Jackal vs. Poor Little David

[alexboom]

hey, if jackal wouldn't have opened his broad mouth, everything would have went fine

But Andrew admitted that he acted somewhat irrationnally with David, this is a smart move

[Tony]

I didnt even get a friggin reply

you, and countless others. nothing personal. let's just say the lack of time for irrelevant crap like responding with "no" to requests took it's toll. man, do i suck.


you can just feel the . please, go on...

[j.23]

david seek counselling immediately

[Filip]

I heard that people at NLSC were calling the site "nbadead.org" etc.. etc..

That would have been Frank Castle, one time, trying to be funny. No one else as far as I know...

The thread has not been locked because in general the NLSC mods have tried to be more lenient, and have been so over the last few months.

Slamharder said it all the time. More then once.

Ehh? Get your numbers right man I have only said it once, and that was because I needed to be more specific to David why I laughed when he said this about NLSC

the site is in terrible shape.. Most links are broken or dead.. It really is poorly maintained in my opinion

I just thought that he wasen't the right guy who should complain about dead links etc.
Thread

I really have nothing against .org. I actually think it's a very good site.
Anyway I wish the best luck of both sites.

Slam Harder's an idiot, no one listens to him anyway.

What's your problem?

[David]

I knew there was a thread where I had responded to someones nbadead.org comments.. and I see it was you Filip..

I just thought that he wasen't the right guy who should complain about dead links etc.

Why? So it would have been fine if someone else complained about them? Why am I any different? Why wasn't I the "right guy" .. I often play around with the older versions of NBA Live and I knew the NLSC used to have all those old patches... I found that all those links were not working and/or had not been updated. When I saw that Andrew had started up a thread about improving the site I expressed my opinion that they should fix all the broken links... I also made other suggestions that were my opinion of how I would see the site improving... again everything I said was diesected and I had to explain certain things I had said.. why? Again.. it seems because of who I am and were I come from.. maybe not? But it seems that way.
I didn't see how comments by me about how the links were dead and should be maintained better equates to an attack saying nbadead.org?
nbalive.org's problem with bandwidth was beyond our control at the time and we were working hard to resolve it. The dead links on NLSC were something that could be easily fixed. Now you have made me get into nbalive.org/NLSC comparisons again.. that thread was about NLSC and how to improve it.. you used it as a cheap stab at nbalive.org's bandwidth problems..

Anyway I aready went through my story and explained my stance.. but I just want to say that comments form people like Filip, Jackal and Najira are really stupid and now good posters on the NLSC are saying they don't want to post here anymore and I am seeing negative NLSC posts on nbalive.org..

Congratulations Jackal you have succeeded in dividing the sites even more in some peoples eyes..

[Matthew]

That was me.

Sorry, but you are 100% wrong. Jackal didn't do anything cheap by this. He didn't do anything against the rules so how was this a "cheap shot" to david? I think this needs to be elaborated. If you actually did read the entire thread you would realise that there is very much two sides to the story... and even if you take davids side, to call what Jackall did "cheap" is jus incredibly ignorant, unless if you can justify it.

[David]

Sorry, but you are 100% wrong.

I don't think so..

Jackal didn't do anything cheap by this

Starting up an entire thread just to attack me is not cheap? He could of said his peace in the original thread but instead he wanted to be the grand thread starter and give it his own funny little title..

He didn't do anything against the rules

but the rules state:

Do not flame other members. This includes (but is not limited to):
Insulting criticisms or remarks
Profanity directed towards another forum member
Racial/ethnic slurs
Using your signature/avatar to insult others

Also, do not start topics simply to flame or "call out" another member of the forum. Do not use the Private Messaging system to flame or bypass any of the forum rules.

So don't bring rules into it.. just about everyone who has posted in this thread has broken "the rules"...

Seems to me Andreas was just trying to moderate which is his job isn't it? So why attack him and say he is 100% wrong?

[Matthew]

OK, I stand corrected with the rules part of it. However, I don't really view what Jackall did as a "cheap shot". A cheap shot would be to talk behind someones back, or to do somthing when they aren't looking. Thats all I was getting at.

[David]

oh.. ok.. if that is how you view a "cheap shot" then yeah.. I guess at least Jackal was upfront about his grievences with my posts on NLSC rather than just talking behind my back.. but I still think what he did was low and considering I had talked to him all the time on MSN (up until this happened) and never once did he have a go at me about these posts.. then he feels he needs to create this thread? I dunno..

[Andreas Dahl]

With a cheep shot, I was referring to the fact that he took a single post made by David that stated that he thought NLSC should thrive towards being more original (or something like that), and turning in into an entire thread that, in my opinion, only serves the purpose of provoking...

[Wall St. Peon]

Yes, that was an "I'm right, you're all wrong" post...most definately. Some things never change, eh Matthew?

Actually, that was a "this whole thing is stupid to be arguing about so shut up before more damage is done than already is" post...apparently I was mistaken about the intelligence of some of the people in this "argument;" I thought people could infer things without them being spelled out.

[Donatello]

staying with the feeling of this post, i'll shout out a happy thanksgiving

[Matthew]

See you in a month or two....

Pity that didnt hold up

Yes, that was an "I'm right, you're all wrong" post...most definately. Some things never change, eh Matthew?

Yes it was.. read this quoted section of your previous post:
"Unless .org copyrighted something (and I'm talking spending money to copyright), then anything they do is public domain. The same goes for the NLSC. If anything, .org is copycatting the NLSC...same sort of site, they ahve a forum, etc. etc. etc. They started hosting patches...only difference...then they got a big team...which the nlsc had first, technically. It really DOES NOT MATTER. Everyone steals from everyone. .org jacked stuff from sites that I've never seen, and I'm sure the nlsc has as well. Very little is original on the internet....so basically....shut up, all of you. "

There you are stating your opinions on this situation, then telling everyone to shut up, which is like saying "im right, you're wrong, shut up". If you had gone about what the repercussions would be then told everyone to shut up, it would be somewhat different... but even then not everyone here in this thread are doing bad. Some people are trying to bring the community closer.. although that might never happen...

[Wall St. Peon]

How is saying that unless money was spent on a copyright, it's public domain, an opinion? That's actually a law... Arguments about "stealing" ideas are dumb for that reason....they are property of no one and public domain. With that being said, people need to shut up about that because it doesn't matter because everyone's stealing everything from somewhere...and original ideas will be stolen by someone else. Who cares if there's similarities between the sites, who cares if there's differences...it really doesn't matter. We're here for the same thing...so I'll say it again....shut up about this stuff. It's petty bickering about shit that doesn't matter.

Today's Thanksgiving...I don't work, I don't have class, and family time's over...so I actually have time to fuck around with this forum. Glad to see that you still have something against me even though we haven't interacted in a long time....some things never change, eh Matthew? I'll probably diasappear again once classes resume.

[Matthew]

How is saying that unless money was spent on a copyright, it's public domain, an opinion? That's actually a law...Rolling Eyes Arguments about "stealing" ideas are dumb for that reason....they are property of no one and public domain. With that being said, people need to shut up about that because it doesn't matter because everyone's stealing everything from somewhere...and original ideas will be stolen by someone else. Who cares if there's similarities between the sites, who cares if there's differences...it really doesn't matter. We're here for the same thing...so I'll say it again....shut up about this stuff. It's petty bickering about shit that doesn't matter.

You told everybody to shut up. Not everybody here was going on about "stolen" idea's. You also were giving an opinion about how everything is stolen (or jacked) from other sites. Glad to see someone who probably thinks of himself as the godfather of the community so positive towards it.

Today's Thanksgiving...I don't work, I don't have class, and family time's over...so I actually have time to fuck around with this forum.

Do you think I care about your day off? Shut up.

Glad to see that you still have something against me even though we haven't interacted in a long time....some things never change, eh Matthew?

"It's petty bickering about shit that doesn't matter."

I'll probably diasappear again once classes resume.

Sooner the better...

[Wall St. Peon]

Fuck off, Matthew. This isn't worth my time...grow up, man, just grow up.

[Matthew]

It's ok shane, don't feel bad

[J@3]

Yes! OLD SCHOOL! OLD SCHOOL!

Er.. I mean, calm it down ladies.

[Repole]

I must say, this thread shows just about everything that is wrong in the community, and has me realizing why i find myself visiting the forums so little recently.

Jackal - I have lost all respect I had for you. The only people i have less respect for in the live community is Homer and Frank Castle, hell of a list eh? As for calling David "Obsessed" you should probably talk to him a bit more before you say that. He's not obsessed at all. If your going to call David obsessed, do the same for Andrew.

Shane - Ideas are stolen all the time, but when the people who's ideas were stolen know about it, they confront the theifs. Now i dont believe that the NLSC stole this history of live idea from .org, but i'm just saying if someone stole your tv, and you go over your neighbors house and there's a tv exactly like yours, you wouldnt be suspicious and say something to them? (after reading this i wasnt sure if it really made sense, but i'll leave it in and see if anyone flames me for my shitty writing)

Andrew and David - I dont know whats gone on in the past, all i can base it on is what David has told me. I'd love to see the NLSC and .org work together, as it'd be fore the better of the community, and it's a shame both of you can't seem to work together and compromise. I don't blame Andrew or David, as I don't know the full story. David is said to have attempted to work together with you Andrew, but from what i've seen you've never taken the initiative to do something with David/.org...

This is my last NLSC post. I'm simply just tired of visiting both the NLSC and .org, i see no need. I'm tired of these flame wars, which for some reason seem to get started here (jackal related probably..)

[Stevan]

See ya Repole.

This thread has atleast provided a good laugh... seriously, first time in ages for me We have years worth of bitterness or whatever behind us, and it seems in front of us too. It'll continue to blow up once in a while, that's just the Live community!

I really don't think the two websites can work together, nor is it possible really. No big deal, everybody can choose which website they want to be a part of, and it's all good. It's only natural that we have separate groups and everybody does their own thing. It seems to work fine until little blow-ups like this. If we worked together we'd just be pretending and shit would blow up anyway. So let's all continue on our respective sides of the road, jump the occassional bump in the road and keep moving! We're going to do that anyway, so let's just agree to disagree

[Andrew]

Since we seem to have moved past the initial issue and have reached some sort of understanding, I think it's best that I now lock the thread. However, if there's more to discuss I'll unlock it.