Realistic Sliders Thread (All Slider Discussions Here!)

Andrew,
What does "Fakeout Discipline" mean? What happens when it is a higher or lower number?
Is there a link explaining all the gameplay settings?

it determines how effective fakes will be at eluding defenders.

ok sorry for long time without posting how my sliders do in a game, i been restarting my dynasty to work out some stuff so i havent had any games against a high scoring team like dallas or phoenix, but i played against San Antonio and my next game is against the Lakers, but here are the results from San Antonio

Hi all. I have been playing with these sliders some time. I think they are the most realistic i have played. I challenge you all to test them!

jrsmith23 NBA Live 2005 Sliders

Level: All Star
Quarter Length: 10 mins

Global Sliders

Game Speed: 36
Free Throw Difficulty: 55
Boundary Force Field: 65
Injury Frequency: 50
Fatigue Effect: 55
Charge/Block Foul Frequency: 50
Shooting Foul Frequency: 30
Reach-in Foul Frequency: 30
In-air Collision Foul Frequency: 60

User Sliders

User Steal Ability: 0
User Interception Ability: 0
User Shot Block Ability: 0
User Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability: 10
User Freestyle Effectiveness: 45
User Dunk vs. Lay-up Frequency: 10
User Substitution Frequency: 0
User On-ball Defense Assist: 45
User Offensive Rebounding: 40
User Defensive Rebounding: 50
User Fakeout Discipline: 90
User Short Range Shooting: 43
User Medium Range Shooting: 43
User Long Range Shooting: 43
User Dunk Percentage: 50
User Lay-up Percentage: 65
User Adjusted Shot Percentage: 45
User On-ball Defense: 40
User Poor Release Shot Percent: 50
User Double-team Effectiveness: 50
User Pro Hop Effectiveness: 30
User Drop Step Effectiveness: 30

CPU Sliders

CPU Steal Ability: 30
CPU Interception Ability: 20
CPU Shot Block Ability: 5
CPU Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability: 15
CPU Freestyle Effectiveness: 45
CPU Dunk Frequency: 10
CPU Substitution Frequency: 70
CPU Offensive Rebounding: 40
CPU Defensive Rebounding: 50
CPU Fakeout Discipline: 50
CPU Short Range Shooting: 57
CPU Medium Range Shooting: 57
CPU Long Range Shooting: 57
CPU Dunk Percentage: 50
CPU Lay-up Percentage: 65
CPU Adjusted Shot Percentage: 50
CPU Adjusted Shot Frequency: 40
CPU On-ball Physical Defense: 50
CPU Poor Release Shot Percent: 50
CPU Double-team Effectiveness: 50
CPU Pro Hop Effectiveness: 40
CPU Drop Step Effectiveness: 40

If someone test them, please post your answers!
i LoVe THiS GaMe!!!

do you install sliders yourself like move them one by one or is there a file where u can replace all the sliders

You apply them yourself. They're stored in a .dat file but I believe that file also contains most (if not all) of the other game settings, some of which may not be to your liking (or as far as detail settings are concerned, suitable for your PC's capabilities).

I'm having some problems with the realistic sliders (the one's posted on the main page).

I'm always getting 120+ points games and often over .500 for the team FGA. Fouls aren't too good either as I'm usually getting a 2:1 ratio against me.

I'm playing at All-Star, 12 minutes quarters and usually, I take control of the PG on defense so the shooting fouls rarely comes from me.

So what would be the specific slider to drop down both team FGA and points at the same time?

When I was playing 10 minutes quarters it worked fine but in a season, I do check out the minutes played stat a lot so...

Does anyone have any suggestions for my sliders? Currently these are the ones im using:

Quarter Length: 9 mins
Difficulty: All-Star
GLOBAL:

Game Speed: 50
Free Throw Difficulty: 22 (I suck at FT shooting)
Boundary Force Field: 70
Injury Frequency: 100
Fatigue Effect: 50
Charge/Block Foul Frequency: 80
Shooting Foul Frequency: 50
Reach-in Foul Frequency: 55
In-air Collision Foul Frequency: 100

USER:

User Steal Ability: 45
User Interception Ability: 40
User Shot Block Ability: 50
User Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability: 45
User Freestyle Effectiveness: 55
User Dunk vs. Lay-up Frequency: 50
User Substitution Frequency: 80
User On-ball Defense Assist: 70
User Offensive Rebounding: 50
User Defensive Rebounding: 75
User Fakeout Discipline: 100
User Short Range Shooting: 50
User Medium Range Shooting: 50
User Long Range Shooting: 55
User Dunk Percentage: 70
User Lay-up Percentage: 80
User Adjusted Shot Percentage: 50
User On-ball Defense: 90
User Poor Release Shot Percent: 50
User Double-team Effectiveness: 100
User Pro Hop Effectiveness: 55
User Drop Step Effectiveness: 55

CPU:

CPU Steal Ability: 15
CPU Interception Ability: 10
CPU Shot Block Ability: 0
CPU Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability: 0
CPU Freestyle Effectiveness: 40
CPU Dunk Frequency: 20
CPU Substitution Frequency: 50
CPU Offensive Rebounding: 50
CPU Defensive Rebounding: 55
CPU Fakeout Discipline: 50
CPU Short Range Shooting: 45
CPU Medium Range Shooting: 45
CPU Long Range Shooting: 45
CPU Dunk Percentage: 50
CPU Lay-up Percentage: 50
CPU Adjusted Shot Percentage: 25
CPU Adjusted Shot Frequency: 35
CPU On-ball Physical Defense: 30
CPU Poor Release Shot Percent: 35
CPU Double-team Effectiveness: 30
CPU Pro Hop Effectiveness: 45
CPU Drop Step Effectiveness: 45
Usually I get scores that are in the 120s for both teams, not uncommon for me to be playing in a game where the teams combine for 300.

User Short Range Shooting: 50
User Medium Range Shooting: 50
User Long Range Shooting: 55

User Poor Release Shot Percent: 50

CPU:

CPU Short Range Shooting: 45
CPU Medium Range Shooting: 45
CPU Long Range Shooting: 45

CPU Poor Release Shot Percent: 35

Usually I get scores that are in the 120s for both teams, not uncommon for me to be playing in a game where the teams combine for 300.

Damn!! 300 combine in a 9 minutes game. Even with my ratings I never went that high in 10 minutes.

So I would suggest putting the Poor Release Shot Percent higher for both the CPU and User (which will force you to release better shots) and lowering range shooting until you can get a realistic FG% for both teams.

Hope this helps!

hi ~ Andrew
Always ... Thanks for your roster.

I think ... Andrew Sliders v2.0

[Good]

ⓐ USER Possible FastBack
ⓑ CPU Realistic 3 Pointers Shot Attempted Per Game
ⓒ CPU Realistic Team Assits and Block Per Game

[Bad]

ⓐ Not Realistic CPU Field Goals Attempted Per Game
ex. 12 Min : CPU 90 + 100 + Field Goals Attempted

Aisixers3 Sliders v2
Quarter Length: 9 mins
Difficulty: All-Star
GLOBAL:

Game Speed: 50
Free Throw Difficulty: 22 (I suck at FT shooting)
Boundary Force Field: 70
Injury Frequency: 90
Fatigue Effect: 50
Charge/Block Foul Frequency: 80
Shooting Foul Frequency: 50
Reach-in Foul Frequency: 55
In-air Collision Foul Frequency: 100

USER:

User Steal Ability: 45
User Interception Ability: 40
User Shot Block Ability: 50
User Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability: 45
User Freestyle Effectiveness: 55
User Dunk vs. Lay-up Frequency: 50
User Substitution Frequency: 80
User On-ball Defense Assist: 70
User Offensive Rebounding: 50
User Defensive Rebounding: 75
User Fakeout Discipline: 100
User Short Range Shooting: 45
User Medium Range Shooting: 45
User Long Range Shooting: 50
User Dunk Percentage: 70
User Lay-up Percentage: 80
User Adjusted Shot Percentage: 50
User On-ball Defense: 90
User Poor Release Shot Percent: 50
User Double-team Effectiveness: 100
User Pro Hop Effectiveness: 55
User Drop Step Effectiveness: 55

CPU:

CPU Steal Ability: 15
CPU Interception Ability: 10
CPU Shot Block Ability: 0
CPU Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability: 0
CPU Freestyle Effectiveness: 40
CPU Dunk Frequency: 20
CPU Substitution Frequency: 50
CPU Offensive Rebounding: 50
CPU Defensive Rebounding: 55
CPU Fakeout Discipline: 50
CPU Short Range Shooting: 40
CPU Medium Range Shooting: 40
CPU Long Range Shooting: 40
CPU Dunk Percentage: 50
CPU Lay-up Percentage: 50
CPU Adjusted Shot Percentage: 25
CPU Adjusted Shot Frequency: 35
CPU On-ball Physical Defense: 30
CPU Poor Release Shot Percent: 50
CPU Double-team Effectiveness: 30
CPU Pro Hop Effectiveness: 45
CPU Drop Step Effectiveness: 45
These were my results for the last game using these sliders.
Boston Philadelphia

Pts 104 113
Rebs 39 45
Ast 9 24
Stl 6 4
Blk 5 5
Fouls 21 25
TO 10 14
FG/Att 35/90 44/83
FG% .389 .530
3P/Att 2/15 2/17
3P% .133 .118
FT/Att 32/45 23/27
FT% .711 .852
O. Reb 12 5
D. Reb 27 40

Any more suggestions?

Code:

These are the most accurate and generalized sliders. They are a creation of 124 watched/simmed/played games all with players the same height and ratings. Tweaked to the finest detail and then compared to real statistics. Multiple linear regression results combined with linear weights of over 10 popular and recently updated sliders.

Optimized for 12 minutes & All Star

Other minute to Game speed settings(untested):
Min   Game Speed
12......41
11      49
10......59
9       70
8.......84
7       100

GLOBAL:

Game Speed.........................41
Free Throw Difficulty:             55
Boundary Force Field...............55
Injury Frequency:                  44
Fatigue Effect.....................52
Charge/Block Foul Frequency:       54
Shooting Foul Frequency............30
Reach-in Foul Frequency:           22
In-air Collision Foul Frequency....62

USER:

User Steal Ability.................36
User Interception Ability:         21
User Shot Block Ability.............5
User Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability:    14
User Freestyle Effectiveness.......38
User Dunk vs. Lay-up Frequency:    29
User Substitution Frequency........40
User On-ball Defense Assist:       46
User Offensive Rebounding..........25
User Defensive Rebounding:         83
User Fakeout Discipline............97
User Short Range Shooting:         54
User Medium Range Shooting.........54
User Long Range Shooting:          49
User Dunk Percentage...............57
User Lay-up Percentage:            57
User Adjusted Shot Percentage......49
User On-ball Defense:              50
User Poor Release Shot Percent.....45
User Double-team Effectiveness:    50
User Pro Hop Effectiveness.........37
User Drop Step Effectiveness:      47

CPU:

CPU Steal Ability..................28
CPU Interception Ability:           8
CPU Shot Block Ability..............5
CPU Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability:     14
CPU Freestyle Effectiveness........36
CPU Dunk Frequency:                29
CPU Substitution Frequency.........50
CPU Offensive Rebounding:          33
CPU Defensive Rebounding...........73
CPU Fakeout Discipline:            70
CPU Short Range Shooting...........58
CPU Medium Range Shooting:         48
CPU Long Range Shooting............47
CPU Dunk Percentage:               54
CPU Lay-up Percentage..............54
CPU Adjusted Shot Percentage:      47
CPU Adjusted Shot Frequency........54
CPU On-ball Physical Defense:      42
CPU Poor Release Shot Percent......45
CPU Double-team Effectiveness:     50
CPU Pro Hop Effectiveness..........47
CPU Drop Step Effectiveness:       47

The reason why the scoring is so high is because of the inside scoring (including the CPU) and low levels of defense. I have made my final adjustment to the sliders and my scores for 12 min quarters are NBA standard. It is hard to score 100 points with them. Hey boss Andrew, I hope you try these too ^^.

Ron's Final All-Star Sliders

Global Sliders

Game Speed: 33
Free Throw Difficulty: 40
Boundary Force Field: 50
Injury Frequency: 60
Fatigue Effect: 55
Charge/Block Foul Frequency: 50
Shooting Foul Frequency: 10
Reach-in Foul Frequency: 15
In-air Collision Foul Frequency: 60

User Sliders

User Steal Ability: 10
User Interception Ability: 10
User Shot Block Ability: 10
User Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability: 33 (makes it harder to score in the paint)
User Freestyle Effectiveness: 33
User Dunk vs. Lay-up Frequency: 33
User Substitution Frequency: 0
User On-ball Defense Assist: 100
User Offensive Rebounding: 25
User Defensive Rebounding: 75
User Fakeout Discipline: 90
User Short Range Shooting: 30
User Medium Range Shooting: 45
User Long Range Shooting: 45

User Dunk Percentage: 0
User Lay-up Percentage: 0
User Adjusted Shot Percentage: 0

You and the CPU will still score on the inside at a regular rate, but not quite as successful as before because of the defense, positioning, etc.

User On-ball Defense: 100
User Poor Release Shot Percent: 10
User Double-team Effectiveness: 100
User Pro Hop Effectiveness: 33
User Drop Step Effectiveness: 33

CPU Sliders

CPU Steal Ability: 10
CPU Interception Ability: 10
CPU Shot Block Ability: 10
CPU Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability: 33
CPU Freestyle Effectiveness: 33
CPU Dunk Frequency: 33
CPU Substitution Frequency: 40
CPU Offensive Rebounding: 25
CPU Defensive Rebounding: 75
CPU Fakeout Discipline: 90
CPU Short Range Shooting: 30
CPU Medium Range Shooting: 45
CPU Long Range Shooting: 45
CPU Dunk Percentage: 0
CPU Lay-up Percentage: 0
CPU Adjusted Shot Percentage: 0
CPU Adjusted Shot Frequency: 10
CPU On-ball Defense: 100
CPU Poor Release Shot Percent: 10
CPU Double-team Effectiveness: 100
CPU Pro Hop Effectiveness: 33
CPU Drop Step Effectiveness: 33

Code:

These are the most accurate and generalized sliders. They are a creation of 124 watched/simmed/played games all with players the same height and ratings. Tweaked to the finest detail and then compared to real statistics. Multiple linear regression results combined with linear weights of over 10 popular and recently updated sliders.

Optimized for 12 minutes & All Star

Other minute to Game speed settings(untested):
Min   Game Speed
12......41
11      49
10......59
9       70
8.......84
7       100

GLOBAL:

Game Speed.........................41
Free Throw Difficulty:             55
Boundary Force Field...............55
Injury Frequency:                  44
Fatigue Effect.....................52
Charge/Block Foul Frequency:       54
Shooting Foul Frequency............30
Reach-in Foul Frequency:           22
In-air Collision Foul Frequency....62

USER:

User Steal Ability.................36
User Interception Ability:         21
User Shot Block Ability.............5
User Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability:    14
User Freestyle Effectiveness.......38
User Dunk vs. Lay-up Frequency:    29
User Substitution Frequency........40
User On-ball Defense Assist:       46
User Offensive Rebounding..........25
User Defensive Rebounding:         83
User Fakeout Discipline............97
User Short Range Shooting:         54
User Medium Range Shooting.........54
User Long Range Shooting:          49
User Dunk Percentage...............57
User Lay-up Percentage:            57
User Adjusted Shot Percentage......49
User On-ball Defense:              50
User Poor Release Shot Percent.....45
User Double-team Effectiveness:    50
User Pro Hop Effectiveness.........37
User Drop Step Effectiveness:      47

CPU:

CPU Steal Ability..................28
CPU Interception Ability:           8
CPU Shot Block Ability..............5
CPU Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability:     14
CPU Freestyle Effectiveness........36
CPU Dunk Frequency:                29
CPU Substitution Frequency.........50
CPU Offensive Rebounding:          33
CPU Defensive Rebounding...........73
CPU Fakeout Discipline:            70
CPU Short Range Shooting...........58
CPU Medium Range Shooting:         48
CPU Long Range Shooting............47
CPU Dunk Percentage:               54
CPU Lay-up Percentage..............54
CPU Adjusted Shot Percentage:      47
CPU Adjusted Shot Frequency........54
CPU On-ball Physical Defense:      42
CPU Poor Release Shot Percent......45
CPU Double-team Effectiveness:     50
CPU Pro Hop Effectiveness..........47
CPU Drop Step Effectiveness:       47

i tried this one ... and still win big ... although yeah, when u watch it, the game is very realistic. im gonna try others too.

Code:

These are the most accurate and generalized sliders. They are a creation of 124 watched/simmed/played games all with players the same height and ratings. Tweaked to the finest detail and then compared to real statistics. Multiple linear regression results combined with linear weights of over 10 popular and recently updated sliders.

Optimized for 12 minutes & All Star

Other minute to Game speed settings(untested):
Min   Game Speed
12......41
11      49
10......59
9       70
8.......84
7       100

GLOBAL:

Game Speed.........................41
Free Throw Difficulty:             55
Boundary Force Field...............55
Injury Frequency:                  44
Fatigue Effect.....................52
Charge/Block Foul Frequency:       54
Shooting Foul Frequency............30
Reach-in Foul Frequency:           22
In-air Collision Foul Frequency....62

USER:

User Steal Ability.................36
User Interception Ability:         21
User Shot Block Ability.............5
User Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability:    14
User Freestyle Effectiveness.......38
User Dunk vs. Lay-up Frequency:    29
User Substitution Frequency........40
User On-ball Defense Assist:       46
User Offensive Rebounding..........25
User Defensive Rebounding:         83
User Fakeout Discipline............97
User Short Range Shooting:         54
User Medium Range Shooting.........54
User Long Range Shooting:          49
User Dunk Percentage...............57
User Lay-up Percentage:            57
User Adjusted Shot Percentage......49
User On-ball Defense:              50
User Poor Release Shot Percent.....45
User Double-team Effectiveness:    50
User Pro Hop Effectiveness.........37
User Drop Step Effectiveness:      47

CPU:

CPU Steal Ability..................28
CPU Interception Ability:           8
CPU Shot Block Ability..............5
CPU Dunk/Lay-up Block Ability:     14
CPU Freestyle Effectiveness........36
CPU Dunk Frequency:                29
CPU Substitution Frequency.........50
CPU Offensive Rebounding:          33
CPU Defensive Rebounding...........73
CPU Fakeout Discipline:            70
CPU Short Range Shooting...........58
CPU Medium Range Shooting:         48
CPU Long Range Shooting............47
CPU Dunk Percentage:               54
CPU Lay-up Percentage..............54
CPU Adjusted Shot Percentage:      47
CPU Adjusted Shot Frequency........54
CPU On-ball Physical Defense:      42
CPU Poor Release Shot Percent......45
CPU Double-team Effectiveness:     50
CPU Pro Hop Effectiveness..........47
CPU Drop Step Effectiveness:       47

can this sliders be used in superstar mode, and will i get good results?
i think all star mode is easy and i like the ai to be much challenging.

Friends -

Are these sliders for simulation or action?

Please advice.

Thank you in advance.

yeah, there's no way around the blocking issue unless you mod everyone's blocking stat down.

I did that using DB Commander, basically lowering everybody 5 points and some others more than 5 that didn't fit my criteria. What I did was averaged the last 3 season from the top blockers and I came up with the following.

Theo 3.51 (last 3 seasons)
Ben Wallace 2.85 bpg
T Duncan 2.75
Kirilenko 2.75
Shaq 2.39

And I gave the following rating:

B Wallace 93
T Duncan 91
Camby and Theo 87
Shaq 85
Z 84
Kato and Brand 82
And so on.

I also took in account the durability of each players and that's why Theo didn't get the highest rating but Big Ben.

hi i have a qeustion on what file to edit using dbcommander if I want to update my sliders... I have done this in the game but it changes everytime I open the game.. i dunno what is wrong....tnxx

You need to save your settings. Sliders aren't stored in a DBF file.

it automatically saves the settings once you try to exit out of the gameplay settings window right? i click on yes to save but still there are times that it wont save.

can you tell me what exact file?

thanks dude

i'm looking to a slider for 7 minuts on al-star level

m.k. I use andrew's v.2.0 and made a few tweaks (tweaks that fits you) and it worked fine with me. I play 7 mins all-star and I get an average of 60 ppg whether simulated or not. computer is very competitive. I had a game last night that ended after 2 ot's (I had to admit i'm not that good) I use spurs and it was against detroit in my spurs dynasty. (finals prediction heheh)

try it, you might enjoy it.

it automatically saves the settings once you try to exit out of the gameplay settings window right? i click on yes to save but still there are times that it wont save.

can you tell me what exact file?

thanks dude

Never encountered that problem, that is one way to save the settings (the game prompting you after changing the sliders). I'd suggest saving them again in Load/Save though.

Friends -

1. Hey guys so what is the answer? are these settings for simulation or action? or both?

2. And what are the sliders are being employed when you just want to watch a game CPU vs CPU?

I'll be looking forward for your inputs.

1. Simulation, though if you were to change the Arcade sliders to these sets it wouldn't make a difference. That toggle option basically allows you to have two sets of sliders, one for realistic gameplay and one for arcade-style gameplay, that you can easily switch between without changing all the sliders.

2. Can't help you there, I only develop User vs CPU sliders.