NBA 2005 makes me verry angry

[John-John Joe]

NBA 2005 makes me verry angrry, verry angrry indeed.

"I will destroy you with my Hypo-Mo-du-la-torrr.."

[Jamesie]

the problem is, NBA Live is probably the best nba game, but has some aspects that make it very frustrating, and to say, just dont play it... well that's quite an easy reply.
It frustrates me that at times I feel like I have no control whatsoever about the outcome of the game. I took the sliders posted elsewhere on the forum and the stats indeed are realistic, but it doesnt show in the gameplay. The computer manages to double team me on every possesion, yet when I pass, the catching player is so slow and the computer is so fast, that somehow he is immediately doubleteamed again. It is also virtually impossible to drive past a defender, I couldn't get Lebron to drive past slow old defenders, ofcourse he can't blow past em every time, but a couple of times a game would be nice. The problem is that he bounces of the defender, which stops him, on the other side though, the computer runs straight into my defender which slides back allowing the computer an easy layup. Anonther annoying thing is that when my player goes for the layup and collides with a defender, he NEVER regains the ball, while the computer get's it back about 50% of the time, usually when the game is on the line and every computer player get's hot.

Things like that are frustrating, everybody then says adjust your sliders, I've beeen trying but I haven't been able to stop the computer from fully abusing the boundary force field (which I think takes care of the player contact).

Now don't all say I should just quity the game, I like the game, but at times, it can be very frustrating.

[ZipBreak]

The quick double teaming of the CPU also bothers me, but little else does. I learned the solutions to the most common irritating things I encountered in the game though.

I find that if you have a quick player and you penetrate against one or two defenders, you COULD be a step ahead. It just isn't quite apparent. What you can do is, instead of continuing to run, just press the layup button. If you ARE a step ahead, your player will lean sideways and begin the layup. One caveat though: be careful of shotblockers in your vicinity as they can swat this easily.

Another BS moment is when the CPU player plows into my defenders quite readily and make layups. In time, I find that if you don't move your player too much, then they don't get pushed out too readily either. This is the same as the rebound boxing out behavior. Did you notice that the CPU players sometimes push your player out of the way when rebounding? This is because you mistimed the jump for the rebound. In my observation, if you simply select your rebounder, and wait for the ball, that player will box out the CPU player instead. Then go grab the board when it's falling.

Loose balls due to player collissions are, well, loose balls. I noticed that the players involved in the collission have a difficult time recovering the ball as well. Sometimes, the defender gets it, sometimes my player recover it. But if you REALLY want to regain posession, simply direct-select your nearest player and chase the loose ball.

Sometimes, there's an opposing player that is simply hard to stop from scoring. But he will run into a drought at some point so be patient. The best solution I've used to counter this one is (1) limit his teammates from contributing, and (2) try to get him into foul trouble by attacking him on our offensive possession. You can also try timeouts and changing the pace of the game. They work too.

However, the secret to consistent winning is defence. Limit the other team's output and you'll be fine.

[Old School Fool]

[quote="Liviutzul"]All the computer controled players are super defenders or attackers. How can a guard lick billups, atkins can block shaq or brad biller or webber? (in real bbal this is impossible). How can a center or a power forword block my center when i am going for the lay-up and he is far behind?[quote]

I bet you any small play can block a tall guy, depending on how low he had the ball..Like if your going to do a dunk in real life, you going to brging the ball up from your hips, and if the little guy approaches with PERFECT Jump, he can nail the ball.


NOTHING IN BASKETBALL IS IMPOSSIBLE, EXCEPT FOR THE HAWKS.

[Jing]

and antoine walker.

but yeah, there are frustrating stuff, but small

[Jamesie]

ZipBreak, thanks for the advice, will try it today. It's true that they are minor flaws which are countered indeed be scoring droughts, my games are usually very close near the end.

One more thing though, is it possible to adjust the moves the players make, the crossover button. I play with a keyboard so I dont have complete freestyle controle. When I get to the middle line the defender usually blocks me, so I make a freestyle move. Sometimes it just crosses over, which is fine, but sometimes it makes a fake drive and then retreats two steps causing a backcourt violation. Any way to adjust the moves the players make?

[MaD_hAND1e]

How can a guard lick billups

Quite easily actually, they just stick their tongue out and move towards Billups. But I'm really not entirely sure why they would wanna lick him though

[cyanide]

How can a guard lick billups

Quite easily actually, they just stick their tongue out and move towards Billups. But I'm really not entirely sure why they would wanna lick him though

lol, I think he meant another word instead of lick. I'm pretty sure it's a typo

[Donatello]

I think that most users use the shot control as CPU...

And I think you're wrong.

[Sonic98]

Dude you probably need to adjust you sliders settings thats all,makes for a much better and more realistic game.Just check out the sticky post for slider settings.

I have noticed that the default sliders do have somewhat of a CPU slant to them. Have you notice the difference in the pro hop and drop step slider settings? LOL.

But then again they often seem to be too fast. They're guys seem to always be in my face, but I have notice at times them just running right past my defenders like they're stuck in glue with no free-style dribbling or anything or just sliding everyone out of the way and dunking like no one is in front of them. It's weird I'm starting to wonder if I just don't know when to go for the dunk at the right time because times it seems like I have room my guy ends up taking some crazy, stupid-looking layup and missing and they seem to be able to dunk when there appears to to be people up on em. I gotta figure out how that's done. I gotta figure out how they always seem to catch up to my guys on breaks too.

yeh the shootng thing is very bad, I traded way all my Pistons team to get the best shooters like Dirk and Peja. Peja is like the best at 3pt shooting and he can barly make a midrange Jumpshots, and he realy cant make a 3. I mean he is wide open 3-4 times a game and just cant hit them. It just seems that unless ur player is 90+ at shooting he cant make consistant jumpshots.

Plus i think the worst thing about the animation is that the player shows the ball too much while doing a lay-up, thats why CPU blocks so much.

Sometimes I wonder if the game lets CPU players ratings effect you even when they're not playing you. Like for instance it seems like against certain teams I have problems hitting 3's even when players are open. Is it program to say "well they're playing against a team with good defenders so lets make them hit less even when open?"

lol, the title sounds like it's Marvin the Martian talking.
but anyway... is the game really that bad? a lot of the problems make it sound like the game is not playable e.g. the fast break stop and catch problem, the curving passes, slow passing, blocked jumpshots etc.
Are the problems really that bad? I still haven't decided whether to get the game yet.

I don't know if 2005 is unplayable just a lot of stuff that's annoying and frustrating. That being said I do think its possible for a game to not be playable because certain flaws just make the game not be fun. I mean if Live was one year mistakenly cross with NBA Street and it lost signicant realism that would be a good reason for me to declare it unplayable. None of the problems now make it unplayable, but I don't doubt there are some things that make some think "I just don't even feel like playing right now"

[Sonic98]

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[Sonic98]

double post. Delete.

[Sonic98]

I prefer "CPU" because I want the shooting to be a reflection of the the player's ability, not my ability to time a shot.

This game makes me very angry too. I can have a great 3 point shooter wide open, feet set, facing the basket and miss several in a row. The computer, however, can hit any shot in any double team at any time. The only way to win is to fast break and shoot inside shots all day.

This is unrealistic. Basketball is a mid range game. Sure, the inside is important, but ultimately defenses can bear down. This opens up the 15 to 20 footers.

You know you are right, but I'm sure people will reply that you have to play a certain way or tell you what you're doing wrong. But to be honest I have notice that an overwhelming amount of my scoring is inside scoring. I would say 95% of my jump shots comes from 3 pointers and off posting up(which is actually inside scoring if you want to get technical). I very rarely score off short to medium-range jumpers. What happened to coming off screens and shooting or kicking it out to an open man for a mid-range shot. Players are not always 100% open in the NBA. Sometimes they have a much smaller man on them or just get it off soon enough.

I don't know maybe most of this is just against the CPU. I have not played against someone else since 04 version except a few times online. I think against other humans you get more open looks for some reason.

Strangly enough I dont have any problems with the game. I think its just the fact that you and your friends suck at this game.

So, you're saying the game is perfect, you don't see anything wrong with it, and there is nothing where the realism could not be improved?

I know a lot of people who complain just can't play. They think they should be able to do things they shouldn't be able to, but at the same time there are often problems that they complain bout that are legit.

You can't tell me that the game doesn't allow the CPU to be able to do stuff a lot of times it won't let you do in the same situation with same players like catching up to you on the fast break for example or how sometimes it seems like they're better able to keep their form under control when there is contact than you are. Maybe I'll play a few games on CPU control shots and see what happens. That's who I used to play in older versions.

[PPG324]

what is really pissin' me off is the CPU hits entirely too many 3 pt. buckets !

I got a Shaun Livingston CAP from the easports.com NBA Live forum and dude lit me up for 41 pts. last night.
Runnin' with da Bulls,I play NJ first game and J Kidd was drainin' three's regardless if I was in his shorts on D or not.

Another thing is the CPU's recovery time on steals and fast breaks !
If the CPU rips u or blocks your shot, the player you control takes forever
to recover from the play and if you gotta break the CPU will hawk you down but if it's the other way around you can just chalk it cause u ain't gonna catch him !!!

As soon as I start to like this game . . . it pisses me ALLTHEWAY off

[Donatello]

what is really pissin' me off is the CPU hits entirely too many 3 pt. buckets !

If you really have this problem (which I happen to not have), adjust the CPU long distance shooting slider

[Old School Fool]

what is really pissin' me off is the CPU hits entirely too many 3 pt. buckets !

Try playing ESPN 2K5, You'll get stomped 8/10 Times.

CPU be fucking shooting three's and making them like he is JESUS.

Besides, If the CPU takes to many shots, THEN YOU SUCK.

I've NEVER seen the CPU go for many shots.

Your all just angry because you suck and your probably playing All-Star and Superstar level. Want a fair game? Play Starter. Don't be an ass and bitch saying "I am mad CPU blah blah blah" If only YOU WOULD GO INTO SETTINGS AND CHANGE THE DIFFICULTY and stop being a Weiner.

[PPG324]

lil' dude . . . watch cha mouf old school !

yea I could change Andrew's sliders but what I'm sayin is the game is flaw'd ! if I lowered the sliders (that's goin' out like a punk) the cpu
will still drain em'

[Donatello]

lil' dude . . . watch cha mouf old school !

yea I could change Andrew's sliders but what I'm sayin is the game is flaw'd ! if I lowered the sliders (that's goin' out like a punk) the cpu
will still drain em'

goin' out like a punk? what the hell? Look- Andrew isn't God- he changed the sliders too. So it's not like if you change them it's going out like a punk, but if he changes them it's ok. And he says very clearly that they are adjusted to his style of play, and that you'll probably need to adjust them for yourself.

So it's not cheap to change the sliders- if, as you said, the game is flawed- there is a simple solution right in front of you.

[Steve [The Spiderman]]

Yeah...I never use anyone elses sliders, niether Andrew's or Ben's because you need to adjust them to your own style of play and the time you play for to make the game realistic.

[Old School Fool]

lil' dude . . . watch cha mouf old school !

Don't get me started.

Don't tell me to watch my mouth. I'm making a fucking point.

You on the other hand, need to learn to spell, and learn some grammar.

I been here longer then you. This is why New People to the NLSC get hated on because they say something smartassed and end up getting chalked at by the Vets.

P.S. I'm sorry Mod's, If this is considered flaming, or insulting the board or it's New Members in any way. I apologize.

[Metsis]

what is really pissin' me off is the CPU hits entirely too many 3 pt. buckets !

I got a Shaun Livingston CAP from the easports.com NBA Live forum and dude lit me up for 41 pts. last night.
Runnin' with da Bulls,I play NJ first game and J Kidd was drainin' three's regardless if I was in his shorts on D or not.

Another thing is the CPU's recovery time on steals and fast breaks !
If the CPU rips u or blocks your shot, the player you control takes forever
to recover from the play and if you gotta break the CPU will hawk you down but if it's the other way around you can just chalk it cause u ain't gonna catch him !!!

As soon as I start to like this game . . . it pisses me ALLTHEWAY off

CPU tends to doo a little too much from the perimeter, but not as much as it has done before... This is the Derek Fisher phenomenon... Derek scoring 40 points, Kobe 16 and Shaq 6 in Live 2003/2004 wasn't that uncommon. It ain't that bad... And I believe that if you can't stop someone the CPU keeps on going to that same guy as he's hot.

CPU has the recovery times on blocks as you have... You can catch up a CPU player running down the floor too. Though the CPU sometimes does this a little better than the player, but it can be done. Try doing this in Live 2003... No way in hell. 2004 it was a little better and it's even better now. Just don't get blocked on a three point shot... That usually leads to an easy basket in the other end... As it does in real basketball... It's always a chance for a fast break when you lose/gain the ball at the three point line. Like getting a steal with your point guard almost automatically ends up with a 2-on-1 or 3-on-2 situation.

[Ataraxia]

lil' dude . . . watch cha mouf old school !

yea I could change Andrew's sliders but what I'm sayin is the game is flaw'd ! if I lowered the sliders (that's goin' out like a punk) the cpu
will still drain em'

looks like we have a candidate for e-thug of the year, note him down Tales

Just change the sliders....anyone with brains does it....u dont have to use Andrew's or Benji's or anybody elses sliders....just tweak them a bit on your own to settings that will best suit the game on how u want it.

Going out like a punk eh, hmmm I didnt think reducing a slider ment u become a wuss

[Sonic98]

what is really pissin' me off is the CPU hits entirely too many 3 pt. buckets !

Try playing ESPN 2K5, You'll get stomped 8/10 Times.

CPU be fucking shooting three's and making them like he is JESUS.

Besides, If the CPU takes to many shots, THEN YOU SUCK.

I've NEVER seen the CPU go for many shots.

Your all just angry because you suck and your probably playing All-Star and Superstar level. Want a fair game? Play Starter. Don't be an ass and bitch saying "I am mad CPU blah blah blah" If only YOU WOULD GO INTO SETTINGS AND CHANGE THE DIFFICULTY and stop being a Weiner.

Totally clueless as most people who claim others just can't play the game are. Play on starter? And how do you know someone didn't just re-register or was away for a while. And I'm sure its not the first forum they ever posted on.

But I don't know if the computer takes or hits too many threes, but they do seem to be more likely to hit shots with people in thier face or not adjust thier shot as much when bumped.

And someone commented you don't seen many breaks in the NBA. YEs you do. IT might not be every game. But you do see it. Sometimes you might see a lot early in a game when one team isn't totally into the game or you might see a lot when a team starts rushing their offense and turning the ball over. I mean you very rarely see a lot of run and gun but you a steal, pass, or bad shot turn into a quick 2 the other way all the time. It doesn't happen all the time all game. But it can happen in bunches or several times during a game.

[Sonic98]

And on the point of sliders. People always say just adjust the sliders if the game didn't come setup correctly. But the thing is that's nice when playing against the CPU or on your own system with the sliders already setup. But no one is bout to sit through you adjusting the sliders when you play on someone else system. ANd there is no adjusting online.

[jolu]

I think there are some good points here. I also think that there is a medium between the people that say it's impossible and those that say you just don't know how to play. I mean give me a break! Either your guy is open for a shot or he's not. If he is and you let go of your button at the top of your jump you SHOULD or WILL hit the shot more often than not even with a fair shooter. However this just doesn't happen like it should. YES the cpu pulls things that the human player can't. I would imagine that those that say they have NO problems with the cpu play is cheesing. Meaning money plays or certain places on the court to take shots that for some reason is easier to make shots from or taking advantage of bad AI basically.

I heard this from someone on a Madden forum. You don't know how to play or you just suck at video games. Well when he laid down some of his tips it was money play's or moving players around that would be considered cheese or taking advantage of the bad AI.

In all honesty I can't believe anyone could get away with throwing around the 'F' bomb and putting someone down for comments about the game and still be allowed on the forum! I know EXACTLY why people are frustrated with gameplay but I've used sliders and some gameplay tips to make it more fun. EA has skewed the gameplay in favor of the cpu with most of there games. There is tips and tricks around certain game anomilies. Just stick with it. HOW COME:

* CPU players stick to your players like freak'n super glue on defense but my guys bounce of theres when I'm on "D"?

* I can be almost in the process of letting go of a layup and someone from almost the top of the key can end up blocking it!?

* My guys can't catch a pass in stride?

* Shaq can get a dunk blocked by someone 6'3" and nearly 100 lbs lighter

* The cpu just about hits more shots with a player in there face than I do without someone in mine?

There real problems but you can adjust play and sliders to help. Just stick with it