The Saturated Fat Myth

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There is a lot of scientific literature backing this up. Discuss.
Also my professor in college says he eats a vast majority of his calories in saturated fat daily. He is very fit, does cage fighting MMA and other things but nothing Michael phelps type crazy calorie burning shit. Eats like 5k calories a day. Doesnt get fat.

I have done research on it myself. I saw this one study which said if u replaced the simple carbohydrate calories you eat everyday with simply saturated fat calories then ur risk of heart disease goes down significantly.

So many carbs in our diet which raises our blood sugar levels rapidly and very high is the main cause of heart disease which my research tells me.

High cholesterol levls in your food does not equate to high cholesterol levels in your blood. It is wrong exactly in a similar manner like saying eating lot of fat makes you fat.

Drinking a lot of blood doesnt give you more healthier blood does it? Or raise your red blood cell levels in your blood?


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Here is a more informational and detailed video...

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here are a couple of links to some studies...they are fairly concise and to the point so dont be scared to click.

no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD.

http://www.ajcn.org/content/early/2010/ ... 5.abstract


Carbs’ Surprising Heart Disease Connection
http://bastyrcenter.org/content/view/1982/

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Here let me ask you in a simple manner, How come when I eat a burger/KFC food, my pressure goes up and sugar levels? Saturated fat hardens at high temperatures compared to unsaturated liquids, right? Also, the lack of exercise in modern Americans really affects that too so yea. Interesting find, though, I will look more into it.

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My mother is diabetic and she said that eating bread DOES increase tridglyides and drinking red wine helps the blood (we all know that though).

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Have you seen that video/movie about the guy that ate McDonalds for a month and doctors checked him and his levels where horrible. Are we talking about the saturated fat in terms in oils, eggs, and other things or the fast-food types/greasy foods?

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One thing to point out is that there are healthy oils that good for you but they say those are the unsaturated types and the saturated ones aren't.

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A lot of fast food is extremely refined. Especially those buns in the burgers which is simple carbs at its best. Im sure their meat isnt really top notch either. It isnt really "real" food because there is a reason they are able to give it to us so cheap.

Even when the breads you buy at the grocery store say whole wheat or multi grain it doesnt mean that it isnt simple carb. They may not be as up the scale as say sugary stuff but they are still refined.
I just wanted to bring up a discussion because im no expert in this either. And it is very hard to rely on individual cases we might know to make a judgment on this broad issue of nutrition.

I put up some arguments in my OP which I thought were pretty strong.

[puttincomputers]

is looking at the haterz of this information

some information you may find interesting.
http://med.stanford.edu/news_releases/2007/march/diet.html

Stanford diet study tips scale in favor of Atkins plan

STANFORD, Calif. — The case for low-carbohydrate diets is gaining weight. Researchers at the Stanford University School of Medicine have completed the largest and longest-ever comparison of four popular diets, and the lowest-carbohydrate Atkins diet came out on top.

Of the more than 300 women in the study, those randomly assigned to follow the Atkins diet for a year not only lost more weight than the other participants, but also experienced the most benefits in terms of cholesterol and blood pressure.

“Many health professionals, including us, have either dismissed the value of very-low-carbohydrate diets for weight loss or been very skeptical of them,” said lead researcher Christopher Gardner, PhD, assistant professor of medicine at the Stanford Prevention Research Center. “But it seems to be a viable alternative for dieters.”

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January 17, 2008 presentation by Christopher Gardner for the Stanford School of Medicine Medcast lecture series.


The case for low-carbohydrate diets is gaining weight. Christopher Gardner, PhD, assistant professor of medicine at the Stanford Prevention Research Center, has completed the largest and longest-ever comparison of four popular diets using real-world conditions, which he discusses - the lowest-carbohydrate Atkins diet came out on top.

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Have you seen that video/movie about the guy that ate McDonalds for a month and doctors checked him and his levels where horrible. Are we talking about the saturated fat in terms in oils, eggs, and other things or the fast-food types/greasy foods?

You talking about "Super-Size Me?" We watched that in ninth grade gym class. That dude was sick after three days, and we never even watched it in full. Was he grossly fat at the end?

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Nice subject for discussion.

Here let me ask you in a simple manner, How come when I eat a burger/KFC food, my pressure goes up and sugar levels? Saturated fat hardens at high temperatures compared to unsaturated liquids, right? Also, the lack of exercise in modern Americans really affects that too so yea. Interesting find, though, I will look more into it.

Burgers and KFC has carbs from buns and fries. The blood pressure would be the amount of sodium they put in it.

Have you seen that video/movie about the guy that ate McDonalds for a month and doctors checked him and his levels where horrible. Are we talking about the saturated fat in terms in oils, eggs, and other things or the fast-food types/greasy foods?

You're probably talking about Super Size Me. There's another movie called Fat Head, where the guy ate fatty foods and lost weight. McDonald's food isn't just fat, but a shitload of carbs too.

I've tried a diet of 40/30/30 carbs/protein/fats for many years then after research, reading books such as In Defense of Foods by Michael Pollan and Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes, along with a bunch of fitness/nutrition articles, there's a strong case for a low-carb diet. Especially given how processed foods and high sugar is new compared to what humans have been eating much longer, namely meat, oils, fruits and veggies.

So, personal anecdote: I tried the ketogenic diet which is very similar to Atkins, except the emphasis is on fresh whole foods and veggies rather than low-quality or low-nutrition foods. I changed the ratio to roughly 5/40/55 carbs/protein/fats. Note that veggies like broccoli are high in fiber, and fiber doesn't count as carbs. Anyway, after two weeks, I lost eight pounds despite eating the same amount of calories. It was pretty amazing to look leaner by eating more fats and see results in such a short amount of time without even changing the number of calories consumed. Some more observations: I felt fuller, this is due to how dense fats are since they contain more calories per gram, but because of this, it also reduced my portion sizes.

I was slowly going insane without carbs too, so after that, I modified my diet to contain some carbs, namely fruits, but kept it low-carb and high protein and fats. Had a blood test shortly after and results all came out perfect. Haven't been sick in two years and counting, either.

As for saturated fats, bowdown probably has the facts right. I've read that saturated fats also increase testosterone levels. I probably eat more monounsaturated and polyunsatured fats, but I don't shy away from saturated fats either as I eat steak and ground beef often.

I should probably update the fitness thread since that information I wrote there is mostly outdated now.

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I lost 100 pounds on a diet similar to yours cyanide. I would allow myself up to 50 carbs a day and usually I was well under that in the 10-20 range. I worked at Arby's and I would make myself 3 pound salads for lunch and eat every bit of it. Every sunday evening I would have 1 serving of ice cream.
I went from 291 down to 191. After that I celebrated, I should not have.

I became a baker and the high carb foods that were made became a temptation. I gained 40-50 pounds in 2 and half years.I quit the bakery and have been sedentary since then. I am now up to nearly 270. Time to start exercising, and time to get a little more strict with myself.

It didnt help my aspergers syndrome to be eating wheat at the bakery.

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Aspergers is such an excuse medical condition.



My respect point for you just increased knowing that you know how to bake. It's now at zero. More than Lean's -1!

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excuse mental condition? Oh brother. Did you know that It is extremely tough for me to figure out if someone is joking or not? Most folks folks with aspergers cant do that. Did you know that aspergers people cannot understand facial expressions unless they have therapy? Did you know that most aspergers people can run rings around you in school?

Did you know that scientists have now discovered what part of the brain malfunctions during womb development to produce someone with aspergers? They have seen it happen!

My respect for you just went down for belittling people who cannot help what happened to them in the womb.

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...and you're still blaming what happened to you in the womb...excuses...

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I dont blame what happened in the womb. I have gotten therapy and I have overcome much of what used to ail me. I still have a few hangups.

btw I will not say "I told you so" if you ever have a kid with aspergers

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I'll throw my kid off a flying plane if that ever happens.

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murderer

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Hey cyanide and others who have tried this high fat/low carb diet. Can you please let me know how you get enough food in throughout your day and feel satisfied? It is so hard almost everything that satisfies you has carbs in it...like a sandwich has bread, pasta is wheat, etc...how did you prepare full meals which were satisfying using high fat, low carb in mind?

because eating so much meat and nuts gets exhausting... can you please give me your average day's meal plan when u were on the above mentioned diet?

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Salads are awesome!
Another variation is what my family calls the pizza burger. Make yourself a fresh burger (non of this pre-boxed stuff) and put everything you would put on a pizza on that burger!
Also check this out.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/143919 ... 1439190275

and this

http://www.atkins.com/Recipes.aspx?searchmode=all

What I also like to do is buy sliced sandwich meats and put some cheese with it.

I have found that staying away from pork products helps due to the high salt content.

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Hey cyanide and others who have tried this high fat/low carb diet. Can you please let me know how you get enough food in throughout your day and feel satisfied? It is so hard almost everything that satisfies you has carbs in it...like a sandwich has bread, pasta is wheat, etc...how did you prepare full meals which were satisfying using high fat, low carb in mind?

It wasn't easy to put it together for the sake of convenience, but my meals consist a combination of the following (and I feel very satiated, not necessarily always satisfied):
- whey protein
- whole milk (drink a ton of this; it's cheap, nutritious, and filling)
- eggs
- chicken breast
- steak
- ground beef (into burger patties)
- milled flax (or flaxseed)
- olive oil
- broccoli
- asparagus
- fruits

Since it's low carb, I'd still make something like a chicken caesar wrap to make up for a bit of my carbs. Eggs can be cooked in a variety of ways with spices. Ditto with meat; marinate that steak!

Edit: Forgot almonds. I munch on those throughout the day.
Edit2: Oh yeah, natural peanut butter/almond butter is awesome.

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milk is better when it is not pasteurized. The pasteurization kills the very enzyme, lactase, that helps your body digest lactose.

mmm... asparagus