NBA Finals: Lakers (1) vs Celtics (4)

[J@3]

I love that after his team wins a championship, koberulz somehow gets angrier

[Martti.]

He hates that Kobe had a shitty game and can't comprehend that Artest was the hero.

[Sauru]

he probably had a speech all typed out and ready to post about how game 7 proved kobe was better than jordan then the game happened and artest saved kobes ass and now he cant post it so he is all pissed off. he probably has already beaten his dog and threw his cat at the fan

[shadowgrin]

Because Ron Artest just just proved his haters wrong and shat on them.

[NovU]

Okay. I love Heat. I'm entering too. I'm Turkish. I love Wade, Q-Rich and Beasley. OK? I am sure.

Turkish? Uh oh

Yeah. I'm Turk.

Badger, please be Lakers fan, please be Lakers fan. Lakers is more lovable team than Miami for you. Please be Lakers fan.

[koberulz]

what is the point? talking about ariza? talking about the suns series? simple as this i said artest won game 7 for the lakers. you refuse to accept this for some reason and are trying your best (and failing) to prove otherwise. wtf does anything other than game 7 have to do with artest won game 7 for the lakers? if not for him the celtics are the nba champions right now

I wouldn't suggest he "won" the game, merely because to ascribe the label of "game-winning" to something that awful is an insult to all the players who have single-handedly one games by playing well, instead of simply playing less awfully than their teammates.

Ariza is relevant because, if he can provide similar levels of defense against Pierce while providing better input and decision-making offensively, he's a better fit for the team than Artest. The Suns series, and every other screwup Artest has made, is relevant because people seem to think that just because Artest was the best player on the floor he's suddenly a worthwhile investment. He had one good game, which just happened to be in game seven of the Finals, and if you actually look at his stats it's not nearly as good as it seemed when watching the game. The only reason he seemed to be as good as he was is because everyone else sucked as much as they did.

My point is that Artest is an offensive liability, who makes some utterly retarded decisions, and one good game doesn't change this fact. Particularly a game in which he shot poorly and made a couple of awful decisions (also, four turnovers. That's four less stops he could have had to make on Pierce).

If Artest had played the same game and everyone else on the floor had played up to their usual standard, you might well be thanking Artest for giving the game to the Celtic at this point. Certainly, nobody would be claiming he played well.

[shadowgrin]

He had one good game, which just happened to be in game seven of the Finals.

Three games.
Game 1, 6, and 7 of the Finals he did well. Not just Game 7.
Two of those three were very critical in the series.

Selective amnesia's a bitch

[Murat]

Okay. I love Heat. I'm entering too. I'm Turkish. I love Wade, Q-Rich and Beasley. OK? I am sure.

Turkish? Uh oh

Yeah. I'm Turk.

Badger, please be Lakers fan, please be Lakers fan. Lakers is more lovable team than Miami for you. Please be Lakers fan.

Okay... I just love Wade, Q-Rich and Beasley. Not Heat. Why Lakers is more lovable for me?
Lakers is yellow and purple. But Heat is red.
Look at Turkey:


Red, red, red. Red!

[Martti.]

By that logic there would be no Laker fans at all. There's purple only on 2 flags in the world and like a 1/100th of the total flag.

[Sauru]

He had one good game, which just happened to be in game seven of the Finals.

Three games.
Game 1, 6, and 7 of the Finals he did well. Not just Game 7.
Two of those three were very critical in the series.

Selective amnesia's a bitch

i find it funny that he keeps claiming artest had an awful game 7. that statement alone proves he does not know shit about basketball

[koberulz]

How was it not awful?

[Jackal]

[Martti.]

How was it not awful?

he frikkin scored 20 and hit the biggest shot of the night. he bailed out kobe when he jacked up fadeaway threes, grabbing the board twice and putting it in.

[benji]

Wow, you stop posting the truth for a few days and all the butthurt anti-Kobe/pro-Celtics fanboys come out of the woodwork to spread more disgusting anti-Kobe/pro-Celtics/pro-LeBust lies.

He won. Again, despite all your whining and thuggery. Deal with it, haters.

First of all, let's be clear, Artest sucked as always. He nearly lost the game and the series over and over taking shots instead of getting the ball back out to Kobe.

THE FACTS: Kobe Bryant led all scorers despite having a hit put out on him. END OF STORY BUTTHURT HATERS.
THE FACTS PART TWO: Kobe Bryant hit the free throws to tie the game and the jumper to put the team ahead for good. Another clutch performance that won another ring. And if Odom hadn't been an idiot throwing the ball down court for no reason, he could have got the ball to Kobe for another last second heroic shot that put the game on ice.

And hating on Kobe for his ALL-NBA defense? (Another FACT the haters like to leave out.) Seriously? Pierce scored 18 points, Kobe shut down Ray Allen yet again and then shut down Rondo in the fourth YET AGAIN. He's the best perimeter defender in the game and has been for the last decade. Had he been on Pierce, he might have held him scoreless. END OF STORY.

THE FACTS PART THREE: KOBE BRYANT ALL-NBA DEFENSIVE FIRST TEAMS: 8. SECOND TEAM HIT JOBS: 2.
THE FACTS PART FOUR: Ron Artest All-NBA defensive first teams: 2. With only one All-NBA team.

Not only is Kobe better defensively (as proven by the objective facts) but he's so dominant on the other end he gets on the All-NBA team every single year despite the haters trying to rig the votes.

LOOK FOR MORE FACTS IN THE OTHER THREAD.

[koberulz]

How was it not awful?

he frikkin scored 20

Uh huh. And what was his shooting percentage again?

and hit the biggest shot of the night.

In other words, he hit a shot. The fact that it was 'the biggest of the night' hardly matters. Hitting a gamewinner doesn't make up for going 1-40 until then, particularly since you wouldn't have had to hit it if you'd hit something else.

he bailed out kobe when he jacked up fadeaway threes, grabbing the board twice and putting it in.

So? So did Pau, and Bynum. And Odom. And probably others. Who's kissing their asses?

[Sauru]

the game was not awful. if that is what you consider awful you know nothing about basketball

[Murat]

By that logic there would be no Laker fans at all. There's purple only on 2 flags in the world and like a 1/100th of the total flag.

Why I should love Lakers?

[Jeffx]

the game was not awful. if that is what you consider awful you know nothing about basketball

Those are the kind of NBA games I miss - tough, gritty defensive battles.

[NovU]

Me too. It seemed like a great game to me and many others. Of course there were sloppy moments as Andrew already pointed out, but the intensity level and the wills to win were felt from both teams, beginning to the end, period. Even though, I was rooting more for the Celtics, I really was able to enjoy how the game was played.

[Jeffx]

I'll take an 83-79 offensively-challenged/defensive slugfest over a 131-129 Suns-type game any day.

[Jackal]

You're missing the point. All of you are.

Artest sucked. Just sucked less. But he sucked. Okay? Okay.

QUEENSBRIDGE!!!!!!

[shadowgrin]

Don't forget Kobe = G.O.A.T!

[Sauru]

fucking artest.

[Andrew]

I'll take an 83-79 offensively-challenged/defensive slugfest over a 131-129 Suns-type game any day.

What about games like the Bird/'Nique duel in 1988?