Sat Sep 04, 2004 3:01 am
Sat Sep 04, 2004 10:56 am
shrwnt wrote:JimRaynor55 wrote:Chris Webber:
Lower his passing. He's rated at 69, while averaging 4.6 apg in real life. Antoine Walker, who averaged 4.5 apg, is only rated at 56. And with his injuries, does he still deserve a dunk rating of 90 and quickness and speed ratings of about 70?
i'm not a webber fan but i think his pass rating is fine. he's still one of the best passing big man in the league. you cant take everything away from an injured player, otherwise andrew's ratings would be bouncing up and down all the time with all player injuries. if this is the case, iverson probably will be slower now, lower fg, etc. he played injured last season but i think he will be better this season and so will webber.
Sat Sep 04, 2004 12:59 pm
Sat Sep 04, 2004 1:40 pm
Wed Sep 08, 2004 6:55 am
Wed Sep 08, 2004 12:31 pm
JimRaynor55 wrote:Kobe and T-Mac: These two are as close as any two players get, but Kobe's defense sets them apart (multiple All-Defensive Team selections to none). Right now, Kobe has a slight edge in Steals, but his Defensive Awareness is lower than McGrady's. Both of their Defensive Awareness ratings should be adjusted so that Kobe's is higher even if only by a bit.
Thu Sep 09, 2004 10:01 am
shrwnt wrote:BULLS andres nocioni lower overall. he overrated.
Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:14 pm
Thu Sep 09, 2004 12:23 pm
FanOfAll wrote:shrwnt wrote:BULLS andres nocioni lower overall. he overrated.
Sorry I think this Nocioni thing is getting absolutely absurd. How low do you want him? 59? Ok, then I make a request to lower all the rookies (and just about most players). Deng, Iggy should be at 58. Gordon, Nelson, Okafor, LJax around 60, 61. Harris and Childress around 59. Howard around 57-58. No other rookie should be higher than Nocioni. I've seen Nocioni play far more than my fair share and I'll tell you he is better overall right now than very, and I emphasize very raw rookies like Deng and Iggy. People forget how quickly the lack of experience and polish in the games of Deng and Iggy because they're good all-around (at times, even me on occasion, people get this stereotype that if a player has solid all-around skills, a bit Pippen-esque, he's a polished player).
And please, don't come back saying that Deng might start or he might take over the starting job half way through the season. It doesn't mean he's better. I would love Nocioni and his endless energy off the bench. It would really boost Deng's confidence to start him too.
Thu Sep 09, 2004 2:05 pm
shrwnt wrote:FanOfAll wrote:shrwnt wrote:BULLS andres nocioni lower overall. he overrated.
Sorry I think this Nocioni thing is getting absolutely absurd. How low do you want him? 59? Ok, then I make a request to lower all the rookies (and just about most players). Deng, Iggy should be at 58. Gordon, Nelson, Okafor, LJax around 60, 61. Harris and Childress around 59. Howard around 57-58. No other rookie should be higher than Nocioni. I've seen Nocioni play far more than my fair share and I'll tell you he is better overall right now than very, and I emphasize very raw rookies like Deng and Iggy. People forget how quickly the lack of experience and polish in the games of Deng and Iggy because they're good all-around (at times, even me on occasion, people get this stereotype that if a player has solid all-around skills, a bit Pippen-esque, he's a polished player).
And please, don't come back saying that Deng might start or he might take over the starting job half way through the season. It doesn't mean he's better. I would love Nocioni and his endless energy off the bench. It would really boost Deng's confidence to start him too.
ok. but my point is he is not nba tested. if fiba is same as nba. the dream team would have definitely won the gold. they have diff rules. they play in a diffent way.
u might have seen him play pretty well. but he may or may not adjust to the nba. if all international players adjust to nba, why not sign all good fiba players to contracts by just seing them play in the olympics.
i have seen nocioni play, and i was impressed considering he's undersized but can still play well.
in short, nocioni has potential so you can rate him high. but he also has no nba experience yet so you can't rate him too high. you base your ratings mostly on his potential to be a good nba player. australia's shane heal is a very good shooter. something the spurs really needed last season. but heal struggled, not because hes a bad player. he may not have played enough minutes, he may not have given enough time to adjust, a good defender might have guarded him, or just circumstances all pointing against him. yet the spurs didnt see all that. they signed him knowing only that he's a good shooter.
Thu Sep 09, 2004 2:39 pm
Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:47 pm
FG: Up to 67
FT: Up to 68
Dunking: Up to 70
Inside Scoring: 62 (can't remember if I changed this or not)
OReb: 55 (see above comment)
Jumping: Up to 67
OAware: (same comment)
Passing Down to 49
DReb: (lol same comment)
Blocking: Up to 58
DAware: Up to 62
Primacy: Down to 44
SF/PF
Overall: 65
Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:52 pm
Fri Sep 10, 2004 8:02 am
FanOfAll wrote:You make a good point (except Chapu doesn't exactly have much potential), but what about college players? HS? Sure, the rules and tradition of the game isn't as different btwn that and the NBA as the NBA and FIBA is different, but in college and HS, these 1st rounders are quicker, bigger, faster, stronger, smarter than their opponents. Most specifically:
"but he also has no nba experience yet so you can't rate him too high."
None of those draft picks have NBA experience either. How come their ratings are also largely based on potential, but they can be rated "high" (which for this case, is a around a 65)?
DTNTER2003 wrote:Three Rated 70-74:
Chris Crawford-70
Marko Jaric-70
Manu Ginobili-74
Rasual Butler-71
Steve Blake-72
Antawn Jamison-71
Sheed-70
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Fri Sep 10, 2004 11:19 am
Sun Sep 12, 2004 3:51 am
shrwnt wrote:i agree but i think college usa basketball is closer to the nba than fiba. ncaa and nba both emphasize physical game. they want players who have skills but has a strong body to bang with other players. on the other hand. european basketball trains players to be shooters. my point is players from ncaa or high school have a higher probability to excel in the nba simply because they are trained to suit the nba style. these players have a common goal - to play in the nba. on the other hand, international players have lower probability to excel in the nba because they are trained to suit the fiba. they are trained to play in the olympics, etc. o, i still havent mentioned the rules. can you imagine growing up playing european basketball then to just enter the nba with different set of rules.
again, im not saying international players dont have the chance to be excel in the nba. im just saying it's harder.
Three Rated 70-74:
Chris Crawford-70
Marko Jaric-70
Manu Ginobili-74
Rasual Butler-71
Steve Blake-72
Antawn Jamison-71
Sheed-70
Three Icon List:
Shane Battier- 77
Mike Miller-81
Kerry Kittles-78
Kyle Korver-83
HAWKS al harrington higher ins scoring to mid 60's. at 62, he ranks same with mark madsen (not a good low post scorer).
Wed Sep 15, 2004 10:52 pm
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