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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Chino on Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:39 pm

They could have atleast made him wear tights and boots like a real luchador.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:17 pm

wow the raw main event was pretty good. the best raw main event i've seen in a long time. usually it involves john cena or someone else that put on a boring match but damn, the miz's matches are almost always good. even though the table spots were obviously set up, props to the king for taking the chair shots. i'm surprised they didn't protect him in the match like they do most old timers. i was hoping for a piledriver on michael cole.i loved the old-school feel of the match. the body slams gave cole an opportunity to use "scoop slam" correctly but he didnt capitalize. all of the other matches sucked. did anybody see the camera catch shaemus blatantly telling morrison to go for the running knee? in all my years of wrestling, i've never seen it so obvious like that.
i also didnt like the winner of the king of the ring. in the olden days, it was used to give someone a push, not continue a storyline and let a former champion who received the biggest push in wwe history get another push.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:30 pm

Yeah, I would've preferred John Morrison get the rub but Sheamus is obviously their guy. Guess the main event pretty much solidifies Cole's heel role; I suppose it makes him more interesting but I don't think heel play-by-play guys really work out that well. Shame JR's content in his current role with the company and Vince is so high up on Cole, if they insist on making Cole a part of the show then I'd love to see an angle where JR returns and replaces Cole on RAW. I'd have JR and King on RAW, with Todd Grisham and CM Punk on Smackdown (perhaps having Cole return to the announce table when Punk's ready to compete again). Not going to happen, though.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:12 am

i agree. jr would be great but it looks like they both (and mcmahon) are happy where they are. i dont like the play by play man as a heel because you have to listen to them most of the time. life was great when we had JR/Mcmahon with heel King. especially when King was in the feud with the Harts especially Bret and he had Kane as Isaac Yankem DDS as his man. c'mon man, how could you not love "kiss my foot match" promos with wrestlers walking barefoot in manure?

btw, do you follow nxt? the winner is declared tomorrow. I really thought AJ Lee was gonna win. they had her prepped for a smackdown debut but they didnt wanna introduce her at the same time as Alberto Del Rio (who's one of my favorite characters in the wwe as of right now). I think Naomi (the athletic diva) will win and get Kaval'd into a bit part on Smackdown and AJ will show up on Raw as Daniel Bryan's valet. Cole referred to her as a "nerd" like he does Bryan last week and since she's female, she'll fit right into Bryan's ladies' man storyline.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:37 am

people over on WZ are saying Sheamus won so the "King of Kings" can come back and kick his ass (evidently a HHH gimmick I missed out on)

props on the Lawler TLC match, I was entertained, and props to Cena fucking up that car, didn't see that happening that violently.

really liking Punk's commentary....but he actually pulled a Cole and spoiled the tournament when he said Sheamus was going against John Morrison and not Kofi in the first round. also, double count out in KOTR? F that
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby buzzy on Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:53 am

Best RAW in a while. Punk's commentary was one of the best things about it.

I don't like how you can tell that in a torunament when one heel wins, in this case ADR, the next winner is automatically a face (JoMo) since a heel-heel match wouldn't work.

but he actually pulled a Cole and spoiled the tournament when he said Sheamus was going against John Morrison and not Kofi in the first round.

I doubt Punk knew the outcome of the matches. I think most of the time, if announcers don't play a part in the storyline, they don't know the outcomes. Wouldn't make sense to tell them.

also, double count out in KOTR? F that

I didn't mind not seeing anymore McIntyre and Ezekiel Jackson matches.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Wed Dec 01, 2010 9:46 am

Qballer wrote:i agree. jr would be great but it looks like they both (and mcmahon) are happy where they are. i dont like the play by play man as a heel because you have to listen to them most of the time. life was great when we had JR/Mcmahon with heel King. especially when King was in the feud with the Harts especially Bret and he had Kane as Isaac Yankem DDS as his man. c'mon man, how could you not love "kiss my foot match" promos with wrestlers walking barefoot in manure?


The classic face play-by-play guy with a heel/tweener colour commentator is definitely still the best formula in my opinion. The PBP guy as the antagonist just doesn't work as they're supposed to be the "voice of the product" and to an extent the voice of the fans, who generally speaking are behind the guys presented as faces and against those playing the heels. It didn't work when Coachman took over for JR briefly and it's only half-working now with Cole. Sure, he's over as a heel, but I don't know that it's all good heat as it's not always annoying in a good way.

Qballer wrote:btw, do you follow nxt? the winner is declared tomorrow. I really thought AJ Lee was gonna win. they had her prepped for a smackdown debut but they didnt wanna introduce her at the same time as Alberto Del Rio (who's one of my favorite characters in the wwe as of right now). I think Naomi (the athletic diva) will win and get Kaval'd into a bit part on Smackdown and AJ will show up on Raw as Daniel Bryan's valet. Cole referred to her as a "nerd" like he does Bryan last week and since she's female, she'll fit right into Bryan's ladies' man storyline.


Must admit I haven't watched NXT since the first episode of the first season. Just didn't hold my interest.

JaoSming wrote:people over on WZ are saying Sheamus won so the "King of Kings" can come back and kick his ass (evidently a HHH gimmick I missed out on)


I've read that too. Not a bad way to continue that feud, HHH has been using that moniker in addition to the already established "The Game" since around 2006, if not earlier.

JaoSming wrote:really liking Punk's commentary....but he actually pulled a Cole and spoiled the tournament when he said Sheamus was going against John Morrison and not Kofi in the first round. also, double count out in KOTR? F that


They've done it before if there's time constraints or there's a big guy they want to keep fresh for later rounds of the tournament. They did it with Mabel/Viscera/Big Daddy V back in 1995 when they had him win it all, by having HBK and Kama Mustafa/The Godfather wrestle to a fifteen minute time limit draw to give Mabel a second round bye. From memory they did the same for Bam Bam Bigelow in 1993.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Wed Dec 01, 2010 11:07 am

i bet they involved ezekiel jackson too so they could have an excuse for him not to lose a match. obviously they wanted to set up a morrison shaemus final and jackson had to lose eventually. it was a win-win for the creative department.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:38 pm

Yeah that's certainly another advantage of a draw in the tournament, not compromising the pushes for two wrestlers by not having either of them lose to one another.

And a couple of random videos, demonstrating that while he's a tremendous worker, RVD oversells like very few in the business ever have.

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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby deihatein on Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:15 pm

RVD should have stayed in the WWE
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:16 pm

there's nothing wrong with overselling in my opinion. he's got the athletic abilty to do so, so why not? as a matter of fact, i feel like everyone's finishing manuevers are so weak now in the wwe they could use some overselling. miz's facebuster thing, crossrhodes, dreamstreet, (surprisingly) ezekiel's rock bottom, the lame zig zag is the weakest move ever. it's just not even believable that moves like that can finish off people but something like randy orton's rope ddt thing never does. hell, even santino's cobra looks as deadlier than the wwe champion's finisher
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby deihatein on Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:28 pm

The only finisher I believe that really hurt is Goldberg spear.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:34 pm

Qballer wrote:there's nothing wrong with overselling in my opinion.


To that, I offer this video:

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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:38 pm

:lol: that was a bit much. i guess the rvd piledriver one wasn't so bad since it was in ecw and it was like the nba jam of wrestling back then
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:44 pm

I agree those were awesome, they're fun to watch over and over again. It can definitely be a bad thing, though.

Actually, what I find sillier is RVD selling his 5-Star Frog Splash as hurting him when no other wrestler that uses the frog splash does unless it's countered in some way. The idea that executing the move to perfection results in injury to him is a bit puzzling, I guess it sells him as an extreme risk taker or whatever but yeah, I've always found that a little silly.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby [Q] on Wed Dec 01, 2010 10:01 pm

yeah i also thought that was odd, but i figured he had a reason to do it. justin gabriel does that with the 450 splash and no other wrestler's done that for the 450. what's funny is that it isn't sold very well and there's no real loud BOOM sound when he hits, so it seems like it hurts gabriel but not his opponent and yet he gets the 1, 2, 3 on them. it reminds me of olympic diving where they try to make as little of a splash as possible when they dive into the water.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby JaoSming on Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:24 am

IMO the RVD overselling wasn't bad because he wasn't flopping around, looked more like botches than anything.

HBK vs Hogan was abysmal....ruined the match.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Chino on Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:00 am

Did RVD used his head to bounce off when Dreamer delivered a piledriver to him?

Hogan vs HBK was a classic one. :lol:
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:05 am

JaoSming wrote:IMO the RVD overselling wasn't bad because he wasn't flopping around, looked more like botches than anything.

HBK vs Hogan was abysmal....ruined the match.


For sure, in that instance it wasn't a bad thing. The piledriver in particular was awesome.

Apparently HBK did that because of Hogan's backstage politicking. There was supposed to be a rematch where Hogan would lose but he weaseled out of it. The overselling was HBK's protest/rib on Hogan. I know two wrongs don't make a right but I don't blame HBK if that was the case.

Meanwhile, the Juan Cena angle might have been nixed, or perhaps just a red herring/way to have him on the house show circuit without causing too many interruptions to the storylines.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby deihatein on Fri Dec 03, 2010 1:43 am

It seems that girl with that angry look has become a meme of some sort. Has a facebook page and this :lol:
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby Andrew on Fri Dec 03, 2010 8:49 am

You just knew that the Internet was going to be all over it, but pretty cool that The Miz acknowledged her in his promo on RAW.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby J@3 on Sat Dec 04, 2010 1:30 am

I never liked him. He was ok on the mic but he looked ridiculous and only ever got half-assed pushes.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby buzzy on Sat Dec 04, 2010 1:39 am

What.

He was a pretty good heel who never got the world title he deserved. Sucked as a face though.

Apparently he asked for the release.
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Re: Professional Wrestling (WWE, TNA, ROH, etc)

Postby J@3 on Sat Dec 04, 2010 1:47 am

I always just saw him as a kids character. He looked like he was dressed up for some low-budget science fiction production.
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