ALL-NBA Teams Announced

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http://www.nba.com/2011/news/05/12/all-nba-release/?ls=iref:nbahpt2

1st: Howard, James, Durant, Bryant, Rose
2nd: Stoudemire, Nowitzki, Gasol, Wade, Westbrook
3rd: Horford, Aldridge, Randolph, Ginobili, Paul

Pretty decent, although Wade deserves the 1st more than Bryant. The 2nd and 3rd team's forwards are basically made up of forward-centers - no small forwards. Horford and Randolph should probably be replaced by Griffin and Love. I'd put Griffin above Gasol and bump him down to third team. Great to see Westbrook over Paul.

Other players receiving votes, with point totals (first team votes in parentheses): Rajon Rondo, Boston, 68; Paul Pierce, Boston, 55; Carmelo Anthony, Denver-New York, 53; Kevin Love, Minnesota, 48; Tim Duncan, San Antonio, 43; Blake Griffin, L.A. Clippers, 36; Tony Parker, San Antonio, 27; Kevin Garnett, Boston, 22; Deron Williams, Utah-New Jersey 19; Steve Nash, Phoenix, 17; Andrew Bogut, Milwaukee, 13; Monta Ellis, Golden State, 11; Nene, Denver, 11; Andrew Bynum, L.A. Lakers, 9; Kevin Martin, Houston, 7; Tyson Chandler, Dallas, 7; Joakim Noah, Chicago, 5; Marc Gasol, Memphis, 3; Al Jefferson, Utah, 3; Kendrick Perkins, Boston-Oklahoma City, 3; Andrea Bargnani, Toronto, 2; Chris Bosh, Miami, 2; Andre Iguodala, Philadelphia, 1; Emeka Okafor, New Orleans, 1; Eric Gordon, L.A. Clippers, 1; Gerald Wallace, Charlotte-Portland, 1; Jason Kidd, Dallas, 1; Luis Scola, Houston, 1; Luol Deng, Chicago, 1; Ray Allen, Boston, 1

lol at Scola and Perkins. complete rofl at Bargs.

[Lamrock]

Griffin second team? Thank god you don't vote, but seeing as how Westbrook made it over Paul, it wouldn't have been much worse. Glad to see LA make it though.

[atlwarrior]

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/05/12/all-nba-release/?ls=iref:nbahpt2

1st: Howard, James, Durant, Bryant, Rose
2nd: Stoudemire, Nowitzki, Gasol, Wade, Westbrook
3rd: Horford, Aldridge, Randolph, Ginobili, Paul

CP3 should've been second team. Westbrook should've been third team. Kevin Love should've been second team and I would probably taken off Aldridge or Horford and Put Pau on the third team.

EDIT: I see they were more biased for players who were on winning teams but KEVIN LOVE! How COULD HE NOT EVEN BE ON ANY OF THE TEAMS! HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?!

[buzzy]

It's a shame how Kobe still gets the nod in those votings over Wade year after year ..

edit: alright, scratch the 'year after year', they've been on the first team together the last two years

But since Rose's spot was clear because of winning MVP, Wade should have gotten that other guard spot this year.

[Andrew]

Good selections on the whole, you could possibly switch a few of the players around (maybe Paul over Westbrook as already mentioned) but all of those players are deserving of the recognition. I'd have to agree with atlwarya9 though, I might've put Love on the third team over Horford.

[The X]

Durant over Nowitzki I'd have Wade & Dirk in 1st, move Kobe & Durant to 2nd team.

Move Paul & Love to 2nd team, Gasol & Westbrook to 3rd team.

Naturally the 3rd team pivot spot is reserved for Bogie but due to injuries & playing on one arm, I can forgive the voters for leaving him out this one year

[NovU]

Durant over Nowitzki I'd have Wade & Dirk in 1st, move Kobe & Durant to 2nd team.

Move Paul & Love to 2nd team, Gasol & Westbrook to 3rd team.

Couldn't agree with you more on Wade and Dirk. Kobe definitely had a mediocre season. He should have been lucky even for the 2nd team. And Durant was good but Dirk was awesome.

As for Love, I am still not convinced of his quality. He isn't one of those superstar quality player to me, not just yet. If he could lead his team to 35+ wins, then I will reconsider. For now, he's just a stat padder.

[Andrew]

As for Love, I am still not convinced of his quality. He isn't one of those superstar quality player to me, not just yet. If he could lead his team to 35+ wins, then I will reconsider. For now, he's just a stat padder.

I don't know that you could call him a franchise player yet - though put a few other decent players around him and let's see what he can do - but I've never really bought into the whole "great stats on a bad team" argument. There have been plenty of players on bad teams over the years but they don't all put up stats like Kevin Love did this year. He isn't Andray Blatche putting up great numbers for 15-20 games on a lottery bound Wizards team towards the end of the season, he was putting up those numbers from start to finish. Bad team or not, a player isn't going to maintain those numbers over an 82 game season without having some skill and talent.

[Lamrock]

Can take or leave Love on the All-NBA teams. The good stats on a bad team argument holds little water due to his exceptional efficiency. I don't really like having guys from 17 win teams make All-NBA teams because the point of basketball is to win but objectively he was easily a top 15 player this year.

[NovU]

However I still want to see him doing damage while winning. So he post great #s from the worst team(17-65) in the NBA while considered weak on his defense as well as not known to be that talented in offense either. Sounds like more of a stat padder to me than an impact player whose numbers could translate to wins at least for decent amount of times.

[benji]

Define "stat padder" and provide other examples please.

[NovU]

Someone who lacks effort in help defense because he's too busy boxing out even before the shot is put up.

[hova-]

Padding your rebounding and FG% stats is pretty tough to do imho. The only thing you might be able to do is taking many many shots to scorer more points. (if you hit them).

Saying Love is a stat padder definitely shows your knowledge of basketball.

[NovU]

Saying Love is a stat padder definitely shows your knowledge of basketball.

Sure, like you saying Bron belongs to All NBA D team cuz of his fame.

What's this random attack? Get lost and go suck Dirk's dick.

[benji]

Someone who lacks effort in help defense because he's too busy boxing out even before the shot is put up.

I enjoyed your exhaustive list of examples.

[NovU]

Grabbing good number of rebounds and scoring points while maintaining ok FG% sure are a tough task. I will give credits on that account. But then doing it while being down 10-15 points regularly with not much at the stake? Makes things definitely bit easier I'd say. Therefore, I think it's too early to put him up there with league's best. Perhaps I'm not giving him enough credits but I am just not a believer yet.

[benji]

So you don't have any definition or examples of stat padders, nor any method to apply or correlate ether to Kevin Love.

Thanks for being useless.

[NovU]

We already know answer to that. But...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stat_padding

[benji]

Darko, you're an idiot.

Again, you should have a multitude of examples of past stat padders at your fingertips and also be able to explain exactly how Kevin Love was "stat padding" like these other players instead of being an "impact player" rather than engaging in your fantasies that have nothing to do with anything else you've said.

But first I'd imagine you'd have to actually look at the Canada that is the Timberwolves roster since you clearly don't understand just how fucking terrible that team is outside of Love. They only won that much BECAUSE of him, FEMA should be in there.

Maybe I need to explain this not just for a Canadian, but for a Filipino.

You've claimed that Love is stat padding and is not an impact player.

Through you identifying other stat padders we can see whether or not Love fits the pattern, if he doesn't the charge cannot stick.

I'll spoil things by informing you that he doesn't and that there are simply zero NBA players in history like him. That is career, CAREER, 20+% rebounding, 20+% usage, 115+ ORtg and 21+ PER. You can't "stat pad" your way to numbers like that. It's impossible.

What can you stat pad to? Oh, PER GAME numbers. Like Jalen Rose, Allan Houston, Latrell Sprewell, Cuttino Mobley and others by playing 40+ mpg and taking 20 shots a game making your points per game look good. That's an easy way to get max contracts out of the moron teams.

But please, repeat the trope about good stats on bad teams. I'm still waiting for anyone to identify a handful of players that can even come close to proving this to be a legitimate argument.

[NovU]

Again, you should have a multitude of examples of past stat padders at your fingertips and also be able to explain exactly how Kevin Love was "stat padding" like these other players instead of being an "impact player" rather than engaging in your fantasies that have nothing to do with anything else you've said.

trading help d for reb. Reb and pts being collected while win/loss don't matter as much. Also looking back how he was playing so hard to keep his streak alive, it was somewhat obvious that he was playing also for the historic acheivement. Rather than asking me bunch to do, please elborate yourself how he's not a stat padder. Don't mind to prove me wrong.

But first I'd imagine you'd have to actually look at the Canada that is the Timberwolves roster since you clearly don't understand just how fucking terrible that team is outside of Love. They only won that much BECAUSE of him, FEMA should be in there.

They won 15 games last year with Al Jefferson as their guy. So Love brought 2 more wins while playing 10 more games. Impressive should I say? Again feel free to prove me wrong but nobody has been convincing enough so far in their argument why Love is one of the best while not being proven that much.

[hova-]

Saying Love is a stat padder definitely shows your knowledge of basketball.

Sure, like you saying Bron belongs to All NBA D team cuz of his fame.

What's this random attack? Get lost and go suck Dirk's dick.

If there's a stat padder in Minny it would rather be Michael Beasley. The problem is, his stats still aren't good despite being 10th in the league in USG% because he does not shoot very well and turns the ball over a lot.
His true shooting isn't good, same for his eFG%. I don't want to criticize his rebounding as he has "Mr. Statpadder himself" - Kevin Love on his team, who takes away a lot of boards from Beasley simply because of his greed for good stats.

[NovU]

I'll spoil things by informing you that he doesn't and that there are simply zero NBA players in history like him. That is career, CAREER, 20+% rebounding, 20+% usage, 115+ ORtg and 21+ PER. You can't "stat pad" your way to numbers like that. It's impossible.

Would these stats remain the same under more intensive games and alongside the better players where he could be sharing number of rebounds?

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[benji]

Rather than asking me bunch to do, please elborate yourself how he's not a stat padder. Don't mind to prove me wrong.

lol, you're the one making the claim, do you have any idea how arguments work?

Again, feel free to list a bundle of past examples of "stat padders" something you apparently cannot do!

Would these stats remain the same under more intensive games and alongside the better players where he could be sharing number of rebounds?

Examples? DO YOU HAVE THEM?

They won 15 games last year with Al Jefferson as their guy. So Love brought 2 more wins while playing 10 more games. Impressive should I say? Again feel free to prove me wrong but nobody has been convincing enough so far in their argument why Love is one of the best while not being proven that much.

He played almost a THOUSAND MORE MINUTES on a team that LOST Al Jefferson (one of the only other worthwhile players they had!), yet they WON more games. And he put up incredible numbers despite being surrounded by worthless outright pools of shit.

It reminds me of all the hate Randolph got thrown at him for years. (For his play only, not the rest.) Then he plays the same way he always has but in a good defensive scheme on a team that's winning and suddenly he's a superstar level player out of nowhere! Who saw 20/10 coming from Zach Randolph! Wow!

I mean jesus christ, you've proven yourself concrete wall encased in lead levels of dense before but you're like Jupiter here.

[hova-]

Playing with weak team mates does not make your own game better if you ask me -> it's even harder to get better stats.

The rebounding could be explained by the fact that the Wolves play the fastest pace in the league and that they don't have other great rebounders, but stats like "That is career, CAREER, 20+% rebounding, 20+% usage, 115+ ORtg and 21+ PER." cannot be explained with that.

To say someone is stat padding would mean that he takes the shots or grabs the boards just to get a "+1" on the jumbotron.

I think nobody does this on a regular basis (maybe Ricky Davis). Maybe he is rebounding a lot because he is simply so good at rebounding and rather grabs the board than helping out on D where he is not so effective. Ever thought about that?

If he was effective on helpside defense and would reject 5.9 shots per game but only grab 8 boards, would you say:

"He is only stat-padding. His shot blocking is not as good as his stats say. He should better try to get the boards instead of playing help D".

?