Do you believe in...

[COOLmac©]

evil versions

because other versions imply that JESUS= GOD ALMIGHTY=HOLY SPIRIT

because other versions imply that JESUS=only a mere man

because other versions imply that GOD=always is and will be an angry GOD


the list could go on. but the 11 AD king james is the best version which dont distort the truth. i admit old english may sound funny and when you read it seems like YODA is the one who wrote it but it tells the whole truth. and theres this writting somewhere in revelation that a pure bible exist and many other forms will appear out of nowhere and bring 1/3 of humankind into their damnnation.

its easy to spot an evil version. just look for JOHN 1:1 if it is as clouded and distorted and that it doesnt promote Jesus as a son of GOD then its the devils worksmanship


hers another example: the famous JOHN 3:16
.....that we may have everlasting life
.....that we might have everlasting life
.....that we should have everlasting life


the 2 prevoius statements promotes doubt and uncertainty while the last statement is from the king james which finalized our salvation.

doubt and uncertainty=devils handy work=king of lies

[Jona]

That is the only 3:16 I'm familiar with...
(I hate wrestling, just wanted to make a joke.... )

[COOLmac©]

hell yeah


me as flanders?
hell no


although i could be one of those coppers or those factory guys

[Andreas Dahl]

because other versions imply that JESUS= GOD ALMIGHTY=HOLY SPIRIT

because other versions imply that JESUS=only a mere man

Jesus is not the holy spirit, as it is in your equation. God is the Trinity (Father, Son & Holy Spirit), although Jesus is not God. Jesus was just a regular person that was given the honour of being a part of god and spread his message to the world, sort of an avatar of God if you wish.

because other versions imply that GOD=always is and will be an angry GOD

No, it's not that god is angry by default, he is all for the love of each other and all of that. But he was very vengencefull and would strike down those who opposed him and preform sins. That was in the Old Testament though, and was like that until he pulled a 180 in the New Testament and became forgiving and all of that (Side-question: If god is eternal, then why does he change (Old/New testament)?).

doubt and uncertainty=devils handy work=king of lies

But having doubt is a part of who we are, since we were given the freedom of choice (The whole tree of wisdom thingy) by god himself. And since we have the freedom of choice then we must also by default stumble across paths that we are uncertain of which we should choose. Then in that case why would God give us a feature that would be the work of the devil? (As you said: "doubt and uncertainty=devils handy work")

[cyanide]

Excellent post, Andreas I agree with the comments, especially about the Trinity, which I think I read was invented by the Church in order to explain how Jesus = God. There is no mention that Jesus = God in the Bible. I would say that Jesus was the closest to God, but he is, by no means the equivalent of God.

[Jona]

That's why Unitarians rule!

[COOLmac©]

There is no mention that Jesus = God in the Bible. I would say that Jesus was the closest to God, but he is, by no means the equivalent of God.

errrr wrong.....well in some sense though...there is no trinity in the bible correct. GOD is the almighty so when He is almighty noone is mighteir than Him. Jesus is a God. the Holy spirit is a God. but they are not all equal. Jesus is a God? check this out

JOHN 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


see here the WORD was with GOD...... and that WORD was God......

who was that word? JOHN 1:14 and the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

who was made flesh and dwelt among us? Jesus

many imply that the WORD was also GOD the father..wrong if you read carefully the WORD was with GOD. so that makes them 2 there together. then the WORD was God. its very basic actually but many do complicate it.


Side-question: If god is eternal, then why does he change (Old/New testament)?).
He didnt. it was actually the way/stories/teachings(old testament) before He introduce His SON Jesus to us(new testament). we are on the new testament Era which means we will be judge in the new testament. so we must be more keen in the new testament than the old.

[cyanide]

Jesus is a God. the Holy spirit is a God. but they are not all equal. Jesus is a God? check this out

You said it. Jesus is a god. He's not God.

He didnt. it was actually the way/stories/teachings(old testament) before He introduce His SON Jesus to us(new testament). we are on the new testament Era which means we will be judge in the new testament. so we must be more keen in the new testament than the old.

If we're looking for an alternative explanation, the Old Testament is based on the Jewish tradition, and the New Testament is based on the post-Jesus' death Christian movement. It's funny how now we have two different religions of Judaism and Christianity. The two books have a lot of differences, particularly with God being active in the first, and very quiet in the second. If the two books can match up with tradition, but not quite match up in a lot of other ways, I would be ambivalent in determining how reliable these sources are.

[COOLmac©]

particularly with God being active in the first, and very quiet in the second.

He became quiet because He already sent His messenger (Jesus) and everything we humans has to hear we have heard from Jesus already..

the closest thing this resemble is the story about the rich man and his vineyard. how many times he sent his men to collect what is his then the workers in the vineyard just killed them. finally he send them his son who was still brutally killed. later with all his wrath he returned and pick out the good workers and send the bad ones to the hell.

ok if you put it that way JESUS is god.but he is no GOD almighty. there is only one GOD ALMIGHTY that is the father and many other gods (that includes god of lies god of mischief and everything else that a human being can consider as his god e.g. cows/cats/dogs/bats/porcupines) both FALSE gods and TRUE gods.

yes i do believe there are demons........even in this age and time.

i'm no ned flanders(i dont scare you to believe didn't i?)lets just say im some kind of a non killing CONSTANTINE (the names john.........john constantine).

[J@3]

I figured I should let you guys know, this and the other religion thread are the only ones we've seemingly had here that have good conversation, extensive posts, high knowledge AND no one trying to kill each other. Well done fella's, even you COOLmac

[Drex]

It's religion. It's all about loving each other and stuff

[COOLmac©]

yep its suppose to show the goodside of humanity. unless some freakish cult busted in here and started flaming poeple.

thanks JAE

[Andreas Dahl]

GOD is the almighty so when He is almighty noone is mighteir than Him. Jesus is a God. the Holy spirit is a God. but they are not all equal.

ok if you put it that way JESUS is god.but he is no GOD almighty. there is only one GOD ALMIGHTY that is the father and many other gods (that includes god of lies god of mischief and everything else that a human being can consider as his god e.g. cows/cats/dogs/bats/porcupines) both FALSE gods and TRUE gods.

"And this is eternal life, that they know you—the only true God." John 17:3
"You are my witnesses,‘and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me." Is. 43:10

[Ataraxia]

I thought Jesus Christ was the Son Of God.......then wait whose Moses.....hes a Prophet or one of God's messengers?

anyway I do go to Temple very often......but I think everyone has the right to believe what they want and no one has the right to change your beliefs.....even if their seen as "sick or evil" by someone.....well let them believe in it....as long as they dont try and harm someone its perfectly fine isnt it?.....I mean does it matter if u worship Maradonna or Hitler......not like your balls r gonna fall off if someone does it?

[cyanide]

but I think everyone has the right to believe what they want and no one has the right to change your beliefs.....even if their seen as "sick or evil" by someone.....well let them believe in it....as long as they dont try and harm someone its perfectly fine isnt it??

That's true, and that's something that we all need, but what is also important is the individual him/herself. If the religion the person is believing in is not causing pain to anybody else, that's excellent, but is this religion causing repression to the individual? Others are more important than the individual, but it's important that the individual does not do things that are destructive to oneself.

[Ataraxia]

well if someone calls me a .......

"Fucking Lil Brown Skinned Should Belong In A Dungeon Licking Rat Cock Because Thats All U Brown Folk Are Good At"

I wouldnt really care.....I mean sure it'll be a bit upsetting for a minute or so.....but cmon their just words.....not like hes raped u or physically harmed u.....thus ruining your mating rituals

I dont care if 50 caucasians come and tell me "Your a Brown Skinned Nigger"....(someone's already called me that).......as long as they dont dont touch the flesh they can live

[Jona]

If I were black, I definitely WOULD care if someone called me those horrible things you metioned.

[COOLmac©]

If I were black, I definitely WOULD care if someone called me those horrible things you metioned.

but then again you're not

"And this is eternal life, that they know you—the only true God." John 17:3
"You are my witnesses,‘and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me." Is. 43:10

Jesus stated that only the father is the True God for all people to finally finish off their idolatry. which is correct. God the father is really the only true God and no other gods exist before him.no contradiction if Jesus as a son of God is also a God.
son of a cow=cow
son of a dog=dog
son of God=God

the things written in Isaiah are things which happened before Jesus was made known to man and that God himself still insist to poeple to stop their idolatry ways.


ONEness is a wrong thoery...there are many things written that will proove that Jesus and God are two different entity.

Jesus is not a mere man........he exist even in Genesis. and He was made flesh to save us all. He got strip of His Godness and became as man. when He returned to the throne There He was made God again

[Andreas Dahl]

Jesus stated that only the father is the True God for all people to finally finish off their idolatry. which is correct. God the father is really the only true God and no other gods exist before him.no contradiction if Jesus as a son of God is also a God.

You contradict yourself. First you say that there is only one god, and then you say that Jesus is a god. It can't be more than one, yet you say that both god and Jesus are gods. As I quoted earlier, in the words of God himself, "Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me."Saying that there will be no other god means that there will be no other god, even if you think that it is his son.

Jesus is not a mere man........he exist even in Genesis. and He was made flesh to save us all. He got strip of His Godness and became as man. when He returned to the throne There He was made God again

Again, Jesus is not Gods son, but he was the embodyment of the son (in the trinity). He is what you could call an avatar of god and was a regular person and was placed on earth to repesent god and spread his word/work. I suppose that you keep going on the Father/Son direction to say that Jesus was the son of God, but doesn't it also say that god is everyones father? Therefor you can't really draw that parallel to say that Jesus is the son of God and that he is also god, for if you do that you must also say that we all are sons of God and that we are all Gods...

Jesus was God's perfect human representative. Though he was completely human (Philippians 2:5-8)

[COOLmac©]

you forget the 2:5-6 of Phillipians

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Philippians 2 : 6

how do you explain that Jesus in a form of God.....found even in the very verse you stated: and jesus even not equal himself to God the father. that answers the question why there is only one true God(only the almighty) because noone is greater than Him(the son cant be greater than the father) but that doesn't contradict to Jesus being a God himself

now to Jesus not being the son of God pls. refer to this

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
John 1 : 18


so this explain why Jesus is called the begotten Son. because we are all adopted sons of God. Matthew 5:43-48 You have heard that it was said, `You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven;
. but Jesus is really begotten by God literally. the human form was just the avatar. but the spirit within was Jesus who existed even the creation with God because the spirit of Jesus is eternal and is a God

[Indy]

why am i even in this thread

im not even sure what i believe in...

[Andreas Dahl]

how do you explain that Jesus in a form of God.....found even in the very verse you stated: and jesus even not equal himself to God the father. that answers the question why there is only one true God(only the almighty) because noone is greater than Him(the son cant be greater than the father) but that doesn't contradict to Jesus being a God himself

"only one true God"? So you're saying yourself that Jesus is not a true god...
You apparently didn't read the other quote I made: "You are my witnesses,‘and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me." Is. 43:10. Where he sais there has been any god nor will the be any after him.

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
John 1 : 18

so this explain why Jesus is called the begotten Son. because we are all adopted sons of God. Matthew 5:43-48 You have heard that it was said, `You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven;
. but Jesus is really begotten by God literally. the human form was just the avatar. but the spirit within was Jesus who existed even the creation with God because the spirit of Jesus is eternal and is a God

I stick with my oppinion that we are all Gods sons and that Jesus was/is the same.
I don't get what it meens that Jesus is the only begotten son. Begotten (beget) only meens that he is Gods creation... But aren't we all are gods creations? Then why is Jesus the only one? Could you explain what you meen by this?

Jesus was God's perfect human representative. Though he was completely human (Philippians 2:5-8)

[cyanide]

I don't get what it meens that Jesus is the only begotten son. Begotten (beget) only meens that he is Gods creation... But aren't we all are gods creations? Then why is Jesus the only one? Could you explain what you meen by this?

Exactly. It doesn't make sense to say that if God created all of us in "His own image" way back in the first Testament, then suddenly God chose to abandon us and single out all of us for one man. What would that make God? A hypocrite?

And if Jesus was around for as recent as 2000 years ago, would that make everybody before his death damned for all eternity since they haven't been around after Jesus' death so they can be saved?

[COOLmac©]

nope i have said it in another thread each and every one of us will be judged according to the law passed unto us.........for example youlive in the time of moses and you've heard and understand moseses law then the law of moses appllies unto you. then came Jesus time.... poeple who heard his teachings andunderstand his teachings will be judged according to the laws clarified by Jesus. and unto those who never heard of God at all. they will be judge according to the seed of law implanted within their hearts(that is their conscience) the inner good in each one of us that keep talking to us each time we do bad.

a pretty good example is the different laws that each countries has. for example your in some state and drinking beer is ok for 17 yr olds. then the law of the other state which prohibits drinking for 17 yr olds doesnt apply to you since you are in the state where beer for 17 yr.olds is ok. typically the same setup for the JUDGEMENT


the begotten term believe it or not in the hebrew translation is labor.........means perfectly as Jesus was describe to have come from God's bosom which doesn't involve him being created.

very complex

actually not everyone is considered God's sons. if the serial killer on the lose slashing people around can be consider God's son then i'll protest

[The GOAT]

What about that Serial Killer that claimed to have spoken to God through his dog?