Sugar: The Bitter Truth

[benji]

You're acting like because texas is empty theres no overpopulation in any region of the world. Ever been to NYC, Chicago, or LA? Japan? Lots of places are overpopulated. Because theres empty space somewhere does not make it 1)livable or 2) evidence there isnt overpopulation in the world.

As much as I hate to say it, puttincomputers is somewhat right. 7 billion people in a city the size of Texas is a population density of 26,000 people per square mile. NYC has a density of 27,500. And everyone certainly couldn't live in ranch houses.

But the common thought experiment is not Texas, but the lower 48. Which gives you a population density of only 2400 per square mile. That's smaller than Des Moines. This scenario generally includes using the rest of the planet to supply this megacity so you'd still have smaller outposts which would lower density some and there'd be no reason not to include parts of Canada and Mexico in this megacity. It's a utopian's idea of course, but it's also a rhetorical display that GLOBAL overpopulation is not the issue some make it out to be.

Although if we had the capability to do any of this, putting the megacity in Aussieland would be the same as the lower 48 and probably a better idea.

[shadowgrin]

We all would be so much better off if we lived in villages and in the fall spent a month to collect our harvest for the year. Instead of sitting in corporate offices stuffing our faces with fast food we would be out working with the others in our community together for all our benefit. This would unify society, save our enivornment and be spritually fulfilling. Not only would we all get to know everyone in our communities and become far healthier and happier but we could bring back lost traditions like harvest festivals and sharing with our neighbors.

Then stop spending time in the internet and live what you preach.

Fuck that G, that shit was messed up.

I wouldn't trade my life in for what those folks had ever.

I lmao'ed, then I tears came out because of the laughter.

[NovU]

Lolz. We've sure come a long way from sugar/vegetarian talk.

[Wall St. Peon]

Benji, you are wrong. MyPyramid.gov is an example of a site that provides the best diet possible for anyone, what you are suggesting is what has destroyed the diet of this country. Eggs for example are one of the worst foods and will make you fat and clog your heart up there is endless research that proves this fact. Eggs are one of the first things that should be banned along with red meat and oils.

What you need to realize is that you're addicted to these foods, you have been forcefed them your entire life and now you have withdrawals if you don't eat them, and you grasp at straws trying to justify this addiction. If you were able to get a proper rehab that got you off things like eggs and red meat you would instantly add 20 years to your life and improve every aspect of your life. Examine the science and you'll realize that you're harming both yourself and your loved ones through your dysfunctional corporate diet.

Actually, there are a lot of fats and oils the body needs to survive...if you cut those out of your diet, you're foolish and depriving your body of necessary nutrients. I'm actually a vegetarian (lite...I still eat fish, dairy, and eggs)...not that I don't like beef, but it throws off the pH in my stomach and exacerbates my acid reflux. Not a big fan of poultry or pork, so that make sense (although I do miss pancetta). You can't just go off the food pyramid, a diet is so much more complex than that due to the amount of nutrients your body needs.

Eggs are bad for you if you eat too many due to the high cholesterol and saturated fat content...but they're high in protein and selenium, so if say, you eat one hardboiled egg for breakfast every day with a slice of whole grain toast and a can of V8, that's a good start to your day. A serving of eggs is something like 3 or 4 eggs, so you're way under if that's all you eat. Again, it's all about moderation. Extra virgin olive oil is great for you as well...it helps to lower bad cholesterol and increase good cholesterol. Any vinaigrette dressing is primarily oil, but those are the best salad dressings for you. I prefer a balsamic vinegar based dressing myself. Fish is high in oils and is a great source of protein while being low in fat....sushi is probably one of the healthiest meals you can eat due to fresh ingredients and the fact that you typically get everything you need in a meal in addition to proper portion sizes. I eat sushi at least once a week...eat a lot of beans, brown rice. Lots of salmon and tuna. Yogurt.

It's really easy to be a vegetarian, actually...and I'm in fucking' Iowa (I actually have a T shirt with this writing on the front: "I went to the Iowa State Fair, and all I got was Type 2 Diabetes"...https://raygunsite.com/shop/men/t-shirt ... -6785-6785).

I guess my point is that you can be healthy in American society without becoming a farmer who takes a month out of their life to grow things. That's for farmers to do. I'd rather continue to corrupt those around me and destroy the human race from my corner office.

Wait a second, I'm not Jeff Immelt...

[el badman]

But the common thought experiment is not Texas, but the lower 48.

That's right, don't come mess with Texas. We got a sweet deal here.

[benji]

You haven't seceded yet. Like it or not, you're still part of the Lower 48.

[puttincomputers]

hey wsp, you may want to see what scientists have to say nowdays about your subjects. I also used to have heartburn, until i cut out the carbs. i couldnt eat a banana because it would give me extreme acididty. btw the video points out that what is considered to be a low fat diet is actually a high fat diet. just watch the video

[Jackal]

Put it in computers, stop "just watch the video'ing" people. No one wants to waste their life on one and a half hour of meaningless banter from some dumbass.

Just give it a rest already.

[puttincomputers]

wait, you can play a game for an hour, but you cant even break up an instructional video in to 10 minute segments to watch over a 9 day period? um... does not compute.

[Jackal]

A game brings enjoyment, an "instructional" (?) video about sugar killing us slowly, doesn't. Unless you're a weirdo. Like you.

[NovU]

WTF is with you, Jackal.

Just noticed ur sig and it's so sexual...

[Jackal]

You know I turn you on.

[benji]

wait, you can play a game for an hour, but you cant even break up an instructional video in to 10 minute segments to watch over a 9 day period? um... does not compute.

Why would we bother when we know it's of dubious value, validity and "truthiness" simply from the fact you champion it?

[puttincomputers]

how do you know what i champion is of dubious value? could it be that your perception of me is wrong?

[benji]

It's called "looking at your track record." If every time I go to a restaurant I get poisoned, at some point either I need to stop going to that restaurant or I deserve it.

As you're a constant purveyor of conspiracy theory, shoddy sourcing and dubious logic when presented with an hour and a half presentation either from a kook or a flimflam man covered in flimflam sauce one must do a cost-benefit analysis as to the cost of both ones time and mental sanity from viewing the drivel and the benefit that would be received from it being so absurd that one could make an enjoyable and devastatingly brutal takedown of your latest slop that would promote from the spectators.

But alas in this case our formula presents: C < B. And there ain't no profit in that.

[cyanide]

Benji, you are wrong. MyPyramid.gov is an example of a site that provides the best diet possible for anyone, what you are suggesting is what has destroyed the diet of this country. Eggs for example are one of the worst foods and will make you fat and clog your heart up there is endless research that proves this fact. Eggs are one of the first things that should be banned along with red meat and oils.

What you need to realize is that you're addicted to these foods, you have been forcefed them your entire life and now you have withdrawals if you don't eat them, and you grasp at straws trying to justify this addiction. If you were able to get a proper rehab that got you off things like eggs and red meat you would instantly add 20 years to your life and improve every aspect of your life. Examine the science and you'll realize that you're harming both yourself and your loved ones through your dysfunctional corporate diet.

I eat 6 eggs a day, tons of olive oil, love my cheese and steak, and I've lost 20 lbs in 2 months while retaining muscle mass eating a high protein/high fat diet. It's the carbohydrates that are making people fat, namely processed shit and sugars. There's more calories per gram in fat, which leaves you feeling more satiated quickly (read: smaller meals). If you're eating carbs, you're going to keep eating (read: larger meals). I suggest you read In Defense of Food and Good Calories, Bad Calories before believing your beloved food pyramid.

[puttincomputers]

cyanide you are a man after my own heart. you are agreeing with the university instructor in the video perfectly!

[benji]

So then I (and probably everyone else) didn't need to watch the video since I already knew all that and said the same exact thing on the first page. Hooray! Everyone wins!

[Wall St. Peon]

hey wsp, you may want to see what scientists have to say nowdays about your subjects. I also used to have heartburn, until i cut out the carbs. i couldnt eat a banana because it would give me extreme acididty. btw the video points out that what is considered to be a low fat diet is actually a high fat diet. just watch the video

I don't eat a lot of carbs, at least in the form of breads and sugars...for me, it's certain types of foods give me heartburn. Beef happens to be one of them...so I cut it out.

I eat 6 eggs a day, tons of olive oil, love my cheese and steak, and I've lost 20 lbs in 2 months while retaining muscle mass eating a high protein/high fat diet. It's the carbohydrates that are making people fat, namely processed shit and sugars. There's more calories per gram in fat, which leaves you feeling more satiated quickly (read: smaller meals). If you're eating carbs, you're going to keep eating (read: larger meals). I suggest you read In Defense of Food and Good Calories, Bad Calories before believing your beloved food pyramid.

Yeah, but you're also probably working out for an hour and a half every day with lots of cardio...my knees are shot, so my cardio is limited and my time is hard to schedule a haircut appointment, let alone go to the gym (for instance, I worked a 15 hour day on Tuesday...). I'm also probably at least five years older...if I ate like that, I'd balloon up because I work out maybe four hours a week at the most. I try to control my caloric intake to around 1700 calories...easier to stay lean that way (although, I still weigh around 160 @ 5'9"...body fat is around 3%, don't trust BMI when it comes to muscle).

If you're an athlete, that's a great diet. If you eat smaller meals, your stomach gets used to it and shrinks. Eat smaller, healthier meals, have two glasses of water every meal, and you'll be fine...people don't drink enough water, either.

Also, Puttincomputers, I watched five minutes of your video to be fair since I don't know you (but I trust benji...)...that guy's a douche. Spend like $200 and take a basic nutrition class at a local community college....you'll get more out of it and learn something.

[shadowgrin]

wait, you can play a game for an hour, but you cant even break up an instructional video in to 10 minute segments to watch over a 9 day period? um... does not compute.

You can't fucking do a point by point summary of the important things said in that video instead of being a repetitive ass by telling us to watch it? No wonder your brain can't compute, you're a moron.

[cyanide]

cyanide you are a man after my own heart. you are agreeing with the university instructor in the video perfectly!

I didn't even watch the video or read most of this thread. I just noticed paul23's post.

Yeah, but you're also probably working out for an hour and a half every day with lots of cardio...my knees are shot, so my cardio is limited and my time is hard to schedule a haircut appointment, let alone go to the gym (for instance, I worked a 15 hour day on Tuesday...). I'm also probably at least five years older...if I ate like that, I'd balloon up because I work out maybe four hours a week at the most. I try to control my caloric intake to around 1700 calories...easier to stay lean that way (although, I still weigh around 160 @ 5'9"...body fat is around 3%, don't trust BMI when it comes to muscle).

Naw, I only do weights three times a week with no more than an hour per workout. It's 80% diet and 20% nutrition, so even if you don't work out, you'll still lose weight by changing what you eat even if the caloric intake is identical. Also, your body fat isn't 3% unless you're near death and can see muscle tissues rippling through your abdominal skin. But yes, BMI should be abolished. Mike Tyson is considered morbidly obese, so body fat % is a better indicator of health, though you might want to re-measure.

[shadowgrin]

BMI says my weight should be in range of Manny Pacquiao's training weight to be considered normal.
Fuck BMI I say. My body is not that of a top-level athlete that works out to the point of being suicidal during training.

[benji]

Mike Tyson is considered morbidly obese

Bad example.

[Wall St. Peon]

Naw, I only do weights three times a week with no more than an hour per workout. It's 80% diet and 20% nutrition, so even if you don't work out, you'll still lose weight by changing what you eat even if the caloric intake is identical. Also, your body fat isn't 3% unless you're near death and can see muscle tissues rippling through your abdominal skin. But yes, BMI should be abolished. Mike Tyson is considered morbidly obese, so body fat % is a better indicator of health, though you might want to re-measure.

It might have been 8%, I don't remember since it was back in 2004 when I last had it measured...just remember it had a rounded number . Now that I think about it, I think it's supposed to be 7-10% for men and like 10-12% for women...anything under that and women can't have their period. Or something like that. I'm about the same now, maybe a bit leaner but with less muscle mass (I think I was around 185 at the time). How much cardio do you do? I don't do nearly enough...that has more of an effect on anything, really, due to the revving up of metabolism and cardiovascular health, plus an increase in good cholesterol which helps break down fats more quickly (again, if I remember correctly...). Basically, I'm a vegetarian who's pretty healthy for a guy pushing 30...but I know I don't exercise nearly enough. Eating right keeps me from getting overweight because I don't exercise enough.

[cyanide]

Mike Tyson is considered morbidly obese

Bad example.

Fine. Ronnie Coleman.

It might have been 8%, I don't remember since it was back in 2004 when I last had it measured...just remember it had a rounded number . Now that I think about it, I think it's supposed to be 7-10% for men and like 10-12% for women...anything under that and women can't have their period. Or something like that. I'm about the same now, maybe a bit leaner but with less muscle mass (I think I was around 185 at the time). How much cardio do you do? I don't do nearly enough...that has more of an effect on anything, really, due to the revving up of metabolism and cardiovascular health, plus an increase in good cholesterol which helps break down fats more quickly (again, if I remember correctly...). Basically, I'm a vegetarian who's pretty healthy for a guy pushing 30...but I know I don't exercise nearly enough. Eating right keeps me from getting overweight because I don't exercise enough.

You would have a clear six-pack abdomen at 8% body fat, so that's impressive It is higher for women, 6–13% for men and 14–20% for women. I actually don't do much cardio since I'm focusing on muscle growth, but I might have to soon since I'm joining a basketball league this fall. Working out does help rev up metabolism, and anaerobic (resistance training, HIIT) exercise actually has a bigger effect on that than aerobic exercise (cardio). But I do believe that having at least a day of cardio every week in addition to 3 weight training days would be very beneficial.