Netanyahu-Palestinian state is good. Abas-not good enough!

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Bibi - We’re proud that over one million Arab citizens of Israel have been enjoying these rights for decades. Of the 300 million Arabs in the Middle East and North Africa, only Israel’s Arab citizens enjoy real democratic rights. I want you to stop for a second and think about that. Of those 300 million Arabs, less than one-half of one-percent are truly free, and they’re all citizens of Israel!

The Palestinians share this small land with us. We seek a peace in which they will be neither Israel’s subjects nor its citizens. They should enjoy a national life of dignity as a free, viable and independent people in their own state. They should enjoy a prosperous economy, where their creativity and initiative can flourish.

We’ve already seen the beginnings of what is possible. In the last two years,

the Palestinians have begun to build a better life for themselves. Prime Minister Fayad has led this effort. I wish him a speedy recovery from his recent operation.

We’ve helped the Palestinian economy by removing hundreds of barriers and roadblocks to the free flow of goods and people. The results have been nothing short of remarkable. The Palestinian economy is booming. It’s growing by more than 10% a year.

Palestinian cities look very different today than they did just a few years ago. They have shopping malls, movie theaters, restaurants, banks. They even have e-businesses. This is all happening without peace. Imagine what could happen with peace. Peace would herald a new day for both peoples. It would make the dream of a broader Arab-Israeli peace a realistic possibility.

So now here is the question. You have to ask it. If the benefits of peace with the Palestinians are so clear, why has peace eluded us? Because all six Israeli Prime Ministers since the signing of Oslo accords agreed to establish a Palestinian state. Myself included. So why has peace not been achieved? Because so far, the Palestinians have been unwilling to accept a Palestinian state, if it meant accepting a Jewish state alongside it.

You see, our conflict has never been about the establishment of a Palestinian state. It has always been about the existence of the Jewish state. This is what this conflict is about. In 1947, the United Nations voted to partition the land into a Jewish state and an Arab state. The Jews said yes. The Palestinians said no. In recent years, the Palestinians twice refused generous offers by Israeli Prime Ministers, to establish a Palestinian state on virtually all the territory won by Israel in the Six Day War.


My friends, this must come to an end. President Abbas must do what I have done. I stood before my people, and I told you it wasn’t easy for me, and I said… “I will accept a Palestinian state.” It is time for President Abbas to stand before his people and say… “I will accept a Jewish state.”


This compromise must reflect the dramatic demographic changes that have occurred since 1967. The vast majority of the 650,000 Israelis who live beyond the 1967 lines, reside in neighborhoods and suburbs of Jerusalem and Greater Tel Aviv.

These areas are densely populated but geographically quite small. Under any realistic peace agreement, these areas, as well as other places of critical strategic and national importance, will be incorporated into the final borders of Israel.

The status of the settlements will be decided only in negotiations. But we must also be honest. So I am saying today something that should be said publicly by anyone serious about peace. In any peace agreement that ends the conflict, some settlements will end up beyond Israel’s borders. The precise delineation of those borders must be negotiated. We will be very generous on the size of a future Palestinian state. But as President Obama said, the border will be different than the one that existed on June 4, 1967. Israel will not return to the indefensible lines of 1967.

So peace must be anchored in security. In recent years, Israel withdrew from South Lebanon and Gaza. But we didn’t get peace. Instead, we got 12,000 thousand rockets fired from those areas on our cities, on our children, by Hezbollah and Hamas. The UN peacekeepers in Lebanon failed to prevent the smuggling of this weaponry. The European observers in Gaza evaporated overnight. So if Israel simply walked out of the territories, the flow of weapons into a future Palestinian state would be unchecked. Missiles fired from it could reach virtually every home in Israel in less than a minute. I want you to think about that too. Imagine that right now we all had less than 60 seconds to find shelter from an incoming rocket. Would you live that way? Would anyone live that way? Well, we aren’t going to live that way either.

The truth is that Israel needs unique security arrangements because of its unique size. Israel is one of the smallest countries in the world. Mr. Vice President, I’ll grant you this. It’s bigger than Delaware. It’s even bigger than Rhode Island. But that’s about it. Israel on the 1967 lines would be half the width of the Washington Beltway.

Hamas is not a partner for peace. Hamas remains committed to Israel’s destruction and to terrorism. They have a charter. That charter not only calls for the obliteration of Israel, but says ‘kill the Jews wherever you find them’. Hamas’ leader condemned the killing of Osama bin Laden and praised him as a holy warrior. Now again I want to make this clear. Israel is prepared to sit down today and negotiate peace with the Palestinian Authority. I believe we can fashion a brilliant future of peace for our children. But Israel will not negotiate with a Palestinian government backed by the Palestinian version of Al Qaeda.

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Abbas says Netanyahu's speech disappointing

An Abbas aide, Nabil Shaath, called Netanyahu's outlines a "declaration of war" against the Palestinians and said the Israeli leader is not a partner for peace.

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Hamas to PA: Tear agreements with Israel to pieces

Netanyahu's nonrecognition of the Palestinian people's rights before the Congress makes the negotiations and the peace process with Israel absurd," Hamas spokesperson Sami Abu Zuhri said

So tell me folks. Who do think are in the wrong?
Leno - "What if the Native Americans demanded we go back to the 1492 border lines"

well the wars between Israel & Palestine were fairly even, it's not like the Palestinians didn't have guns. i think they should be given their land back. and besides, the Americans effectively wiped out the natives to the point where their only significance in this country today is providing a place for 18-20 year olds to gamble away their money. you can't really compare the two situations.

even wars? You call Palestinians lobbing missiles at school buses an "even war" when Israel is the condemned for trying to get the guys who killed the children?

i meant technological advances were fairly even on both sides

i meant technological advances were fairly even on both sides

You obviously do not realize that your computer's hardware was designed in Israel! Think of what they might have now.

A few months ago the Palestinians sent a missile into Israeli airspace. It was immediately intercepted by Israel's new defense shield.

You think American security is bad? Here is what they deal with. You are screened as you go into the terminal, before you even get to the ticket window you have been screened. Then they ask you what your business for flying is among other person details. If they suspect you are nervous or might not be telling the truth you WILL be held for further questioning

My cousin was over there a few years ago. He went on a tour into the valley of Armageddon. Suddenly a military jet screamed overhead. It went behind a mountain and then all was silent! There was no sound of the jet continuing! There also was no sound of a crash! He didn't get it on video or camera because they are not allowed there. I wonder what big secret Israel is hiding.

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I now notice you said the wars WERE similar in technology. While I agree that back in the 80s they were similar. Back in the 40s, 50s, and 60s it was miraculous that Israel even survived!

You should check out the history of the region before telling me that Israel had equipment even close to that of the armies surrounding them!

You still have not answered my question? Why should the Palestinians be allowed to CONTINUE to fire 5,000 rockets per YEAR into Israel? Why should Israel be forced to give up land to the people who want to destroy all jews?

What I want to know is why anyone who doesn't live there should give a damn.

Why should the Palestinians be allowed to CONTINUE to fire 5,000 rockets per YEAR into Israel?

Who's going to stop them?

Why should Israel be forced to give up land to the people who want to destroy all jews?

And who's going to make them?

What I want to know is why anyone who doesn't live there should give a damn.

New to human history?

Why should the Palestinians be allowed to CONTINUE to fire 5,000 rockets per YEAR into Israel?

Who's going to stop them?

Um, Israel is trying to but everytime they go after the guys the UN tells Israel to stop!

Why should Israel be forced to give up land to the people who want to destroy all jews?

And who's going to make them?

Check out what the UN and Obama has been telling them to do!

What I want to know is why anyone who doesn't live there should give a damn.

New to human history?

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Those are my thoughts as well. The radical Muslims call Israel "The Big Satan" and call us "The Little Satan" because we historically support Israel.

Btw check out this video and tell me what you think

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Um, Israel is trying to but everytime they go after the guys the UN tells Israel to stop!

And the U.N. is going to do what?

Check out what the UN and Obama has been telling them to do!

Like I said, who's going to make them?

The UN can enact sanctions. Or the UN could go to war against israel.

What I want to know is why anyone who doesn't live there should give a damn.

New to human history?

Not particularly. I just don't see why everyone outside the region should be wasting so much time on trying to achieve peace, because it's never going to happen, and why we need debates about which finger-pointer on which side is right and whether anyone is being "fair" (whatever the hell that means). Doesn't matter what you do, they're going to keep fighting, so the less people you let it affect the better.

Or we could send Tim Minchin over there with his peace anthem.

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Not particularly. I just don't see why everyone outside the region should be wasting so much time on trying to achieve peace, because it's never going to happen, and why we need debates about which finger-pointer on which side is right and whether anyone is being "fair" (whatever the hell that means). Doesn't matter what you do, they're going to keep fighting, so the less people you let it affect the better.

I agree that peace will never happen...until the anti-Christ comes along.
Have you ever wondered what would happen if the Palestinians would stop trying to kill the jews what would happen? Every war that has happened since Israel became a nation in 1948 has been instigated by the Muslims surrounding them. If the muslims would destroy the jewish nation what would happen? Lets look at history. Do you know what happened when the Muslims took over much of Europe during the dark ages? They not only killed every person would not become a muslim they also burned every non muslim book they could find.

Or the UN could go to war against israel.

You think the U.S. is going to go to war with Israel?

You think the U.N. would start a third world war over the "rednecks of the Middle East"?

If the muslims would destroy the jewish nation what would happen? Lets look at history. Do you know what happened when the Muslims took over much of Europe during the dark ages? They not only killed every person would not become a muslim they also burned every non muslim book they could find.

That's not true at all.

And Spain is "much of Europe"?

Israel isn't the last line of defense against a new Islamic Empire. They different Islamic nations would have to get along first.

Btw check out this video and tell me what you think

I see a man who's thinking about basketball and can't wait to get out of that meeting and play some pickup games with the cabinet members. That's what I think.
I do the same 'listening seriously' face when I would rather be elsewhere.

My cousin was over there a few years ago. He went on a tour into the valley of Armageddon. Suddenly a military jet screamed overhead. It went behind a mountain and then all was silent! There was no sound of the jet continuing! There also was no sound of a crash! He didn't get it on video or camera because they are not allowed there. I wonder what big secret Israel is hiding.

People should know how sound waves travel. Or sonic boom.

Lets look at history. Do you know what happened when the Muslims took over much of Europe during the dark ages?

Algebra (mathematics), chemistry, geology, physics, astronomy, art, and medicine?


I'm tired to search and post good links so just settle for Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_co ... val_Europe

that wiki is hogwash

http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Setting_t ... ic_Science

And the reason we should believe your wiki over the other wiki is...

And what about my questions

Don't wait for the translation!

Most people in the United states do not want to go to war with Israel. The Libs in the US would since they think that Israel must give up land.

So they would start a third world war over something they do entirely to get donations?

Why not, it would get them more donations. Particularly from Sorros.

that wiki is hogwash

http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Setting_t ... ic_Science

Geez, I didn't say believe it immediately. At least bother to read and analyze what I posted.
It's even easy to see. First paragraph, third sentence from that wiki I posted:

Of particular importance was the rediscovery of the ancient classic texts, most notably the work of the Greek natural philosopher Aristotle, through retranslations from Arabic.

It's possible that the Muslims helped in the transfer of ancient knowledge known from the Greeks and Romans to the Europeans. The Muslims may not have invented or discovered those things but they did help to spread it, which isn't completely contrary to that wiki you posted.

You need to read what I posted about your post before you claim I didn't read your post.

Why not, it would get them more donations. Particularly from Sorros.

I think you need to think this through better.

Your argument is that the Democratic Party would willingly start World War III by attacking an ALLY to get more donations from George Soros?

To the left Israel is not an ally. Look up Code Pink

I'm more than aware of Code Pink. They continue to protest all our other wars in the Middle East and our role as the worlds policeman. You think they'll be on the frontlines calling for the U.S. bombing of Israel that leads to the utter collapse of international politics? And likely a descent into some sort of World War? And you think they have any ACTUAL say in American politics? They're like us voluntaryists, principled but irrelevant. (The difference being that we're right.)

We aren't going to war with Israel. They're our leverage in the Middle East.

If someone else of relevance goes to war with Israel then we're all fucked anyway.

Take a look at their role in that blockade runner situation last summer, where, when Israel stopped the ship the liberal media back the blockade runners. Check out their role in the upcoming blockade running they are planning. How does 15 ships trying to run the blockade sound. Who do think will be blamed when one of them gets sunk?