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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Sat Nov 07, 2015 1:26 am

Andrew wrote:In his defense, he doesn't have a lot to work with. The young players aren't where they need to be yet, the established players in their prime are mostly average at best (and/or new acquisitions), and the most accomplished players on the team are at the tail end of their careers. They're trying to transition into a new era, while at the same time hosting a farewell tour for Kobe. That's not to say he couldn't do better, but I think he's in a tough spot.


I don't think you've been watching the games. He's been substituting using minute allocation with no regard to game flow. Some games as soon as D. Russell and Randle get going he benches them and inserts the bench guys. And by bench I mean he plays Bass at the 5, Kelly, Swaggy, Lou & Huertas. Imagine that unit against Cauley-Stein and Cousins. They stink defensively and launch ill advised three's and/or long two's while letting the opposing team skate to the basket or in Kelly's case just foul them.

I think Hibbert (who seems to be the only capable player to play defense so far, even if he does fall over too often) played around 15-20 minutes in one of the games. I don't get the logic. He says Russell needs to learn the game and play the right way so doesn't play him much but lets Kobe hoist ill advised shot after shot hoping he'll start hitting something without any consequence. At least be consistent in your random ways.

The team sucks. Guys like Clarkson, Randle & Russell should be averaging 28-30 minutes a game so they can learn. What's the point of playing Bass and Kelly at the 5&4 when you've got a true athletic 5 in Black?

I don't know if he's tanking deliberately or he's just that bad. They do know it's top 3 protected this year, right?

Randle & Russell have been the only things seemingly good so far in this young season.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:00 am

Fair call, I haven't actually seen any Lakers games yet, just some clips. I stand by him not having a fantastic roster to work with, but if he's doing stuff like that...yeah, that sounds pretty clueless.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Nov 07, 2015 9:44 am

Clarkson has put up some good games (Y)
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Sat Nov 07, 2015 8:59 pm

Yeah, those three are good fun to watch. I'm glad they at least won over the Nets. MWP sighting too, better rotations but again baffling to bench Russell at the end there.

Also, wtf is up with Byron talking so much shit?

“I’m not going to be patient for long,” Scott said. “I expect guys to get what we’re doing on both ends of the floor in a relatively quick manner.”


"I think when you make a mistake over and over again, sometimes that wood has a good way of talking to your butt a little bit, too," Scott said Friday before the Lakers' 104-98 win over the Brooklyn Nets at Barclays Center. "Getting a couple splinters here and there, sometimes that has a great way of communicating how important it is to play on that [defensive] end of the floor."


"I'm saying that he has to start getting it, just like the other young guys have to start getting it, and if they don't, they won't play as much," Scott said.


I think day before yesterday I read something quite different..

“He’s learning,” Scott said. “I wouldn’t say ‘struggling.’ He’s learning, and that’s what people got to understand, that this is a 19-year-old kid.

“Even I sit back at times and say, ‘Wait a minute guys, he’s 19. We got to cut him some slack, this is all new to him.’ But fans and people they don’t understand that.”


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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Sat Nov 07, 2015 10:52 pm

A bit hypocritical there... Both point of views make sense

Did they teach defense at Ohio state?
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby NovU on Sun Nov 08, 2015 7:22 am

I think agenda here is becoming clear day by day. It's to tank.

The thing about Lakers roster is that you just can't coach it right. Lou, Nick, Clarkson are better players than Kobe and Russell. But you can't play those nobodies entirely because it wouldn't make much difference in win column anyway. You just can't make the playoffs. Hibbert, Randle, Bass, Kelly, Black big man rotation is not much better than mess at perimeter rotation.

You don't want to find consistency when you're tanking.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Sun Nov 08, 2015 7:28 am

air gordon wrote:Clarkson has put up some good games (Y)

I'm a big fan of Clarkson. Like Kobe, he's one ofthe few players in this league with a real drive to want to be the best
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Andrew on Fri Nov 20, 2015 12:57 pm

Kobe Bryant: 'If something doesn't change, this is it for me'

Kobe told Coach K on SiriusXM that "if something changes 'll come back and play next season. If something doesn't change this is it for me."


Chances are, things don't change for him, but the fact that he's even envisioning a scenario where he plays next season should have Lakers fans slightly worried. I'm all for leaving on your own terms, but it doesn't seem like he's paying attention to the signs, and the longer he's around, the harder it will be for the Lakers to truly start rebuilding. Then again, perhaps he knows that it's all downhill from here, and he's looking for a dignified way of saying "Yeah, I'm pretty much done".
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Re: Lakers Thread

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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby NovU on Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:53 pm

Andrew wrote:Kobe Bryant: 'If something doesn't change, this is it for me'

Kobe told Coach K on SiriusXM that "if something changes 'll come back and play next season. If something doesn't change this is it for me."


Chances are, things don't change for him, but the fact that he's even envisioning a scenario where he plays next season should have Lakers fans slightly worried. I'm all for leaving on your own terms, but it doesn't seem like he's paying attention to the signs, and the longer he's around, the harder it will be for the Lakers to truly start rebuilding. Then again, perhaps he knows that it's all downhill from here, and he's looking for a dignified way of saying "Yeah, I'm pretty much done".

I have a feeling he means marquee FA signing which then he would consider playing for another run. Sure it's true they can skip this "rebuilding" process via signing guys like KD. It's a long shot though.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Nov 21, 2015 9:47 am

I don't think they'll be in the running for Kevin Durant; if he's leaving Oklahoma City, it'd probably be to go somewhere like Washington. As long as he's there, I don't think they're landing a top name, or even a second tier star player.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby NovU on Sat Nov 21, 2015 11:25 am

Believe it Andrew. 30 teams in this league will throw at least a pitch to KD just like the Heat. The Lakers are no different, they got the leverage that other teams don't have, and they like to use it to their advantage, the market.

The Lakers have rich history of landing big time free agents whether via trade or free agency. Just in recent history, there were Gasol, Nash, CP3(blocked but still...), and Dwight. And all free agents flirt with them as Lamarcus and Love also did. Without aged and nagging Kobe in the picture and him not trying to teach them how to win no more, they probably become little more attractive market. After all, every player values business side of their career.

What the Lakers can't provide is instant chance at winning but they still pride themselves in getting their stars help they need. Kobe allegedly tried to convince Lamarcus saying Kupchap can do it again like he pulled off CP3 trade though revoked.

That said, I think the big free agents will really want to see the Lakers willingness to tell Kobe to take a back seat if he's to play another year or two. And despite the young talents they've collected, they'll likely take the shortcut to build a winning team and try landing a big name.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:25 pm

Sure, everyone will make a pitch. The Lakers will make a pitch, and they're a big market and all that, but for a star in their prime, they don't offer a good chance to win. KD would turn their fortunes around a bit, but they wouldn't be better than the Thunder are now. If Kobe's still around, being a liability and serving as the face of the franchise - even if he isn't the best player on the team anymore - I think that only makes their chances worse.

One of the main reasons that the Lakers have managed to bring in top players in the past is that they've been able to remain relevant, even in the years where they aren't serious title contenders. When Shaq went there 20 years ago, he was joining a team that was already above average. That's no longer the case; the Lakers haven't really been relevant in a few years now. I think bad moves and arrogance have come back to bite them. If Dr Buss were still around, I think he could sell free agents on coming to the Lakers, even with their current struggles. I'm not sure his sons can do the same thing.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby NovU on Sat Nov 21, 2015 2:21 pm

Yup. No matter which direction the Lakers takes, staying Kobe definitely could cloud the picture.

Don't completely rule out their chance of landing a big fish though. One thing that the Lakers got going is the cap space and their sexy market. And that alone is big, possibly big enough to hasten rebuilding process rapidly. Players that wants money and fame would always consider them.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Andrew on Sat Nov 21, 2015 2:39 pm

Oh, I'd never say never, but I think it's going to be tougher than in the past. When you've got someone like LaMarcus Aldridge - a fine player, but not in the same tier as a Kevin Durant - turning down the money and market and coming away unimpressed with their pitch, that has to be a slightly concerning sign as far as being able to lure the cream of the crop.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Kevin on Sat Nov 21, 2015 6:28 pm

That should make them learn from their mistakes. They focused way too much on the offcourt stuff and Aldridge isn't interested in doing that.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Sun Nov 22, 2015 12:18 am

Byron Scott has to be tanking, right? He can't be this bad, right??

Third quarter and it's close and then he ends up playing Bass/Nance/Kobe/Swag & Lou. Damn. :? And playing Kobe 37 minutes? Why?
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby [Q] on Sun Nov 22, 2015 3:28 am

I honestly thought the Lakers would not be this bad before the season started. I figured with Clarkson's development and Randle's Odom-esque play and Hibbert's presence in the middle, they'd be at or around .500 and compete for a playoff spot. Man they are just really bad.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Sun Nov 22, 2015 6:30 am

I didn't think they'd be playing for a playoff spot because it's the West but if you look at the team on paper you still wouldn't think they'd be this bad.

Williams stinks, Bass stinks, rotations stink, offense doesn't seem in sync this many games in to the season and the fact Russell doesn't get the ball to actually show me why they picked him as the 2nd pick/future PG of the team is frustrating as fuck. They run the Princeton with all the cutting and such...the play breaks down and you get a Kobe/Randle/Clarkson/Williams/Young ISO play of a terrible long two or a bricked 3 from the guards and Randle's dribble drive to the basket hoping the defense won't force him to his right.

They're starting to figure him out so I hope he develops a consistent jumper and his right hand.

Sucks Bryant goes out like this. But hey, he's fucking loaded thanks to that Laker money.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby air gordon on Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:47 am

Hibbert has been a good acquisition (Y)
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby NovU on Tue Nov 24, 2015 12:01 am

Russell seems to be finally coming around. He's played pretty nicely for 3 straight games. I'm actually surprised because the backcourt rotation seems to be a massive mess right now and he's still able to figure out how to co-exist with rest of guards/wings. Let's see if he can keep this up.

That said, wouldn't it be wise for the Lakers to just hang it up rather sooner than later and go for the outright early bird tanking? I think the Lakers will finish bottom 7 anyways. If they're gonna give up the high draft pick to some loser ass team that doesn't deserve it, might as well go for the better chance at landing top 3 pick again. Are you in?
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby stereoxide on Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:24 am

Byron "The Tank General" Scott will take care of those L's for the Lakers. Hope Clarkson, Randle and Russell gel well together and improve over the course of the season. Sad that Kobe might end his career on this disappointing note though.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby NovU on Tue Nov 24, 2015 7:57 am

This father time Kobe is kinda sad to watch. Could you have ever imagined him saying he [utl=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrV6kx6Vt-0]himself frigging sucks[/url]? Not only that, it kinda is letdown to see Kobe regularly talking in non-competitive spirit this season.

Good grief, I wish the Lakers does him a favor and trade him to a contender even though chances are slim, I'd like to see him playing competitive one more time and play beyond this season. Let the man go. Even a hater like myself can't stand this broken Kobe whose team must tank anyways.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Andrew on Tue Nov 24, 2015 8:54 am

At this point, I think he'd still be the weak link on a contender. He'd need to accept a role that I just can't see him accepting. Consider his recent comments:

“I’m just trying to help these young guys, honestly,” Bryant said Friday after the Lakers’ 102-91 loss to the Toronto Raptors, during which he scored 10 points on 5-of-13 shooting during a season- and game-high 37 minutes.

“I feel good enough that I could go out there and score 25 or something like that, but what the hell is that going to do for these guys? It’s not going to do a damn thing.”


Noble sentiments, but he's leading the team in field goal attempts, all while shooting 33% from the field. As for being good enough to go out there and score 25...I honestly don't know that he could do that on a regular basis. It took him 22 shots to get 18 points yesterday. It's taken him 166 shots to get 163 points so far on the season. At this point, I'm not convinced he can still do the things he was once capable of doing with ease, and I don't think many contenders would be either. Consider what they'd have to give up to get him, given his contract: valuable pieces for a player who's an all-time great, yes, but on the verge of retirement and playing terribly. A farewell tour on a struggling team is how it ends...presumably...because at this point, it's how it has to end.

Kobe can portray it as an unselfish decision to "think outside of what [he] want[s]", but the fact of the matter is, he has no choice. He's part of the reason why the Lakers are in the situation they're currently in, after all. That's not to say that he isn't teaching them anything or not doing right by them at all, but he's making it sound a bit more altruistic than he can fairly say it is.
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Re: Lakers Thread

Postby Jackal on Tue Nov 24, 2015 9:28 am

Yeah this season is a wash.

I agree with Hibbert being a good acquisition, he seemingly plays hard all the time.

The Bass/Williams signing was a waste. They should've just kept Wayne Ellington and Ed Davis. Brass is especially terrible at anything that resembles defense.

Also what is it with people thinking Kobe would be traded to a contender? The guy is all about legacy and such, there's no way in this world he doesn't veto a trade. The Lakers wouldn't do it either. He's all about his legacy, he just wouldn't accept it.

I think Bass/Williams/Young are guys likely trade rumor candidates come Feb.

Here's hoping for a top 3 pick and a new less "known" head coach at the end of this season. Sucks to compliment the Celtics but they really did a good job with Stevens.
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