Nash to Phoenix

Nash isn't a pure PG??!!? Nash is the purest point guard in the league today, maybe more so than Kidd because he beats people with his quickness and speed.

Don't go crazy here, that's all I'll say.
Ronald Murray beats people with his speed and quickness also.

Forgot C/PF rookie Jackson Vroman. (And that euro Vujanic fella, if he comes over)

Crossin' my fingers on Dampier...

Yea, Vroman will help, I heard Vujanic might not be coming, Dampier is out of the picture now, he won't take a paycut to play in Phoenix, ah well, still a lot of hope for the team

Nash isn't a pure PG??!!? Nash is the purest point guard in the league today, maybe more so than Kidd because he beats people with his quickness and speed.

Don't go crazy here, that's all I'll say.
Ronald Murray beats people with his speed and quickness also.

Are you kidding me? If you don't think Nash is a pure PG, I think you're the one going crazy here. I mentioned quickness and speed because that's part of the stereotypical, traditional PG's description and that adds onto how Nash is a pure PG. Note I never said only because of his quickness and speed.

BTW, awesome sig, but what is the difference you make between "The Future" and the "Still Ballin'" categories? You have very young players and vets in both...

Yay. Amare has a point guard that will pass. Marion will probably score more points getting set up by Nash on the break... same with JJ.

I thought Nick would be happy about this... I had an inkling
Geeze, I wonder why??



Macca

Nash isn't a pure PG??!!? Nash is the purest point guard in the league today, maybe more so than Kidd because he beats people with his quickness and speed.

Don't go crazy here, that's all I'll say.
Ronald Murray beats people with his speed and quickness also.

Are you kidding me? If you don't think Nash is a pure PG, I think you're the one going crazy here. I mentioned quickness and speed because that's part of the stereotypical, traditional PG's description and that adds onto how Nash is a pure PG. Note I never said only because of his quickness and speed.

BTW, awesome sig, but what is the difference you make between "The Future" and the "Still Ballin'" categories? You have very young players and vets in both...

Didn't say he isn't a pure PG, but to say he's the purest PG in the league might is an overstatement.

Nash isn't a pure PG??!!? Nash is the purest point guard in the league today, maybe more so than Kidd because he beats people with his quickness and speed.

Don't go crazy here, that's all I'll say.
Ronald Murray beats people with his speed and quickness also.

Are you kidding me? If you don't think Nash is a pure PG, I think you're the one going crazy here. I mentioned quickness and speed because that's part of the stereotypical, traditional PG's description and that adds onto how Nash is a pure PG. Note I never said only because of his quickness and speed.

BTW, awesome sig, but what is the difference you make between "The Future" and the "Still Ballin'" categories? You have very young players and vets in both...

Didn't say he isn't a pure PG, but to say he's the purest PG in the league might is an overstatement.

I don't see how it is. There aren't many in the league today to compete with him. Marbury, Kidd, Miller, TJ Ford...and I would take Nash over any of those in terms of being a pure PG.

i didnt read all the stuff in above this, but IMO this is a ugly deal.
can you imagine Nash in an orange or purple jersey? ugly

I don't see how it is. There aren't many in the league today to compete with him. Marbury, Kidd, Miller, TJ Ford...and I would take Nash over any of those in terms of being a pure PG.

Marbury isn't a pure PG
I think Kidd is more of a pure PG than Nash, could argue for Dre' too.

I don't see how it is. There aren't many in the league today to compete with him. Marbury, Kidd, Miller, TJ Ford...and I would take Nash over any of those in terms of being a pure PG.

Marbury isn't a pure PG
I think Kidd is more of a pure PG than Nash, could argue for Dre' too.

The reason I listed Marbury is that he runs the pick and roll to the utmost precision. He's also not a shabby passing point guard in anyway and nowhere near the "selfish" label guys like Davis and Francis get.

That wasn't BD's fault, his teammates didn't think he was selfish, but he was stupid taking all those three's, but with no other person on the team to really create, and David Wesley (who was injured a lot) being the second option it's hard for the guy not to hog.
He wasn't a "hog" till this season when Mash was injured, and won't be considrered one as long as he has a decent other scoring/playmaking option.

Anyways, back to Nash, too much money for the man, ah well....

That wasn't BD's fault, his teammates didn't think he was selfish, but he was stupid taking all those three's, but with no other person on the team to really create, and David Wesley (who was injured a lot) being the second option it's hard for the guy not to hog.
He wasn't a "hog" till this season when Mash was injured, and won't be considrered one as long as he has a decent other scoring/playmaking option.

Anyways, back to Nash, too much money for the man, ah well....

I personally don't think the selfish label for B Diddy is fair, but I've heard quite a bit before.

Definitely too much $$$...

Yep- would Stockton be the MOST PURE PG of all time???

I have injury concerns with Nash as well, but he hasn't broken down for the last 3 years. He played 82 games in both 2001 and 2002 and 78 in 2003.

to his credit, nash has played through his injuries in recent years but it's clearly evident that by the time the playoffs roll by, he's worn out. most of his career playoff averages are lower then his regular season averages. and did you see that mavs/kings series? bibby owned nash and hair canada could only muster paltry 38% from the field. mark cuban admitted openly on his site about steve's age and injury being concerns

Yes, IMO it's wise to spend $13 million a year on Nash because he'll help this team so much on offense. He's a fast break guy and a pure point guard who distributes. Barbosa likes to score more than Nash and with guys like JJ, Marion, and Amare, you should be spreading the ball around. Vujanic can play some 2. In fact, that's what he plays in Europe right now, iirc, and probably what he's better at. Last time I checked, he was averaging 3.8 apg, but I could be mistaken. Neither he nor Barbosa are proven commodities like Nash is in the league. Yes, Barbosa showed lots of promise (and I loved having him on my fantasy team) last year, but he's only 22 and has many years ahead of him. He needs a lot of development off the court as well, and Nash can be a good mentor for him.

the first few yrs, the investment will look good. but after that, it will turn into an untradeable aged pg getting paid 13 mil to sit on the bench and help barbosa in practice.

what barbosa needs is more time on the court. imo barbosa would beat out nash if given the fair opportunity to do it next year

I have injury concerns with Nash as well, but he hasn't broken down for the last 3 years. He played 82 games in both 2001 and 2002 and 78 in 2003.

to his credit, nash has played through his injuries in recent years but it's clearly evident that by the time the playoffs roll by, he's worn out. most of his career playoff averages are lower then his regular season averages. and did you see that mavs/kings series? bibby owned nash and hair canada could only muster paltry 38% from the field. mark cuban admitted openly on his site about steve's age and injury being concerns

Ah but you see, with a talented, young point like Barbosa, you dont' need to play Nash for 33 mpg. He can save it for the playoffs/later stretch of the year. There wasn't much of a backup for Nash in Dallas...Tony Delk, Travis Best, heck, Antoine Walker was at times, their best backup until Daniels got some playing time.

Yes, IMO it's wise to spend $13 million a year on Nash because he'll help this team so much on offense. He's a fast break guy and a pure point guard who distributes. Barbosa likes to score more than Nash and with guys like JJ, Marion, and Amare, you should be spreading the ball around. Vujanic can play some 2. In fact, that's what he plays in Europe right now, iirc, and probably what he's better at. Last time I checked, he was averaging 3.8 apg, but I could be mistaken. Neither he nor Barbosa are proven commodities like Nash is in the league. Yes, Barbosa showed lots of promise (and I loved having him on my fantasy team) last year, but he's only 22 and has many years ahead of him. He needs a lot of development off the court as well, and Nash can be a good mentor for him.

the first few yrs, the investment will look good. but after that, it will turn into an untradeable aged pg getting paid 13 mil to sit on the bench and help barbosa in practice.

what barbosa needs is more time on the court. imo barbosa would beat out nash if given the fair opportunity to do it next year

I highly doubt Barbosa would be able to beat Nash out next year. Barbosa, as high as I am on him, is extremely raw both offensively and defensively (even though he has certain skills to excel in defense). He needs more time and a good mentor to help him out some more. He needs to learn to take care of the ball better while also making passes inside of the offense. He'll still be getting a good chunk of minutes (around the same as last year), so it's like Nash's signing will stunt his development fully.

Edit - Meh, this stupid quote thing. More like I'm stupid.

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He's a little raw offensively, but he can get to the basket, and he's got a good outside shot, just needs work on his mid-range game which he's doing, and also on defense he is long and quick, just needs strength and better decision making, could be a good PG on both ends.

He's a little raw offensively, but he can get to the basket, and he's got a good outside shot, just needs work on his mid-range game which he's doing, and also on defense he is long and quick, just needs strength and better decision making, could be a good PG on both ends.

That's a good description...I think he could learn a few passing tricks from Nash as well and how to take care of the ball a little better (he's no Gil or PP, but it could use some work). Nash is a good mentor for him and with Amare a budding star, JJ exploding, and Marion being steady (hey, you never know when he's going to get seriously injured having stayed so injury-free and so much cap space, I don't see why you wouldn't want to make this possibly the best fast break team in the league. They're young, they're talented, they'll a veteran point guard to take them to the playoffs (or hopefully, for Suns' fans), and more cap space to get a big man, there isn't a better time.

F of All.. you bring some up some valid points. we'll see how coach D' will play things out. these past few years, the mavs coaching staff would say they would try to limit his minutes to under 32 but it never happened. easy to say now you'll set his minutes but when the season gets rolling and you're trying for a playoff spot/homecourt...

personally i think this mentor factor is overrated. i think the assistants who put in the extra time working with the players play a big factor

F of All.. you bring some up some valid points. we'll see how coach D' will play things out. these past few years, the mavs coaching staff would say they would try to limit his minutes to under 32 but it never happened. easy to say now you'll set his minutes but when the season gets rolling and you're trying for a playoff spot/homecourt...

personally i think this mentor factor is overrated. i think the assistants who put in the extra time working with the players play a big factor

You are correct that it's easy to point my finger right now and say Nash should get X minutes . However, I think a mentor is really important. You get a player who knows the game and how it is today, who plays on the court instead of on the sidelines, and someone who knows the ins and outs as well as anyone playing of how to be a point guard.

A very good take on this signing by none other than MarK Cuban. This is from his blog.

http://www.blogmaverick.com/entry/6721616637326928/

Thanks for the link Colin, it was a good read. I can't really blame Nash for taking the money (especially when he's a player that is actually somewhat worthy of an insane amount of money) nor Cuban and the Mavericks for standing back and letting it happen. It seems that Bill Duffy wasn't interested in coming to a more mutually beneficial agreement, so that places the Mavericks in an unenviable situation.