It's Official -- No WMDs

[[Q]]

I agree with Matt's comments about the crisis in Sudan.
I would like to support Homer's claims in his big "Bush aka Moron" rant, but a lot of what he said was true, but some were a little skecthy like bankrputing the treasury. I think he meant "losing the surplus that we had when Clinton was in power"
But yeah, you should try to explain yourself more than just "Actually... no"
and "Recession"
THink about how we got the recession in the first place... cutting taxes for the people who don't need them is stupid... they're not gonna spend the extra cash, they're gonna save it.

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I cut health care benefits for war veterans.

Nope.

ummm yes... you might wanna read up before you try to defend Bush:
http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=141&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
one of many sources I was able to find... this one was a little biased, but I'll try to find a more bipartisan source

and Kerry's wealth is mostly because his wife pretty much owns all the ketchup in the U.S.

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I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

No. They aren't prisoners of war. Thus, we don't have to allow anyone to see them.

Even though we have.

ok... I don't think you know what Homer is talking about here cuz I sure don't... possibly the guys at Guantanamo Bay... but if they're not prisoners of war, then what are they??? why are we capturing these people if we're not "at war"? why do we have troops in Iraq and Afghanistan if we're not at war? Makes no sense...

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I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and stability.

Good. Stability sucks ass.

My question is... how is this good??? How is it good that everybody else in the world hates us??? People just love exploding themselves just so they can take down people from our country with them...

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I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any other president in US history.

Now, that's a crock of shit! First of all it dishonors John Adams! Second of all, it hasn't happened.

Ahem... see Patriot Act.

Kerry has vowed to lose The War. We cannot afford that

ok now seriously... who in their right mind would run for the presidency and VOW to lose a war???

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Why do I want Kerry to win? Well, I live in Massachusetts, the exact same state he represents on Senate. I've grown up with him, and I would trust him as the Commander in Chief of my country.
And he's done nothing in twenty years. He should not be Commander in Chief. He would lead us to ruin.

well obviously being the governor of Texas didn't help Bush much either...

No, he didn't. He hid in a hole for eight months. He did however hide Iraq's entire air force in the desert.

I agree to the 8 months thing, but how are you able to hide airplanes and helicopters in the desert when we have sophisticated reconnaisance planes and missons??? I hope you understand what I'm saying on that.

[Matthew]

fact remains, the war was ILLEGAL

One worthless organisation says it was illegal and it becomes fact?

haha, funny. So do tell me did Bush go after Saddam ILLEGALLY, poor daddy couldn't get the job done so son wanted to make his daddy proud

Do you know how lame that sounds Matt? You know what's a joke, if australia, or america or whoever gets attacked by whoever, there's outrage, bitterness, calling for revenge, everything. But yet when something like this war happens, its causing hate? why? because people are spastics. it would be like someone in a fight, complaining about losing but refusing to fight back.

exactly, Kerry would have approached this differently. The invasion of Iraq was rushed, there was no preparation and what has that gotten us. Oooh, we captured Hussein, never mind the fact that thousands of people had to die because of the rushed job

No he wouldn't have. I watched an interview with John Kerry BEFORE the iraq war and he AGREE'D with the action that was about to be taken place. I'm sure I can find a link if it's needed. And for the people that died, yes thats bad, but you dont bring up the multitude of people who died under sadaam's regime do you? 500 000 people die under sadaam, and thats ignored, but if 10 000 die when they are being free'd, then thats a different story isnt it?

Also, there were at least a few chances on 9/11 to prevent the attackers from boarding those planes so yes, 9/11 could have been avoided

Everything is easier in hindsight.. just think, if the lakers relised that if they ran the ball against detroit, they might have won, so that could have been avoided! Yes im smarter than Phil Jackson now!

hahah, Bush will not win the war, everyday the hate for America increases and more extremists are born, and these extremists are excited about the opportunity for blowing themselves up and killing Americans. Terrorism will most likely prevail, no matter how hard you try

Nice attitude Matt, lets give up and let terrorists get whatever they want and if we dont give in they can blow more stuff up and kill more people. When did people become such pussies?
So tell me, im curious, what would you have done? Just stood by after 9/11 and bali and not done a thing?

questionable. Check out the pain and suffering in Liberia. 5 yr old kids are a part of the army running around with guns bigger than them. Also, there is strong belief that Liberia housed Osama Bin Laden post 9/11. Check out also Sudan, muslims are raping women, killing men, killing children and in some instances they through little babies into the air and shoot them mid-air. Genocide in Sudan and yet no one has taken interest

Damned if you do, damned if you don't...

[Matt]

No he wouldn't have. I watched an interview with John Kerry BEFORE the iraq war and he AGREE'D with the action that was about to be taken place. I'm sure I can find a link if it's needed. And for the people that died, yes thats bad, but you dont bring up the multitude of people who died under sadaam's regime do you? 500 000 people die under sadaam, and thats ignored, but if 10 000 die when they are being free'd, then thats a different story isnt it?

Saddam killed an expected 300,000 people [source Time magazine October 04]

also, I'm sure Kerry agreed about the action taken place but did he agree HOW it's taking place?

ahhh, i'm tired....sleep time

[Matthew]

Of my entire thread, you point out 2 things (one really irrlevient if you think about it, the 300 000 murders instead of 500 000)

[Matt]

i was too tired to read it, i had 2 wake up at 5am today to do a major presentation at Uni

what's the point anyway, we just go in circles

[Matt]

i was too tired to read it, i had 2 wake up at 5am today to do a major presentation at Uni

what's the point anyway, we just go in circles

[Matthew]

lol was it due today?