Even without the ALL-STAR Weekend stuff, 2K5 can beat live 2005 if the presentation & outcome will be as COOL as NFL 2K5...
But honestly, IT IS GOING TO BE A VERY CLOSE SHOWDOWN and we will see it as 2K5 might release their updated infos this week..
I love nbalive05 edition but check this IF it's a THREATH...
by BIGBEN2K5 on Tue Aug 31, 2004 12:47 am
YES!! ESPN 2K5 is a big threat to NbaLive05 if VC & Take-2 will just improve the gameplay, sound & franchise mode of 2K5...
Even without the ALL-STAR Weekend stuff, 2K5 can beat live 2005 if the presentation & outcome will be as COOL as NFL 2K5...
But honestly, IT IS GOING TO BE A VERY CLOSE SHOWDOWN and we will see it as 2K5 might release their updated infos this week..
Even without the ALL-STAR Weekend stuff, 2K5 can beat live 2005 if the presentation & outcome will be as COOL as NFL 2K5...
But honestly, IT IS GOING TO BE A VERY CLOSE SHOWDOWN and we will see it as 2K5 might release their updated infos this week..
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by GloveGuy on Tue Aug 31, 2004 11:31 am
colin826 wrote: Maybe those features attract gamers because *gasp* they are very smart and useful. Accusing EA of eye candy as opposed to ESPN is like Pig Miller saying Karl Malone should work out more. Which game added a digital sportscenter with Chris Berman and sideline interviews? Yes ESPN did that. That's 100% eye candy, those things you mentioned may be 10%.
I was more implying to the commercials that EA releases every year. Rounding up several players and having them advertise their game for them.
For example, there was a year where EA made a commercial for Live with about five or so players -- Chris Webber, Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis...and all they said was Freestyle. Freestyle, Freestyle, Freestyle. That's all they said followed by clips of dunks and crossovers. At the time, the word "freestye" was a popular term, often affiliated with hip-hop and rap battles. I'm not ranking on the feature of using the right-thumbstick to crossover, but it's been marketed unbelievably well with the term "Freestyle" which in my opinion, doesn't even make sense. The term "IsoMotion" makes more sense yet isn't nearly as marketable.
Along with the number of athletes that Live and Madden have been able to round up for their commercials, the eye candy featured in the advertising is undoubtedly greater than Sega/ESPN/VC's.
Also, the name "Madden" and "Live" sell games better than NBA/NFL 2K. Only this year has Sega really adapted the ESPN feel to their games.
Sega got a lot of heat for NBA 2K4(ESPN NBA Basketball was what it was called) but if they are able to combine the simulation gameplay of NBA 2K3 and the fastbreak features of 2K4, fix the dunk animations(which they've been doing), and add some more features to their Franchise Mode, than I'll definitely buy it. I don't need an All-Star Weekend. If I want a dunk contest, I can go play ESPN College Basketball.
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by Colin on Tue Aug 31, 2004 11:45 am
Oh, I've never seen an EA commercial on TV, just over then web. And I watch a lot of TV.Gloveguy wrote:I was more implying to the commercials that EA releases every year.
BTW, the name freestyle makes sense as you get to choose (free) what kind of moves you use (your style,) so freestyle. No doubt it's a name that appeals to many consumers, but it's not like they called it super dribble skills fa sheezy.
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by Andre on Tue Aug 31, 2004 5:08 pm
DRESPN* wrote:Andre wrote:To those who play ESPN rather than LIVE:
I was one of you. In 2001 and 2002, I simply didn't like LIVE at all, it was boring to death. the NBA 2K series was much more entertaining and the graphic was great (on dreamcast). To me, there WAS no competition: NBA 2K > NBA Live, even if I played LIVE 97,98,99 and 2000. IN other words, I was a loyal LIVE fan who switched to NBA 2K because it was better.
Now, listen up: Things have changed since then. LIVE has improved so much with the 2004 version. It combines the same strong NBA feeling with a funny and realistic gameplay (yes, there are some bugs, but it's still great). So I switched back to LIVE, caz recently it's better game. We don't know about the 2005 versions..none of them are out yet, so the all this discussion is pointless.
My point is, don't stuck to a series just because it's usually better, things changes...as I switched to NBA 2K years ago...I also switched back to LIVE last year....just be open-minded.
Wow, wussup Andre! How uncanny that we have not only the same name (Andre, but I go by Dre) but the same exact story when it comes to Live......
.....those two years I became a "2K guy" but alas, I'm back where I belong.........
I bet we are not alone, Dre. The 2k series was awesome at that time (and for that time).
2k1 and 2k2's animation, IMO, is still better than 2K3 and 2K4....and xbox and PS2 are more powerful than the Dreamcast (the dreamcast though was a great machine...too bad it ended that way
).
Somehow I always get the chance to try both games, so I always know what my options are. Anyways, I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who recognize LIVE's merits in the last 2 years.
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by BIGBEN2K5 on Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:20 am
[url]http://microsoft.gamerfeed.com/gf/previews/262/[/url]
Preview
What defines a basketball experience? Well, that really depends on the player at hand. If you're one of those hardcore fans who really appreciates the depth of stat tracking, keeping an eye on your team and making sure their chemistry works, then you'd probably enjoy an EA Sports effort. If you're quick with the arcade skills, tip your hat to the likes of NBA Jam, or maybe even Midway's one-on-one opus NBA Ballers. But no matter what, there is one series that balances the simulation and arcade efforts hand in hand, and that's Sega's NBA 2K series.
Launched back on the Sega Dreamcast, the series has become the hottest thing in town for basketball action. It shifted over to multi-platform in 2001, and added ESPN to the festivities last year. ESPN NBA Basketball has become a must-have game for basketball fans. Now Visual Concepts, the development team behind the powerhouse game, is back again, and ESPN NBA 2K5 looks to be the most powerful basketball effort yet.
The thing that makes this series work is its dominant presentation, and with an early hands-on test with the game, I found that the presentation has been left completely intact. The dramatic replays (complete with slo-mo), the ESPN attitude, the beautiful graphic layout, the atmospheric sound and punctuality of the announcing team, and, yes, the gameplay, are all back for a second round, bringing the experience that we know and love back into play. Of course, some new features have been added as well, and you're bound to love the changes.
This will be the second Sega Sports title to be offered right out of the gate at $19.99. This price alone is significant, as it helped push big numbers for ESPN NFL 2K5 (800,000 copies sold thus far) and will probably do the same for the forthcoming ESPN NHL 2K5, also launching for $20. A game of this stature is certainly worth full price, but the bargain price makes it a steal (an even better steal than Iverson sneaking the ball away from Kobe on a fast break!)
IsoMotion and 24/7 are back, and have additions that are sure to please. IsoMotion2 offers more refined spin moves, crossovers, and fakes to help you get to the basket, and also helps out when it comes to forcing turnovers or keeping confident players from trying to score. It's almost the same as in previous games, but you can tell it's a bit more focused. As for 24/7, it has more items to unlock, a few new mini-games to play, multiplayer efforts, and a respect engine that allows you to build up your skills further and even build yourself a fan base. Online play is also making a return, with stat-tracking, buddy lists, updates, and so much more to make your challenges more exciting.
[b]The ESPN experience promises to be much more focused. You'll still have access to all sorts of ESPN stats and presentation, and being added to the mix this time around are Hall of Fame legend Bill Walton, offering his two cents to each new challenge, and sideline reporter Michelle Tafoya, who offers updates on injuries, switch-outs, and possible problems during a game. Visual Concepts is also making sure that the visuals and audio are perfectly in check, and have introduced some slick new lighting effects, animations, and better player expressions to make the experience more genuine.
The real gem here is the gameplay, and the developers have added some nice touches. First off is Reactive Court Sense, which allows individual players to gain some level of intelligence during a game and actually determine what sort of moves they make. This means better computer-controlled player actions, so while you maintain your player, they'll actually react offensively and defensively to help key plays reach full effect. Each team plays differently as well- some may rely on close-up plays and defense, while others will look for three-point opportunities and shot-blocking options. The depth here is staggering- you won't see the Nuggets pull off something the Clippers might do, unless the situation calls for something similar to that nature.
Of course, I mentioned IsoMotion2 and how it will help affect key plays, but there's also something called The Next Movement, which will actually be based on physical attributes above anything else. This uses a player's physical stature and abilities, so that particular plays can change with individual players. For instance, Carmelo Anthony might be able to fast break better than Nene. And, of course, Shaq makes a better blocker for the Heat than any number of players. Of course, this is a given, but here it's been utilized to actually work better in the gameplay, making it more realistic.
The playtest time I had with this game was a lot of fun, like the previous Sega NBA efforts, and this year looks to be another win for them. ESPN NBA 2K5 looks like it will quite the steal at $20, offering the deepest gameplay elements around along with some extraordinary modes, online play, and the best presentation this side of television.
» Robert Workman [/b]
Preview
What defines a basketball experience? Well, that really depends on the player at hand. If you're one of those hardcore fans who really appreciates the depth of stat tracking, keeping an eye on your team and making sure their chemistry works, then you'd probably enjoy an EA Sports effort. If you're quick with the arcade skills, tip your hat to the likes of NBA Jam, or maybe even Midway's one-on-one opus NBA Ballers. But no matter what, there is one series that balances the simulation and arcade efforts hand in hand, and that's Sega's NBA 2K series.
Launched back on the Sega Dreamcast, the series has become the hottest thing in town for basketball action. It shifted over to multi-platform in 2001, and added ESPN to the festivities last year. ESPN NBA Basketball has become a must-have game for basketball fans. Now Visual Concepts, the development team behind the powerhouse game, is back again, and ESPN NBA 2K5 looks to be the most powerful basketball effort yet.
The thing that makes this series work is its dominant presentation, and with an early hands-on test with the game, I found that the presentation has been left completely intact. The dramatic replays (complete with slo-mo), the ESPN attitude, the beautiful graphic layout, the atmospheric sound and punctuality of the announcing team, and, yes, the gameplay, are all back for a second round, bringing the experience that we know and love back into play. Of course, some new features have been added as well, and you're bound to love the changes.
This will be the second Sega Sports title to be offered right out of the gate at $19.99. This price alone is significant, as it helped push big numbers for ESPN NFL 2K5 (800,000 copies sold thus far) and will probably do the same for the forthcoming ESPN NHL 2K5, also launching for $20. A game of this stature is certainly worth full price, but the bargain price makes it a steal (an even better steal than Iverson sneaking the ball away from Kobe on a fast break!)
IsoMotion and 24/7 are back, and have additions that are sure to please. IsoMotion2 offers more refined spin moves, crossovers, and fakes to help you get to the basket, and also helps out when it comes to forcing turnovers or keeping confident players from trying to score. It's almost the same as in previous games, but you can tell it's a bit more focused. As for 24/7, it has more items to unlock, a few new mini-games to play, multiplayer efforts, and a respect engine that allows you to build up your skills further and even build yourself a fan base. Online play is also making a return, with stat-tracking, buddy lists, updates, and so much more to make your challenges more exciting.
[b]The ESPN experience promises to be much more focused. You'll still have access to all sorts of ESPN stats and presentation, and being added to the mix this time around are Hall of Fame legend Bill Walton, offering his two cents to each new challenge, and sideline reporter Michelle Tafoya, who offers updates on injuries, switch-outs, and possible problems during a game. Visual Concepts is also making sure that the visuals and audio are perfectly in check, and have introduced some slick new lighting effects, animations, and better player expressions to make the experience more genuine.
The real gem here is the gameplay, and the developers have added some nice touches. First off is Reactive Court Sense, which allows individual players to gain some level of intelligence during a game and actually determine what sort of moves they make. This means better computer-controlled player actions, so while you maintain your player, they'll actually react offensively and defensively to help key plays reach full effect. Each team plays differently as well- some may rely on close-up plays and defense, while others will look for three-point opportunities and shot-blocking options. The depth here is staggering- you won't see the Nuggets pull off something the Clippers might do, unless the situation calls for something similar to that nature.
Of course, I mentioned IsoMotion2 and how it will help affect key plays, but there's also something called The Next Movement, which will actually be based on physical attributes above anything else. This uses a player's physical stature and abilities, so that particular plays can change with individual players. For instance, Carmelo Anthony might be able to fast break better than Nene. And, of course, Shaq makes a better blocker for the Heat than any number of players. Of course, this is a given, but here it's been utilized to actually work better in the gameplay, making it more realistic.
The playtest time I had with this game was a lot of fun, like the previous Sega NBA efforts, and this year looks to be another win for them. ESPN NBA 2K5 looks like it will quite the steal at $20, offering the deepest gameplay elements around along with some extraordinary modes, online play, and the best presentation this side of television.
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by PinoyIDOL on Wed Sep 01, 2004 12:48 am
The DUNKS in 2K5 are now FIXED..
Compared to 2K4, Big ben's jump or leap is much realistic unlike last year where players will go above the rim and very unrealistic..
Compared to 2K4, Big ben's jump or leap is much realistic unlike last year where players will go above the rim and very unrealistic..
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by Metsis on Wed Sep 01, 2004 7:58 pm
BIGBEN2K5 wrote:
Now these look like something you might see on the telly screen when you play the game...
And I already found a stupid graphical flaw in the upper picture... Take a look the Houstons #22 right leg... Where's his thigh? He prolly doesn't have a thigh muscle... I would think that it would hinder his game a bit, but obviously makers of ESPN 2k5 don't think so
And these picks don't look too good in my mind, but they are alright... Compare these to the earlier "screen shots" and you'll notice the difference.
*Case closed*
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by John-John Joe on Wed Sep 01, 2004 11:45 pm
Guys, we're totally missing the "real" point here. When the heck would we notice all these minor things during actual gameplay? To me, judge graphics in the actual camera used while playing the game. Big screenshots don't do a damn thing for a brother.....
I mean yeah I love graphics, but how do they move? It's all fine and dandy to see "still" photographs but it's another to see everything in motion. I mean isn't a video game about movement ultimately? How are the animations? I absolutely HATE the way Visual Concepts animates their jumpshots for instance, it just looks unnatural and stiff. Same goes for their dribble moves and post game. If all that isn't tight, the graphics don't mean shiznit. Holla!
I mean yeah I love graphics, but how do they move? It's all fine and dandy to see "still" photographs but it's another to see everything in motion. I mean isn't a video game about movement ultimately? How are the animations? I absolutely HATE the way Visual Concepts animates their jumpshots for instance, it just looks unnatural and stiff. Same goes for their dribble moves and post game. If all that isn't tight, the graphics don't mean shiznit. Holla!
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by Bird123 on Thu Sep 02, 2004 3:15 am
Andre wrote:DRESPN* wrote:Andre wrote:To those who play ESPN rather than LIVE:
I was one of you. In 2001 and 2002, I simply didn't like LIVE at all, it was boring to death. the NBA 2K series was much more entertaining and the graphic was great (on dreamcast). To me, there WAS no competition: NBA 2K > NBA Live, even if I played LIVE 97,98,99 and 2000. IN other words, I was a loyal LIVE fan who switched to NBA 2K because it was better.
Now, listen up: Things have changed since then. LIVE has improved so much with the 2004 version. It combines the same strong NBA feeling with a funny and realistic gameplay (yes, there are some bugs, but it's still great). So I switched back to LIVE, caz recently it's better game. We don't know about the 2005 versions..none of them are out yet, so the all this discussion is pointless.
My point is, don't stuck to a series just because it's usually better, things changes...as I switched to NBA 2K years ago...I also switched back to LIVE last year....just be open-minded.
Wow, wussup Andre! How uncanny that we have not only the same name (Andre, but I go by Dre) but the same exact story when it comes to Live......
.....those two years I became a "2K guy" but alas, I'm back where I belong.........
I bet we are not alone, Dre. The 2k series was awesome at that time (and for that time).
2k1 and 2k2's animation, IMO, is still better than 2K3 and 2K4....and xbox and PS2 are more powerful than the Dreamcast (the dreamcast though was a great machine...too bad it ended that way
Somehow I always get the chance to try both games, so I always know what my options are. Anyways, I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who recognize LIVE's merits in the last 2 years.
I left Live 2001 in favor of the 2K series. Frankly, Live sucked from 2001-2003 in my opinion, but they brought thier game up in 2004, while NBA2K has been on the decline since 2K2. In 2003-now Live 04 is just simply better than 2K4 for the things I like in a B-Ball game. NBA 2K3 is better then 2K4. It looks like they sacrificed gameplay for better graphics which should be a big no-no.
Sega had EA on the ropes, as far as basketball goes and LET them off. It's like they just stopped swinging, which I don't understand. They gave EA breathing room, and if they aren't careful, they're gonna get knocked out in the next round.
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by fgrep15 on Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:32 am
Gloveguy wrote:colin826 wrote: Maybe those features attract gamers because *gasp* they are very smart and useful. Accusing EA of eye candy as opposed to ESPN is like Pig Miller saying Karl Malone should work out more. Which game added a digital sportscenter with Chris Berman and sideline interviews? Yes ESPN did that. That's 100% eye candy, those things you mentioned may be 10%.
I was more implying to the commercials that EA releases every year. Rounding up several players and having them advertise their game for them.
For example, there was a year where EA made a commercial for Live with about five or so players -- Chris Webber, Stephon Marbury, Steve Francis...and all they said was Freestyle. Freestyle, Freestyle, Freestyle. That's all they said followed by clips of dunks and crossovers. At the time, the word "freestye" was a popular term, often affiliated with hip-hop and rap battles. I'm not ranking on the feature of using the right-thumbstick to crossover, but it's been marketed unbelievably well with the term "Freestyle" which in my opinion, doesn't even make sense. The term "IsoMotion" makes more sense yet isn't nearly as marketable.
Along with the number of athletes that Live and Madden have been able to round up for their commercials, the eye candy featured in the advertising is undoubtedly greater than Sega/ESPN/VC's.
Also, the name "Madden" and "Live" sell games better than NBA/NFL 2K. Only this year has Sega really adapted the ESPN feel to their games.
Sega got a lot of heat for NBA 2K4(ESPN NBA Basketball was what it was called) but if they are able to combine the simulation gameplay of NBA 2K3 and the fastbreak features of 2K4, fix the dunk animations(which they've been doing), and add some more features to their Franchise Mode, than I'll definitely buy it. I don't need an All-Star Weekend. If I want a dunk contest, I can go play ESPN College Basketball.
it's so bad, it frutrates me a lot lolCP3 | Brand | Arenas | Calderon
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by PinoyIDOL on Thu Sep 02, 2004 4:34 pm
Latest 2K5 screen: Dunks are now fixed and those who have seen the clip from ESPNmotion, net physics are also great now...
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by Metsis on Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:21 pm
Dre Naismith is basically on the right tracks... I do care more about the final product and what does the game play like in my machine... These promotional pictures are not just worth to get you hyped up for anything. You'll never get anything as good of a output at home.
The minor graphical bugs are nothing... I just pointed it out... 2k series has good graphics, but if they already sacrificed playability due to graphics last year, what's it going to be like this year. The consoles aren't getting any more powerful, like the PC does every year... So if they add better graphics, it could mean even worse gameplay and as someone pointed out it's the worst possible solution.
EA has always had the gameplay pretty good... And the animations have always been quite good. I would think that we can pretty much count on the EA gameplay at this point.
Live from 2001-2003... Those were the first games made by the new team. 2001 was kind of good (cause the team was changed midway), but 2003 was way too arcadish etc. 2004 was more like it and they will only improve in 2005... The team will get better and better every year at making the Live game...
The minor graphical bugs are nothing... I just pointed it out... 2k series has good graphics, but if they already sacrificed playability due to graphics last year, what's it going to be like this year. The consoles aren't getting any more powerful, like the PC does every year... So if they add better graphics, it could mean even worse gameplay and as someone pointed out it's the worst possible solution.
EA has always had the gameplay pretty good... And the animations have always been quite good. I would think that we can pretty much count on the EA gameplay at this point.
Live from 2001-2003... Those were the first games made by the new team. 2001 was kind of good (cause the team was changed midway), but 2003 was way too arcadish etc. 2004 was more like it and they will only improve in 2005... The team will get better and better every year at making the Live game...
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by John-John Joe on Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:02 am
SonnyDano wrote:i prefer espn nfl over madden. i also prefer live over espn nba. thats:
ESPN NFL
NBA LIVE
no bias whatsoever.
Wussup Sonny, same here! I made the switch over Madden this year........ I just don't understand these cats..... This feels like the Crusades or something, trying to convert us! What they fail to realize is I'll play whatever's hot and if I don't like 2K for whatever reason then that's my perogative, GEESH.....
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by slicknickshady on Fri Sep 03, 2004 7:59 am
Im buying both!
NBA Live - $34.99 SAMS CLUB
ESPN - $16.95 SAMS CLUB
Why not?
NBA Live - $34.99 SAMS CLUB
ESPN - $16.95 SAMS CLUB
Why not?
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