the american born white NBA baller?

[kingjames23]

a dying breed?


has anybody noticed that the growing majority of "white" players in the NBA are from European countries with some select Canadians and Australians thrown in the mix? this isn't meant to start a racial argument.... but an argument that in general, white kids in the states aren't receiving the quality or level of development that white kids in Europe are, and are therefore being overlooked by NBA teams. it seem that gone are the days of the white farmboy who can shoot the lights out. what the hell happened?

[shadowgrin]

Or are you referring to superstar types like Larry Bird or Keith Van Horn?

[Lamrock]

David Lee and Kevin Love are pretty good at basketball.

[shadowgrin]

Oh yeah, forgot about them. Focused on the 'shooting' statement in the OP. Added.

[Lamrock]

Last three guys aren't even caucasian

[shadowgrin]

OP said "white" and implied American players.

this isn't meant to start a racial argument

You going racist now Lamrock?

[Lamrock]

Every American deserves life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and to be considered a white player, regardless of race.

[George7]

What are Booze and Deron considered? They're white-ish

[shadowgrin]

If they are American citizens and aren't "black", then they are white. Feel free to post pics of them.

Every American deserves life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and to be considered a white player, regardless of race.

[shadowgrin]

How could I fucking forget this guy!


Added.

[kingjames23]

lets clarify. of the ELITE basketball players in the nba today... the majority of the players who are white and fit that category are also european or not born in the united states. Nash, Gasol, Dirk... so-on and so-forth



Jason Kidd, and i think some others shown in these photos are of mixed race, and would be considered African American. most folks i know of mixed race say when asked "i'm black". Deron Williams and Boozer both look to be of mixed race and i wouldnt consider them white guys....or anybody in that last set of pics... that first guy there tho... yeah he's white.... he takes 12 tries to do one dunk in a dunk contest. being light skinned dont make you white.

my point is that the non American White guys are quickly outnumbering the American White NBA baller, and are seemingly becoming the more high profile players.

[shadowgrin]

That guy may miss dunk contest shots but he's definitely capable on the defensive end and still contribute on offense despite his limited offensive skills.



It's no surprise really. Even in the past (80's to present?) White American superstars are rare compared to their Black American counterparts. Ones I could think of right now are Stockton, Bird, and McHale.
Now consider that development of young foreign players have improved or even better than the American system. The rare sight of a White American superstar will be even more rare as fundamentally developed foreign players enter the league.
Let's clarify, White American superstars have always been few even before the 'foreign invasion'.
As for White American 'normal' players, I still think they outnumber the White foreign normal players.
If White foreign normal players outnumber the White American ones, how else would you explain Brian Scalabrine still listed in an NBA roster?

[kingjames23]

Scalibrine? "affirmative action" lol

[Patr1ck]

They learned from the Lakers that they need a token white guy in order to win a title. He's basically the mascot.

[kingjames23]

i thought he was the token Irishman, it being Boston and all.

[Cr0ss0v3rK1ng]

Jason Kidd and Mike Bibby are Half Black Half white, just for an input on this discussion lol

[benji]

I cannot understand this thread. And I feel like we had it before. (Without Kevin Love, who invalidates most of the thread!)

[hova-]

I don't want to sound racist, but I also think it has something to do with the superior athleticism of players of african descent. You cannot even argue that, since it is also given in some other disciplines like 100m, jumping etc.
Since basketball is a sport that is easier to play when you are quite athletic, I think that does also mean that there are more dark skinned players and thus also more dark skinned super stars (whatever a superstar is). Those white guys mentioned do not even rely on their athleticism (Dirk, Pau, Nash maybe does).

[Its_asdf]

Adam Morrison > LeBron

He's got two rings to the "King"'s 0. I'd say the real King here is AMMO.

[kingjames23]

black athletes are "in general" quicker and more explosive because thier muscles have a higher percentage of fast twitch muscle fibers.

white athletes are "in general" stronger (almost all the worlds strongest men are white) this is because thier muscles have a higher percentage of slow twitch muscle fibers. watch any stongman competition or powerlifting... mostly white guys.

this is simply due to thousands of years of adaptation to environmental and social conditions and those adaptations being passed down geneticly. look at marathon runners from Kenya. they train at high altitude year round and they dominate because thier bodys have adapted generation after generation to use oxygen more efficiently. its genetics. what is done with those genetics is purely up to the individual however. for every rule there are countless exceptions of course. then again, look at someone like Lance Armstrong. White guy. Dominated his sport. Why? because he's a freak of nature. his muscles dont build up lactic acid as fast as 99% of the people in the world. he just doesnt fatigue. I have read, i think on here somewhere that John Stockton had the same advantage.


there are just as many fatasses who dont get off the couch in all races, just as many geniuses and just as many dumbasses. its only at the highest levels of competition that the athletisism of the black athlete seems to be most dominant. but this is sport specific. you dont see many dominant black swimmers. or hockey players.

black athletes had long dominated boxing, (with latino's doing thier part in the lighter divisions in recent times) but when you look at MMA, the playing field is leveled. of the 5 current UFC champions you have a white wrestler (Brock Lesnar), 2 Brazillians (Maricio Rua and Anderson Silva) a French Canadian (Georges St. Pierre) and another white dude (Frankie Edgar) only Silva is a black man.... and the UFC is not lacking in black athletes.

to me it seems that in sports, we are either given certain genetic advantages that allow us to become a better athlete, or we simply push through our disadvantages and develop more skills to make up for lack of athletisism. for the elite, they are able to do both.



now, back to my original point. i think most NBA organizations have the global mentality now and would prefer to look overseas when draft day comes than to look at a white guy from Ohio or Iowa or whatever. then combine that with the way it seems that european countries teach more fundamentally sound basketball than our colleges in the states do, (the NCAA, where the focus seems more to be on developing athletism than skill) and you have a growing influx of foriegn white dudes in the NBA.

i really didnt want this to turn ito a racial argument. we are using a very small percentage of people of all races to compare against each other here. muscles dont build themselves. we dont come out of the womb doing carwheels and dunking a basketball. some people just have good genes and do something with their potential. and athletisism alone doesnt mean everything. if it did, Harold Miner would have been an all star and stayed in the NBA a bit longer.

no skills.

[NovU]

Again, I don't mean to be a racist and what I am gonna say isn't proven at all, but I heard that blacks in america are generally breed of stronger and bigger black generations since Americans back in the slavery times only brought heathier and stronger ones to America for the purpose of more efficient slavery production.

[kingjames23]

the sad truth is that the white man didnt make the black man his slaves, the black man did.

Yes, African tribes at war with one another traded their prisoners of war for goods with the Europeans. The White man didnt just show up in Africa and wrangle up black folks. These prisoners were slaves to thier original captors first. Other black men.

I notice that people like to say that alot, that africans sold their own into slavery, as if to alleviate the horror of it, or pass the blame, but it does not downplay the horrible treatment the slaves endured.

This was also done with Arabs.... and had been for many centuries. Whites were slaves too. Unfortunately, slavery has been a part of human history for a very long time. Only because it was so "recent" do SOME African Americans still hold a grudge. You dont see people of Hebrew descent grumbling about those damn Egyptians. The sick irony is that the white man brought the black man to america to be his slave, then wiped out a native population rather than enslaving them as well. If anybody should be pissed off....

its the people who were here first.

wow this has gotten off topic.

[Kenny]

Mr Basketball IQ

And also these two guys...




I don't think American White ballers are a dying breed at all.

[Modifly]

Some love for Budinger?

[[Q]]

as long as Larry Bird still runs the Pacers, white guys will always have a job. Last year, they had Murphy, Dunleavy, Foster, Hansbrough, McRoberts, and Diener.... an unprecedented 6 guys on the team.... half of a 12 man roster. Not to mention Larry did reach a little picking Mr. Hansbrough a little high in the draft. hell, they probably would've taken Hayward this year if the Jazz (another team fascinated with white players) didn't swoop in on him 1 pick before them.