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Postby Jing on Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:13 am

hhah bush

Bush is a C.U.N.T.
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Postby Riot on Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:42 am

Before everyone goes crazy, this isn't even a justifiable report. Obviously Bush has turned to religion but I doubt he "talked with God". And since it was behind closed doors it will be impossible to prove either right or wrong.

Guess what? Lebron James told me that God told him to go straight to the NBA. I guess he's a C.U.N.T. too.
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Postby Cable on Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:12 am

And yes Cable Guy, I know Riot's gonna say shit.


When did I come into this?
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Postby Bang on Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:19 am

Cable Guy wrote:
And yes Cable Guy, I know Riot's gonna say shit.


When did I come into this?


Well in one of the posts you put
"Riot's going to say shit" or something and then the post after Riot posted. Dunno, I could've just not put it, but em...whatever.

Well, I didn't care if it was justifiable or not. It was hilarious. I can just imagine Bush being high and going "God? is that you? Do you want me to invade Iraq?"

Also, it's something I can imagine Bush would say. I mean, he puts God in whatever he does. Which is wrong. How in the world can he speak for God? What the hell happened to separation of Church and State? Maybe his "god" is something else who knows. Probably the Saudis. Yea, we're misinterpreting it. When he says God, it means Saudis. Now it makes clear sense.
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Postby Cable on Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:29 am

Yeah, I did type that. Whatever.
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Postby Riot on Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:32 am

He isn't hearing God because there is no God. Atleast, in my opinion. So I really couldn't care less what he's hearing or what rumors are going around. And that's just what this is: a rumor.
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Postby Bang on Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:42 am

How can you believe in something as abstract as freedom and believe in the goodwill of people if you believe there is no God? I'm not saying that you need to believe in God to believe in "freedom" and the goodwill of people, but saying how they're both idealistic abstract ideas, yet you're so convinced that one exists and the other doesn't. I don't get that. I mean, if there is no God controlling the world then how the hell do you believe that American people are so good-natured and shit? They should be "evil" like everything in this world, just simple creatures vying for survival by destroying one another. I'm not quite sure how to put it, but it's odd.
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Postby Riot on Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:46 am

We believe in freedom and that everyone should be treated equal and vote on their own government. That's what I believe in. I don't believe in hell or heaven. I don't believe in karma. There is too many things wrong with the world for a "perfect God" to have created it.

I don't believe in God. I believe in freedom. I believe in democracy. I believe in defending human rights and lending a helping hand to those in need. I believe in protecting the people who can't protect themselves. I believe in giving a voice to the voiceless.
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Postby Bang on Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:53 am

Yea, but that's as idealistic or "crazy" of a concept as God is. I mean how can you get more idealistic than those ideals? In fact, it is the US's religion. I really don't see how it's different from any other religion. There's too many things about it that are misused, idealized, exploited just like religion is. Also, it's also effective as a method of control, as same as religion. It's just a bunch of fluffed up ideas that are unscientific and way too optimistic.
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Postby Riot on Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:00 pm

I don't believe in God because I see the chaos the world is in and I blame it on religion. Why? Because so many people take their religions so god damn seriously that they are willing to kill people over it. Of course, not everyone does but there is enough of them to piss me off and create havoc. Not just in the Middle East, but all over the freaking globe.

Freedom is an ideal, you are right. But Freedom is something I can see. Freedom is something I have. Freedom and equality are something that is here in front of us that we can spread to everyone. Who doesn't want freedom? Who doesn't want to be treated equal? Deep down inside, practically everyone does. It's just the way it was suppose to be. But when I see slavery still alive today, women being opressed, kids being opressed, ect I can't help but think how much BS religion is. The Jews and the Muslims can't get along in the ME because of religion. And it has always been that way and it will always be that way.

God is something I cannot see or feel. Apparently, God is so perfect and mighty but he created a shit hole of a race (humans). You think the perfect God would be able to fix some of this.

I'm sick of all the issues in the ME, I'm sick of it. I'm sick of the religion wars and I'm sick of everything from Allah to Jesus to whoever. I think religion is great, I don't think people who believe in God and religion are awful or anything. But some people take it too far and that's what pisses me off.

Freedom is really the only thing that makes this earth tolerable.
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Postby Bang on Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:16 pm

How are you sure you have freedom though? It's very abstract. I mean are you really free? Do you really affect politics at all? Probably not that much. Are you economically free? Not that much economic mobility. Rich only get richer. Then freedom of press? Then how is it that so much things get censored? Well you need to restrict some things right. Then is freedom really something achievable? I don't understand how you can believe something that idealistic in a world like this.

Yes, I admit we're not living in a dictatorship or anything, but recently I've been having serious doubts about whether the current state of democracy is a good enough system. I think it's outdated. It's just not right to carry out the same idea for so long. It's bound to have flaws, loopholes and ways to exploit it.

I have no idea what could be a better system, but the current system of democracy in my opinion is not working and nobody ever bothers to change it. I mean the things people do for votes are ridiculous. There are so many cases of governments trying to change national policy drastically towards the end of their 4 year term to get votes. And not necessarily doing what the people originally wanted, but using cunning ways to get people to vote for them. Not that there are that many choices to vote anyway. Maybe the 2 party system is to blame. I wonder is this supposed to be what democracy is supposed to be?

It's the same thing that happens to every religion, it starts out with good intentions yet it ends up being used and abused by those who wield power. Frankly, I don't think any human can yield power without becoming corrupt, evil or whatnot.
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Postby Jing on Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:25 pm

wow riot, i never knew you were so pro bush, or at least so pro american.

lol.. :lol:
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Postby Riot on Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:26 pm

How do I know I'm free? I can say things like "Fuck President Bush". I can go to college and become anything I want or I can go to a trade school or I can join the military. I can buy whatever I want and become whatever I want. I won't be judged because of my skin (although, some of that still is around) and women make equal pay as men.

America is Freedom compared to other parts of the world. Is Freedom perfect? Hell no. Nothing is perfect, which is why I doubt God. But it's the greatest thing I have on this planet. I can't speak for everyone, I can only speak for myself, but I think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. The ability to choose is a very overlooked thing by most Americans and other free nations. The right to choose basically however we want to live our life. Where we want to live, how, why, when, where, ect.

Maybe I should be more clear. I'm not saying I don't "believe" in God or religion. I'm simply saying it seems too fairy-taleish and some people take it too seriously. Maybe when I get old I'll discover faith, and I hope I do, but at this stage I don't see it. But I do see Freedom because I live in it everyday. I wake up every morning and I put on my Red, White and Blue colored glasses and go CHOOSE everything. :lol: Obviously there will be laws, loopholes, corruption, ect in any kind of government or anything human's touch. But Freedom is different than most things. The government can be "corrupt" and you can think that, but Freedom isn't. That's why I love it. I don't know how to explain it really. It's just something you have in your gut.

That's my gospel for the day. :lol:
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Postby Riot on Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:27 pm

jxuusa wrote:wow riot, i never knew you were so pro bush, or at least so pro american.

lol.. :lol:


You didn't? I thought it was quite obvious. I'm the only pro-Bush and pro-America on these boards. But more importantly, I'm pro-Freedom. :wink:
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Re: Bush Hallucinating as Always

Postby IndianaPacersMan on Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:27 pm

Bang wrote:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4317498.stm

Well probably people have heard about this. Bush saying he got a message from God to kill a lot of people. Yea, I'm so sure God wants it. Maybe he means Baal. I'm not quite sure.

And yes Cable Guy, I know Riot's gonna say shit. I think that's the intent.
And this is why we need to get that crackhead out of office.

I would rather have Clinton in office.
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Postby Cable on Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:32 pm

Riot, we have freedom in Canada too. It's not like the States is the only free country. Jeez, we even have gay marriage now :lol:. There's also lots of places in Europe that are considered free, and Australia too. There are many different opinions about freedom, it's not like there's a solid definition of 'this is freedom and this isn't'.


It looks like I'll have to start reading your entire posts if I want to keep up with you :wink:
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Postby Riot on Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:34 pm

Cable Guy wrote:Riot, we have freedom in Canada too. It's not like the States is the only free country. Jeez, we even have gay marriage now :lol:. There's also lots of places in Europe that are considered free, and Australia too. There are many different opinions about freedom, it's not like there's a solid definition of 'this is freedom and this isn't'.


It looks like I'll have to start reading your entire posts if I want to keep up with you :wink:


Riot wrote:You didn't? I thought it was quite obvious. I'm the only pro-Bush and pro-America on these boards. But more importantly, I'm pro-Freedom. :wink:


Of course there are more free nations than just America. That's why I said I was pro-America and pro-Freedom. I support Freedom for every nation, not just America.
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Postby IndianaPacersMan on Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:36 pm

Riot wrote::roll: When did I say that? I said I wouldn't care if Bush came out and said his dog told him to invade Iraq. I don't care if a freaking telephone pole told him. I don't support the mission because President Bush said so.
Bush is crazy....he is basically sending troups in there to die.

I don't remember how many Ohio/Indy soldiers have died, but I know it's alot....I can't wait til we get him out of office.
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Postby Cable on Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:36 pm

Like I said, I have to read all of your posts. I haven't done that yet :roll:
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Postby Riot on Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:41 pm

IndianaPacersMan wrote:
Riot wrote::roll: When did I say that? I said I wouldn't care if Bush came out and said his dog told him to invade Iraq. I don't care if a freaking telephone pole told him. I don't support the mission because President Bush said so.
Bush is crazy....he is basically sending troups in there to die.

I don't remember how many Ohio/Indy soldiers have died, but I know it's alot....I can't wait til we get him out of office.


He's sending them in there to liberate a country, take out the taliban (in Afghanistan) and stop tyranny in Iraq. Those soldiers signed up for the military, they knew they had a possiblity of going to war.

The War on Terror and the War in Iraq are 100% justified, that isn't an agrument anymore. Now, Bush outlined WMD's more-so than any other issue but that doesn't mean we didn't have other reasons to invade Iraq. According to U.N. sanctions and policies, they were in volation of over 12 different violations/policies set by the United Nations. Not to mention that Saddam did have WMD's and that he was murdering his own people.

He isn't "sending them in there to die". He's sending them in there to make a difference, and so far we've made a pretty big difference. Iraq is about to vote on it's own consitution that the IRAQI's came up with.

And guess what? There will probably be even more troops sent out to Iran, Syria and other ME countries. You'll just have to put up with it for 3 more years.
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Postby Cable on Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:47 pm

I finally read your posts. I agree with everything, except one. I believe that there is a God, but God is not some all-good being. He gets angry and punishes those who do not do His will, I think that the War on Terrorism is God's way of punishing the terrorists.

Thanks Riot, you actually made me think about my religion. I mean that seriously.
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Postby cyanide on Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:05 pm

Riot wrote:You didn't? I thought it was quite obvious. I'm the only pro-Bush and pro-America on these boards. But more importantly, I'm pro-Freedom. :wink:


:lol: oh man, I don't know which is funnier, that, or "the American way." Ah Riot, you crack me up.

You're making some pretty good points in your arguments these days. I gotta keep up with the political updates, but my damn projects are keeping me from getting my hands wet. Maybe Indy will substitute for me ;)

Cable Guy: You don't have to believe in God in order to see how the world works as it is. I believe in God, but the God I believe in is totally different from what the traditional conservatives believe in. My beliefs have a lot of metaphysical and philosophical underlyings, but don't throw away your faith, but question it. I'm not religious, but I'm spiritual, there's a difference.
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Postby Riot on Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:07 pm

I don't understand what is so funny about "The American Way". Sure, it's corny but I meant it.

I'm use to being in debates by myself though. It's usually 10 on 1.
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Postby Cable on Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:14 pm

Yeah Cy, I know what you mean. I go to a catholic school, so God is everywhere, but I don't think I'm very religious, more that I believe there is a God, but not that I need to base all that I do on pleasing him, more that I need to just be a good person.
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Postby Riot on Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:16 pm

Cable Guy wrote:Yeah Cy, I know what you mean. I go to a catholic school, so God is everywhere, but I don't think I'm very religious, more that I believe there is a God, but not that I need to base all that I do on pleasing him, more that I need to just be a good person.


You see, that's kind of religion I like. You can have a religion and go to church but don't let it take over your life. Live your life trying to do good and help each other but be yourself! Don't let it dominate your life style because then is life really worth living?
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