net/DreamClassic/espn2.htm
http://www.usabasketball.com/biosmen/di ... s_bio.html
http://espn.go.com/moresports/news/2002 ... 67554.html
http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... f%26sa%3DG

the first one is the LeBron page at the bottom is the schedule
the last long one is a translated spanish page I think of a guy who broke Wilt Chamberlain's scoring record in 4 years as apposed to 3 by Wilt, but god only knows who in 1955 was guarding Wilt.

Maureece Rice , that guy who broke Wilt's record, was 1m80, or 5'11. Not really an impressive size.

Ivan Harris, 6'7 200 is about the same height as what LeBron is supposed to be, but considerably lighter.
Brandon Faust, 6'6 190 is quite a bit smaller.
Trevor Ariza, 6'8 200, about the same as LeBron but also lighter.
Dion Harris, 6'4..

That fullcourt press article had maybe 5 players of LeBron's size, out of like 30 names.

So, in all, the competition still doesn't look that impressive, in terms of size, which is what you intended this thread about.

Also, if you read that full-court press article, James had two all-americans on his team as well...didn't I say that? I believe I did...

James career isn't nearly as impressive as you make it out to be, and he hasn't proved shit. Besides, a bunch of the scouting reports say jack shit about their talent, but James is a damned book. Hype? Yes.

Also, NBADraft.net is highly unreliable...the player comparisons are pretty lame and the scouting reports are biased towards hyped players...

How about all those GM reports you or metphysical were talking about?

very impressive now here are some big boys mililic has to play against

http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/slavkovranes.htm
http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/kostaperovic.htm
http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/blagotasekulic.htm
http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/zarkocabarkapa.htm

sorry for only getting 4, i thought i'd just get the young kids that play in his positions profiles from nbadraft.net rather then the gaurds and smaller forwards, and i couldnt be bothered getting the good older players in his league's profiles as i didnt have all day to list them.

face it, darko plays against alot better players then james, oh wow james plays on good players twice a year what a hero. Darko plays in a comp far better then any high school league, and he also plays against men with developed body's

he doesnt play on kids who are half his size, get over it peirce boy, lebron is good we are not debating that, when u fight an argument that lebron plays on better people then darko u have no chance u might aswell just argue that mark madsen is better then shaq

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This debate is of course a popular one.

I believe Darko Milicic played against men, but I do not see him in the European Final Four sections of the Telebasket.com pages.

Could someone get a schedule and some stats for Darko?
Could we see who his compition was/is??

I never said those guys on LeBron's schedule were all 7'2" Yugoslavians.
I said they were just not little kids.

Nevermind, LeBron hasn't ever played against anyone, this is all just a misconception on my part, they all sucked and they were all 5'10" and Darko saw giants with long arms.

Let's just wait to they all get to the best show on earth and then we will have no arguments, well almost none.

Could someone get a schedule and some stats for Darko?
Could we see who his compition was/is??

If you want to prove how good his opposition is (James', that is), then we need stats for all of them and not just scouting reports from a sketchy draft page....

Could someone get a schedule and some stats for Darko?
Could we see who his compition was/is??

You keep ignoring the fact that James had two All Americans on the team besides him. That means there's three great players on James' team vs. one or two on another, and James is definately the most talented high school basketball player. Therefore, it was simply an outmatched team, no matter who St. Vincent was playing.

As for you saying All-Americans are college bound and nba bound, that's entirely not true. Many All-Americans are lost in college and are lucky to ever make it on an NBA team. Hell, college standouts don't even make it on NBA teams (take Ed Cota from UNC or Luke Recker from Iowa), and those are guys that had great college careers, not to mention being All-Americans before going to college.

Now, as for the Europeans, many of them have already played in the NBA or were on NBA rosters for short periods of time (say, preseason) before being cut. Also, many of them played college ball, and the ones that didn't are solid players and probably put up far better stats than a teenage kid from the US would...but how can I say that? I can say that because Europeans know how to play the game and play a more team orientated game....US players are more selfish and more isolation based...

I don't feel like writing more now....

Now, here's an article about how great McDonald's All-Americans are and how likely they'll be in the NBA:

http://cbs.sportsline.com/b/page/pressb ... 60,00.html

A few interesting quotes:

Maryland rolled over Duke 97-73 and with stars such as Juan Dixon, Lonnie Baxter, Chris Wilcox, Byron Mouton and Steve Blake, the Terrapins look like a team not only deserving of a No. 1 seed, not only capable of a return trip to the Final Four, but one that can clip the nets in Atlanta.

Except for one problem.

Maryland does not have a single player on its roster that was selected as a McDonald's All-American. And if history is an indicator, that means the Terrapins -- not to mention top 10 teams such as Oklahoma, Cincinnati, Alabama, Gonzaga, Pittsburgh and Marquette -- won't win the national championship this year.

That explains why Duke and North Carolina have so many selections, including questionable, at least in hindsight, picks such as Blue Devil Joey Beard of Reston (Va.) South Lakes in 1993 or Tar Heel Neil Fingleton of Worcester (Mass.) Holy Name in 2000. Those guys wound up transferring, Beard to Boston University, Fingleton to Holy Cross.

It may even explain how 7-17 North Carolina could have three McDonald's selections in 1998's Jason Capel of St. John's Prospect (Md.) and Kris Lang of Gastonia (N.C.) Hunter Huss and 2001's Jawad Williams of Lakewood (Ohio) St. Edward. Before Fingleton transferred at the semester break, the Heels actually had four.

Besides, the importance of McDonald's All-Americans may be waning and there is reason to believe the streak is about to end. Team-oriented clubs are taking over in this era where each spring a few McDonald's selections bypass college altogether and declare for the NBA Draft directly out of high school. Others don't stick around the collegiate ranks very long.

It doesn't seem like a coincidence that two of the three times a team has won with just a lone McDonald's All-American, it has done it within the past five seasons, when early departures started becoming commonplace.

If by chance you are part of the Anybody But Duke segment of the population, you sure better hope this is the season the McDonald's All-American trend ends. Because we hate to break it to you, but the Blue Devils have six of them again this year.

Just a note on that last sentence...this was written after Maryland had won the national title without an single McDonald's All American - including Chris Wilcox of the Clippers. Also, look where all those touted players ended up this year...well, Syracuse and Carmelo Anthony won the title, so what do you think?

Here's another link, and this one cannot be disputed as opinion...

http://mcdonaldsallamerican.theinsiders ... facts.html

How many of those players are in the NBA now or were in the NBA for more than a year?

This is just to show you that being an All American means jack shit until you prove something at the college or pro level. Period.

Edit: go to the bottom, look at the NBA and the list of players that were All-Americans; you'll see some familiar names, but most of them will be strangers. Why? Because they disappeared after being All-Americans.