Trade - Nets: Joe Johnson; ATL: Morrow, 1st round pick, junk

[shadowgrin]

But the discussion sort of is moot as what's done is what's done. Time will tell if this was a good move or bad one or if they can make up for it by landing Dwight. Who knows.

Kobe fucking Christ. Then why bother with it in the first place instead of not discussing it with ugly losers like benji and air gordon.


'Hey you guys let's discuss about this subject with me like it means something that will eventually be unnecessary because it's moot and invalid anyway!'


For the love of the Holy Kobe that is ridiculous.

[NovU]

I meant going into a tiresome argument where there are millions of variables and what-if-scenarios. Both ways, there were points made already anyways. It's a wait and see game from here on.

By the way, how is the projection on this team using the stats? Basically, they added Joe Johnson on top and made a couple adjustment on bench. Perhaps +8 or 9 win increment?

[shadowgrin]

I meant going into a tiresome argument where there are millions of variables and what-if-scenarios. Both ways, there were points made already anyways. It's a wait and see game from here on.

Says the guy who went 'extremely hypothetical' and calling the other guy's point as invalid.

[air gordon]

Wallace. Name which players would play/start over him. You could even argue thibbs starts Wallace and slides to sg. even your hypotheticals stink.

You Have criticized the nets moves. You said the nets could have done better. Still waiting for you to back that up. If you Are going to puss out and say youre tired (you blew ur load on the gordon/green argument lol), stay in the heat thread.

I'm hearing the nets are once again the front runners for howard. How about that

[graybakflip]

Wallace. Name which players would play/start over him. You could even argue thibbs starts Wallace and slides to sg. even your hypotheticals stink.

You Have criticized the nets moves. You said the nets could have done better. Still waiting for you to back that up. If you Are going to puss out and say youre tired (you blew ur load on the gordon/green argument lol), stay in the heat thread.

I'm hearing the nets are once again the front runners for howard. How about that

That's right Sir airgordon. as what I've said earlier, this NETS team now is TAKING OVER(bobcats=nets? ) specially this off-season. everything I've said 'bout the possibility of acquiring deron+jj+gwallace+DWIGHT HOWARD is not just on purely speculations. orlando doesn't want Bynum, or should I say bynum wont sign w/ orlando if traded(he has his own list, per woj). if they were really the front runners for dwight as what the media said last week, it should be a done deal since then!(2nd best C right?). orlando want's cap space/dump bad contracts/PICKS w/c the lakers can't give everything since they acquired the 38 nash. reports now that nets already found a 3rd team for hump, w/c is either cavs/sixers(either of them, BK always do back-up plans), they are now the front runners for DH12..maybe cavs GM, still can't move on w/ bron so help nets make their own fantastic four, and sixers since last season they have the interest on hump and now that brand would be amnestied. and heard that orl is shipping RA to hornets for g.ayon?(w/c for me really compliments lopez).
here are some of the latest tweets from woj:

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Bynum has shown no inclination to agree to an immediate extension if sent to Orlando as part of a Dwight Howard package, sources tell Y!

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA
Dallas and Cleveland are among teams with cap space that would interest Bynum in 2013 as a free agent, sources tell Y!

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

If Magic and Lakers want to do a deal, each may need to call the bluff on Howard and Bynum stated unwillingness to accept extensions.

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA

Among Bynum’s short list of potential free agent landing spots in 2013, Houston is prominent with Dallas and Cleveland, sources tell Y!

this is from ESPN

The New Orleans Hornets’ frontcourt is taking shape.

Sources with knowledge of the talks told ESPN.com on Sunday that the Hornets and Orlando Magic reached agreement on a sign-and-trade deal that will send Magic forward Ryan Anderson to New Orleans to play alongside prized rookie Anthony Davis.

The Magic will receive young Hornets center Gustavo Ayon in the deal.

from alex:

Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA

Nets and Magic are looking for third team to take Kris Humphries. As @TommyDeeTKB said, Cavs are possibility. 76ers are also a possibility.
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from sam amick:

Sam Amick
Source confirms Brooklyn has made progress in its search for a third team to take Kris Humphries in a possible Dwight Howard trade with Orlando. Cleveland is a possibility, as well as numerous Western Conference teams, source says

Billy King's on a roll: w/ lopez or w/ DH

WojYahooNBA New York and Brooklyn are frontrunners in sign-and-trade talks to acquire Houston’s Marcus Camby, league sources tell Y

sorry for the long post, this is me while reading a while ago:

peace

[NovU]

Wallace. Name which players would play/start over him. You could even argue thibbs starts Wallace and slides to sg. even your hypotheticals stink.

You could, but that still wont' mean he's a better player than those on the bench. I look from statistical point of view.

You Have criticized the nets moves. You said the nets could have done better. Still waiting for you to back that up. If you Are going to puss out and say youre tired (you blew ur load on the gordon/green argument lol), stay in the heat thread.

I'm hearing the nets are once again the front runners for howard. How about that

In fact I wasn't the one trying to prove anything but was sharing my thought. Since you were stuck in the mindset to prove me wrong that this was the best possible, why couldn't you simply explain how it was so. Yet you still can't explain how this was the best possible move for the Nets because you don't even believe so. Looks good on paper? I also could argue with a Not-So-Much case, as a statistical projection I don't think will drastically improve the Nets win % next season. The Nets always have been the frontrunner for Dwight up untill this point anyways. So is that the reason why you think this was the best possible move they could have pulled?

[shadowgrin]

You could, but that still wont' mean he's a better player than those on the bench. I look from statistical point of view.

LOLWAT. Please explain why Gerald Wallace isn't better than the Bulls bench from a statistical point of view. I find this quite amusing.

[Andrew]

(Insert Brian Scalabrine meme here)

[shadowgrin]

Brian Scalabrine is beyond statistics. His exceptional skills and talent are far better than what meaningless numbers show.

[air gordon]

Indulge me. Show me Butler, Brewer, and even Deng should be playing more then Wallace. Even with Deng missing 12 games. Rose missing 27. Watson missing 16.

Get it straight. I never said these moves made by the nets were the “best”. You questioned/criticized the moves made… specifically if they were necessary to keep Deron Williams. Deron Williams said himself the Joe Johnson trade made him change his mind to stay in NJN. And now with Deron, JJ, and Wallace aboard, the Nets are the frontrunner for Howard. you talked about cap space and I cited the Dallas Mavericks on how they are becoming the biggest losers this offseason

And still all this hyperbole and jabber from you and you haven’t backed up your opinion. Thanks for “sharing your thought”. Share more. What was the best move they could have made?? Who are these young, healthy players with massive potential that will sign a cheap contracts/or will take minimal assets to acquire? Do it. Do it now

and shadow..speaking of the great arnold... "you're one ugly motherfucker.>>"

[graybakflip]

(Insert Brian Scalabrine meme here)

statistically, you mean the white mamba?

[NovU]

Indulge me. Show me Butler, Brewer, and even Deng should be playing more then Wallace. Even with Deng missing 12 games. Rose missing 27. Watson missing 16.

Get it straight. I never said these moves made by the nets were the “best”. You questioned/criticized the moves made… specifically if they were necessary to keep Deron Williams. Deron Williams said himself the Joe Johnson trade made him change his mind to stay in NJN. And now with Deron, JJ, and Wallace aboard, the Nets are the frontrunner for Howard. you talked about cap space and I cited the Dallas Mavericks on how they are becoming the biggest losers this offseason

And still all this hyperbole and jabber from you and you haven’t backed up your opinion. Thanks for “sharing your thought”. Share more. What was the best move they could have made?? Who are these young, healthy players with massive potential that will sign a cheap contracts/or will take minimal assets to acquire? Do it. Do it now

and shadow..speaking of the great arnold... "you're one ugly motherfucker.>>"

How about you get it straight. I am not the only one that criticiezd this move made. They are a winner, getting JJ, GW, and Deron this offseason both on paper and media. I am not going to deny that. And perhaps there is still possibility of landing Dwight as well, as Russian owner isn't afraid to spend. If they do land him, they got like what, 4/5 millions? to fill out the rest of roster on rookie scale otherwise a luxury tax.

But I have my doubts and this clearly wasn't worth doubt free moves. As told, I am not really sold on GW nor JJ not as much as you guys are.

[air gordon]

How about you answer the questions already? answer the question, Claire!!

[NovU]

Lolz. What more do you want from this pointless discussion that's getting nowhere. Fine, here's something more you can chew on.

With Dwight, I guess they made good moves. Maybe not the best like Iggy over Joe would have been huge but whatever. They made the moves that needed to be made. Without Dwight, the moves were just enough for them to be generic 1st or 2nd round losers at best, which, in my opinion, I don't care if you are trying to make a bang with your new city or not, being the 5th seed does nothing to progress your franchise. Now again, with Dwight, that's a scary team. (It just feels bloody; grossly overpaid salaries, declining and underproductive players, but winding up with 2 of the best 20 players in basketball). Not favorites, but definitely in the thick of things.

[Radioman]

If J.J. was the factor that DW convinced to stay in Brooklyn i would say it was a good move. I also think GW is much overpaid on his 4 yr contract. It all depends if the Nets are able to pull the Howard deal, if not this team is nothing else than the Hawks in the last years... a first or second round exit.

[shadowgrin]

discussion that's getting nowhere.

You could, but that still wont' mean he's a better player than those on the bench. I look from statistical point of view.

LOLWAT. Please explain why Gerald Wallace isn't better than the Bulls bench from a statistical point of view. I find this quite amusing.

Still waiting for you to back that up. If you Are going to puss out and say youre tired (you blew ur load on the gordon/green argument lol), stay in the heat thread.

[NovU]

Don't get me wrong grin. Responding to your trolling(or usual bitching should I say) that leads nowhere has grown somewhat old for me. So should you.

What could have been hyperbole or synopsis, what you make out of them, I don't really care. They all led to the point I just made earlier. If you want to add on it, please do go ahead, but I am done with this one. Meaningless.

[shadowgrin]

lol trolling I am not unless you were with that 'statistical point of view' statement.

lol hyperbole and synopsis, seriously? First you are raping stats now you're raping language too.
First I thought you were a moron because you intentionally neglect to read but now I think you're a legitimate idiot.

It's safe to say that I don't get you wrong but rather your posts are meaningless.
That's why I'm asking you to show why you think that way unless other people become infected by your perception and false consciousness of what statistics, figures of speech/language, and basketball in general are.

[air gordon]

Chew on that, mr grin. Andre fricking iguodala. How do you like them apples.

Still waiting on the Wallace vs bench mob statistical point of view. I can't wait

[NovU]

Still waiting on the Wallace vs bench mob statistical point of view. I can't wait

I just don't think he's very good. It's obvious Noah, Boozer, Rose, Deng being better than Wallace. That leaves us with likes of Taj Gibson, Kyle Korver, Ronnie Brewer, Asik, and Lucas. The book on Gerald Wallace is he's just getting older and his athleticism is starting to go and he's an athlete first and a basketball player second. If he gives you 17 per(not unlikely but fairly optimistic), you are getting above average production from a guy who doesn't need the ball very much. He'll rebound and defend and score around the rim. Everything else you get from him(the occasional drive or mid range jumper) is gravy. Wallace really won't hut you as your 4th guy purely from a basketball perspective, forget his groslly overpaid salary, and with Howard, would 4th guy really matter. Then here's a thing when it comes to the Bulls' bench comparison. Nearly everyone on the Bulls' bench are above average players as well. They average much less minutes per game and are asked on lessor roles but more efficiently produce win shares per minute. Their Per is bit lower but then there is no reason not to think players like Gibson couldn't put up more with bigger roles, more minutes, and more plays at the level Gerald was getting. These guys in their career were never asked to be the 2nd nor 3rd player and maybe not even 4th player for their team whilst Gerald was. Definiltely comparable. If it was 08 Wallace, there wouldn't be a discussion though.

Perhaps, it wasn't fair for me to claim that he was definite lessor than the Bulls' bench but again, is a discussion derived from me being hypothetical in the heat of discussion, which needlessly got blown out of proportion thx to the bitch once again.

[shadowgrin]

Perhaps, it wasn't fair for me to claim that he was definite lessor than the Bulls' bench but again, is a discussion derived from me being hypothetical in the heat of discussion, which needlessly got blown out of proportion

Wow how pathetic.
Just because you can't back-up your assumptions properly, making you look like the idiot that you are in the process, you blame someone else. Talk about using the victim card.
Don't get me wrong I'd like to take credit for making you look stupid but really it's all you with the crap that you spew out and I can't take credit for it.

lol blown out of proportion, says the guy who has to rely on hypotheticals just to state his point.
I didn't even blow anything (BECAUSE I DON'T SWING THAT WAY). My only posts before asking you about your "statistical point of view" were posts calling you out for your cop out which you do every time when people notice the crap you're spewing.

I would like to break down your recent post to show and eliminate some wrong assumptions about them 'stats' that you used but I'm afraid you might use the victim card and blame me again for your idiocy and actions in raping stats, language, and logic.

Not only are you an idiot but you seem to enjoy driving the whaaambulance. Keep on trucking victim!

[NovU]

I don't doubt you can't. It's who you are. Rather than offering your own or adding anything to a healthy discussion, you focus on making somebody look stupid which you pathetically seem to be proud of. That's who you have been in thie forum.

Please do break down my recent posts and bring your opinions to the table. I'd rather have you that way in the future instead.

[shadowgrin]

Healthy discussion? You call a healthy discussion where the other party constantly, repeatedly, always weasels out from it when flaws in opinion/argument/assumption are shown?
Clubbing baby seals are more enjoyable compared to your version of a 'healthy discussion'.

Like I said before in another thread, I give no effort in making somebody look stupid. They do it by themselves and to themselves. All of them seem to be like you also, proud of using the victim card or being the whaaambulance driver.

Reason I call out stupids is because I want to see/read a good discussion and not your twisted version of a 'healthy discussion'. For example, see this thread that is before your cop out post about the discussion being moot, which I called you out for it. That part before your cop out post could be considered a healthy discussion until you decided to weasel out without making your points clear.

Please do break down my recent posts and bring your opinions to the table. I'd rather have you that way in the future instead.

That's what I've been doing even in the past but when I break down a post and participate early in the discussion then you or the other stupids whine about how oppressed you are and how a sexay person is mean to you by breaking down your post.
How would it be different this time when I break down your recent post and also knowing well that you admittedly don't bother to read and enjoy raping stats to suit your own hypothesis, hyperbole, and synopsis.
No thank you sir, keep on driving the whaaambulance straight off the cliff.

Come to think of it's only now that I've noticed that you use the victim card when you have been doing it even then. I guess you're such a good whaaambulance driver that I barely noticed it.

[NovU]

I don't think I'm copping out but more of a case not dealing with your bitching anymore, which usually gets nowhere as it involves a lot of subjectivity and taunting. As for this discussion, I am not sure what it was that air_gordon wanted to draw from me, but ultimately it was a simple disagreement on the moves that the Nets made. Simple middle point would have been that they made the moves that were needed to be made. It might be true that the discussion went on little too far and I obviously have my own fault in that as my criticism may have sound bit harsh but at the same time Air_gordon's initial notion which held much optimism somewhat overlooking other downsides to the trade also led the discussion this far. Imo, that's all there is to this, really.

Whine, victim card, breakdown, whatever it is you are coming up with, those are some solid analysis. Good job, good effort.

[air gordon]

Oh so that's what you call it. My mistake for playing. I never knew until now the "situation". Oh- Gibson doesn't play sf