BIBLICAL debates 2005

[Jackal]

You mean the reason I've such an asshole is because everyone is an asshole to me? That explains it all.

Sheesh, now I can finally say goodbye to my shrink, after I kick her head off her shoulders for not telling me what you just told me & burning a hole in my pocket.

[bullsfan009]

That's not what it's saying at all, nor me, Jackal. It's talking about reserving judgments on others, b/c otherwise you'll be judged in the same unfair, biased, & incomplete way that you judge others.

It's not talking about how others act towards you, it's talking about how you should act towards others. The "speck in your eye, plank in your brother's" just means that you can't clearly judge/correct/etc anyone else until you've dealt with yourself first.

Using the statement, you'll only be able to "see" clearly enough once you've cleaned your own eyes to be able to help others.

Once again, I'm not judging you, but telling you why I'm not judging you...

take it easy, man, peace-

[Jackal]

So I shouldn't have kicked my shrinks head into the pavement? Gee...thanks for telling me that now.

[COOLmac©]

pretty nice saying there bullsfan.....although i never used that verse cause of the complexity it brings.

okay back to the lessons


i returned here with another lesson on the God head. or the heirarchy of the heavenly beings. as i have said on the past that it is not very biblical to say that God, Jesus and the Holy spirit is one being. they are seperate entities that have each individual personas. we learned form previous lessons that the Holy spirit can feel greif and can be angered [future lessons]. therefore He is not just a separate spirit But a certain Individual too.

Someone question the issue of the Godhead when i opened it up. so lets start this by answering the question. what is the role of the Holy Spirit in the Godhead? how hih is he in the ladder?

first lets read:
John 13:16
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

here Jesus spoke of heirarchy in the ranks in heaven and in earth. very clear instructions here folks

John 10:29
My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Jesus here spoke about God the Father as greater than all. take note that "ALL" is a diffinite conclusive conjustion. which means that when you are greater than all, there can be noone greater than you. so in this statment we can safely say that God is the head of everything:

1. GOD the father


John 5:30
I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Galatians 4:6
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

here Jesus states that God has sent him. as stated above
noone is Greater than the One that sent Him. so safely we can say that Jesus as the son of God is somehwere next to God in the Heirarchy

1.God the father
2. Jesus

what about the Holy Spirit? ever since the beginning of time God has sent His Holy Spirit. in Genesis we can read that God sent The Holy Spirit to form the mountains and the land. and to the ages poeple of God were given the Holy Spirit to know the goodnews. here are some good readings

1Thessalonicans 4:8
He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given, unto us his Holy Spirit.

Ephessians 3:5
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

John 7:39
(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

John 3:34
For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

here we can sefely say that the Holy Spirit is next to Jesus. why? because of this STatement. " for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)"
waiting for Jesus first to be glorified before the Holy Spirit can act. this is only fitting as the head of the heirarchy is God the father, then Jesus as the son will surely follow.

1. GOD the father
2. Jesus the Christ
3. Holy Spirit

[bullsfan009]

ok I'm following you here...

another passage suggesting the Holy Spirit to be #3 and Jesus #2:

ACTS 8:15-16: When they arrived, they prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit had not yet come upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into[a] the name of the Lord Jesus.

I have some questions also: How do you interpret the following passage? The church was strengthened b/c it was encouraged by the Holy Spirit, but grew in numbers out of fear of Lord (God the Father i assume)...

ACTS 9:31: "Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee and Samaria enjoyed a time of peace. It was strengthened; and encouraged by the Holy Spirit, it grew in numbers, living in the fear of the Lord."

And another question: the holy spirit is often referred to as being a "gift"- why is that?

[COOLmac©]

lets take it slowly folks. alot of question stockpiling already, we will touch those all in a matter of time okay.....so on to the next lesson.

here are some teachings of the Holy spirit

GALATIANS 5:17
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
GALATIANS 5:18
But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
GALATIANS 5:19
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
GALATIANS 5:20
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
GALATIANS 5:21
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
GALATIANS 5:22
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
GALATIANS 5:23
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.



so if you dont follow these laws of The Spirit then you are sinning against the Holy Spirit. and heres another scary part of the Holy Spirit. we all know that if you sinned you can be forgiven, but do you know there are also many unforgiveable sins? and one of those sins is related to the holy spirit. here it is. so next time take care

MARK 3:28
Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
MARK 3:29
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.
so be very careful now guys. when the bible say "never" it really means it.

Quote:
ACTS 8:15-16: When they arrived, they prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit had not yet come upon any of them; they had simply been baptized into[a] the name of the Lord Jesus.



I have some questions also: How do you interpret the following passage? The church was strengthened b/c it was encouraged by the Holy Spirit, but grew in numbers out of fear of Lord (God the Father i assume)...

ACTS 9:31: "Then the church throughout Judea, Galilee and Samaria enjoyed a time of peace. It was strengthened; and encouraged by the Holy Spirit, it grew in numbers, living in the fear of the Lord."

And another question: the holy spirit is often referred to as being a "gift"- why is that?

great passage my winning piece in one of my debates. you know i used to debate a guy that all it takes to be baptist is by the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, man o man you should have seen his face when i read that verse
anyways i'll explained the gift part soon. thats all for now good day

[bullsfan009]

thanks COOLmac, this is really good so far

I had no idea about the unforgivable sin of blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Is this true also for God the Father & Jesus?

[COOLmac©]

nope. i think only fot the Holy Spirit.....although God specifically said not to blaspheme His name, He stills forgives. and Jesus never said anything about having His name blaspheme or anything, simply that we must believe in Him.
so far only the Holy Spirit....scary isnt it? atleast poeple know now.
i'll add more monday.
i have a boxing match tomorrow and i'll be a bit busy. but monday's lesson will be the Holy Spirit and other unforgiveable act against the Holy Spirit.
peace out

[cyanide]

i have a boxing match tomorrow ... but monday's lesson will be the Holy Spirit

A preacher at a boxing match... kinda humorous, don't you think?

[COOLmac©]

i have a boxing match tomorrow ... but monday's lesson will be the Holy Spirit

A preacher at a boxing match... kinda humorous, don't you think?

good thing i aint a preacher that would be a cracker!!!

anyways for the question why the HOLY SPIRIT refferred to be as a "gift"

lets read these verses first

Luke 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

now we can read here that there is a thing as filled with the Holy Spirit. once God sent his Spirit to us. there can only be two things that can happen. either we accept it fully as a gift or reject it. many of us is not fully accepting the Holy Spirit. here's an example

John 13:2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, to betray him;

Luk 22:3 Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.

here the example teaches that not everyone accepts the Holy Spirit. next lesson will be what will happen if we accpet the Gift of the Holy Spirit?
thats all for now thank you

[bullsfan009]

You make it sound extreme though by using Judas having the devil in him as an example of not fully accepting the Holy Spirit.

It's not one or the other is it? Fully accepting the Holy Spirit or the devil entering you? What do you think?

[cyanide]

I'd like to see The Exorcism of Emily Rose when it comes out... btw, that's an example of the devil entering her, since it's "based on a true story."

[COOLmac©]

cool i heard about that cy. one of those movies that will not letme sleep soundly at night

anyways bullsfan. everytime you do a major sin. e.g. murder/rape or anything planned and not just out in the open. you bet the devil enters you thats what i believe

[bullsfan009]

anyways bullsfan. everytime you do a major sin. e.g. murder/rape or anything planned and not just out in the open. you bet the devil enters you thats what i believe

Yes, I agree with you there...I'm just asking don't you think there are people in the middle...who aren't full of the Holy Spirit or the devil...

[Jackal]

The Devil doesn't enter me...

If I commit a major sin is because I find pleasure in it. It pleases me. Not only at that moment, but at the moment before I've commited the sin & long after I've commited the sin.

I commited sin today. Had they kept me in holding longer, I would've stayed. (As if I'd have a choice though.)

[COOLmac©]

anyways bullsfan. everytime you do a major sin. e.g. murder/rape or anything planned and not just out in the open. you bet the devil enters you thats what i believe

Yes, I agree with you there...I'm just asking don't you think there are people in the middle...who aren't full of the Holy Spirit or the devil...

i do beleive there are poeple that exist like the one that you describe....they are the lost sheeps. more lessons to be added monday. i'm bush in thinking scriptures stuff right now. a bit busy thanks for sticking around bullsfan

and jackal. what major sinned did you commit? hehehe

[bullsfan009]

Had they kept me in holding longer, I would've stayed. (As if I'd have a choice though.)

I don't understand what you mean here...

And also Jackal, how do you feel when you do good? Do you also feel pleasure from that? What about when people sin against you? How do you feel then? I'm not a shrink, but I'm just wondering...


BTW, I'm going to be out until Monday, so peace out everyone

[Jackal]

I'd rather not talk about the sin given it's kind of fresh in my mind & I don't really wanna go back to that. Thanks for the concern though.

I don't understand what you mean here...

Kept in holding = a cell...the cops, the popo...clear now?

How do I feel when I do good? Just as when I do bad? It's all for kicks. People sin against me? Then I feel rage. They did wrong against my sister. I felt rage. Then I went & vented that rage on them. You should ask them how they feel now.

Hehe, they should try to sin against anyone's sister or female relative again...

[AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy]

The point when choosing one's moral path comes down to this: Are you willing to do to others what you do not want them to do to you? And if you do, can you accept it? If the answer is yes to both questions, then you are beyond good or evil, beyond truth or lie, beyond right or wrong. A man who fears nothing is not a free man. The trully free man is the one who not only fears nothing, but also hopes for nothing. Hope binds you, with failure of realisation setting you back and lessening the appreciation towards yourself.

In a few words. It is not necessary to be 'good' or 'right' to be happy. You have to be 'aware' and devoid of hope and fear to be happy.

Just my 1000 dollars for the day...

[cyanide]

How does one be happy when there's nothing to hope for, as there's nothing to look forward to? Does life end there?

[AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy]

How does one be happy when there's nothing to hope for, as there's nothing to look forward to? Does life end there?

Being devoid of hope does not equal being devoid of goals or motivation. You set your goals, then you form a plan of action, then you execute it, adjusting when needed.

When I say 'hope' I mean the frustrating thing of having high goals always in the front of your mind, rather than in the back. The pressure builds up, and the need for fast results is immense.

You cannot constantly 'hope' for your goals to become reality. You cannot base your existence on it.

What you can do, is set your goals and work harder every day, knowing deep down inside that by doing that you maximize your chances of getting to the desired point. If you initially fail, adjust yourself up and try again. And again, and again, adjusting and readjusting. If you find yourself in the point when you realise that trying harder is keeping you from your aother goals, it's time to call it quits. But NEVER, EVER, 'hope' that you will fulfill your goal. Just bask at your greatly increased possibility of doing it, as a result of education on the subject of interest and a lot of hard work.

[cyanide]

I see your point, and I see how effective that can be. What about both hope and determination? What if I set my goals and work hard every day, increasing the chance of getting to the desired point, and at the same time dream (or hope?). With the hope, there's that spot of happiness, and without it, it seems empty and possibly lacking motivation. Then again, even with hope, it can backfire.

[AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy]

But my point was that a man can reach happiness solely based on the feeling that he is doing his best and then some to improve himself everyday. The end result does not have to be overlly specific, but given th efact that he is fighting for it, he knows deep inside that he will eventually be there or thereabouts. Which means he is happy. BEFORE he even achieves his goal. Which translates to: Happy pretty much all the time.

[COOLmac©]

i think the only time can be happy in this lifetime is during the time he feels rested and have his love ones secured. beyond that i dont know. inner peace is found at time of relaxing. ahhh the great warm air blowing to your ears takes off the shit of your back from this life....but oh well everyone has his own preferences

i don't think your argument there can be sustanable DW. i mean you cant take away hope. even you hope for a good future, regarding family, life and stuff....

[AlwaysWhat,NeverWhy]

i don't think your argument there can be sustanable DW. i mean you cant take away hope. even you hope for a good future, regarding family, life and stuff....

You misinterpret goals with hopes... Those are perfectly feasible goals... and you have to educate yourself, plan, execute and adjust to fulfill them. Doing so will bring happiness...