Tony Parker's Future

[atlwarrior]

There is a lot of trade talk about the Spurs the trading Tony Parker. Do you think this is the right thing to do for the Spurs and if so what teams should go after him? My opinion is the guy is still young and would be a great pick up for any team. It isnt like he doesnt have enough time to fully recover from whatever his injury was. The Spurs will probably trade him to the East if they trade him. The last thing you would want to do is let a team like the Lakers get a hold of him. He would be great fit for many teams in the East.

[dare]

Well if the Spurs are going to the rebuilding mode then they should trade Parker, if it's in the East I'd like to see him in Toronto.

[NovU]

From the Heat site, Ira Winderman's Q&A...

Q: Hey Ira, do you think the Heat should go after Tony Parker if he truly is on the trade block? Can it afford Parker, Wade and Bosh? -- Victor.

A: Yes, but only if San Antonio is willing to take back about $5 million or so in salaries from the Heat, with Parker due $13.5 million next season in the final year of his contract. For example, the Heat's cap space would work for Wade, Bosh and Parker, provided the Spurs take Michael Beasley back in return. Should the Spurs also take on another Heat player, perhaps James Jones or Daequan Cook, that also could open the door for the Heat to also retain Udonis Haslem. But (and this is a huge "but"), could you ever envision Gregg Popovich taking on Beasley? And would you want to trade a 21-year-old Beasley for a 28-year-old Parker? My guess is any team that bids for Parker also will be asked to take on Richard Jefferson's $15 million for 2010-11, which would be a deal-breaker for the Heat.

I wouldn't mind sending Beasley for Parker since this guy really isn't happy how the things are going in Miami. Recent comment by Riley was that he is the most maligned player.

[Martti.]

Parker would be nice for the Heat. I wouldn't mind giving up Beasley if the result is this -

C - Bosh/Anthony
F - Haslem/FA or rookie
F - Wright/Q-Rich (re-sign, low salary)
G - Wade/Cook
G - Parker/Chalmers

[Rip32]

Getting Parker would almost eliminate a Chris Bosh/LeBron James appearance in Miami... I actually think getting Tony Parker may hurt the team because his game is a slashing mid-range one, similar to Wade.

I read somewhere (RealGM?) that NYK is interested in bringing Parker in and resigning him to a max-contract. That sounds very Knick-like, so maybe that's their plan if they miss out on LeBron, Wade, and Bosh?

[Andrew]

I'm not sure that San Antonio would be that quick to trade Parker as it seems he's being groomed to take over the team from Duncan, similar to what the Lakers did with Magic and Kareem in the 80s.

[Sauru]

if the spurs figure they have passed any chance to win the title win this current team they could cut ties with him. i do not see them just giving him away however. parker for beasley not gonna happen

[NovU]

Beasley is only 21 with potential though, so lacking youth Spurs might be interested... yeah, I'm extending the discussion, it ain't likely.

Anyways, Parker obviously holds great trading value for aged Spurs who's running out of time with Duncan. Especially with up and coming star guard in George Hill, I am not surprised to see all this speculations on Parker. However, if the Spurs wants the other team to take on Jefferson's contract like Ira is guessing, I figure it'll be a tough task to find a right suitor.

[diddy]

Rip32 wrote: Getting Parker would almost eliminate a Chris Bosh/LeBron James appearance in Miami... I actually think getting Tony Parker may hurt the team because his game is a slashing mid-range one, similar to Wade.

I read somewhere (RealGM?) that NYK is interested in bringing Parker in and resigning him to a max-contract. That sounds very Knick-like, so maybe that's their plan if they miss out on LeBron, Wade, and Bosh?

man, if you don't know about heat's money, that they can spend this summer, i can tell you this: Heat has enougth money for 2 Max contracts plus for some fillers, and if riley would go into a race for tony, it would mean that he will trade some players for him, and that means that heat payroll remains unchanged, you know why? because Tony's salary would be returned in heat's players salary, so heat could trade for parker and steel sign 2 max contract players, or 1 max contract player and several all-star caliber players, like Boozer, Johnson, Prince...

[benji]

Going off Diddy's post, I wanted to ask, can anyone else think of a "sign two max players and then contend" situation ever working or even happening in the last decade?

Hill and McGrady bombed to the point that one was traded and the other gone by the team contended again.

Have we even seen anything outside of "draft a star, and then fill in with second-tier FAs"?

[Andrew]

if riley would go into a race for tony, it would mean that he will trade some players for him, and that means that heat payroll remains unchanged, you know why? because Tony's salary would be returned in heat's players salary, so heat could trade for parker and steel sign 2 max contract players, or 1 max contract player and several all-star caliber players, like Boozer, Johnson, Prince...

...assuming the Spurs are willing to take on the contracts to keep the Heat's payroll as it is, which they probably wouldn't want to do if they are looking to rebuild. You're right, it certainly can work out that way but it's going to rely on the Spurs being a lot more generous than they need to be.

Going off Diddy's post, I wanted to ask, can anyone else think of a "sign two max players and then contend" situation ever working or even happening in the last decade?

None come to mind, at least if we're talking about free agency. The Celtics of course acquired two max players in KG and Allen and won the championship the same season while being in contention the last couple of years, but it's not quite the same. I can't recall offhand any situation where a team cleared cap space and signed two max players as the Magic did with Hill and McGrady or the Knicks are looking to do this year and it ultimately working out.

However, seeing as though the Heat would be re-signing their own player and bringing in another if one of those scenarios came to pass, perhaps the Phoenix Suns bringing in Nash in 2004 to play alongside Stoudemire and Marion would be a reasonable (if not perfectly parallel) comparison? Obviously they haven't won a championship but it's allowed them a respectable amount of success.

[NovU]

Hill and McGrady bombed to the point

Speaking of these two, both are free agents this year. I am hoping T-Mac swallows his ego and follow Hill's footstep.

[The X]

Hill and McGrady bombed to the point

Speaking of these two, both are free agents this year. I am hoping T-Mac swallows his ego and follow Hill's footstep.

I didn't know that T-Mac was high character guy who was willing to put his team first & defend the other team's best perimeter player.


As for the topic in hand, I really can't see the Spurs getting rid of Parker unless he demands a trade or some very lopsided deal in their favour comes along. I see Parker staying, and combining with Manu & Hill as 3-guard tandem that shares 96 minutes between them. Obviously with Parker & Manu, for half the season you'll be missing one or the other.

The real question is what are the Spurs going to do with their roster? As long as Duncan is still around & at least of quasi-All Star status, I can't see them blowing up the Spurs. Instead, I can see them adding Tiago Splitter (on that note, they should've never dealt away Scola, I always thought that was a bad move, he would've worked so well on Spurs' team) & play Blair more well his knees can still handle it. The issue is they probably need a youthful wing but unlikely to get one.

[diddy]

Andrew wrote:
...assuming the Spurs are willing to take on the contracts to keep the Heat's payroll as it is, which they probably wouldn't want to do if they are looking to rebuild. You're right, it certainly can work out that way but it's going to rely on the Spurs being a lot more generous than they need to be.

i think spurs administration understands that they need major changes to be heavy in the west conf. and seriously contend again. actually a hardly see them let tony go, but, if they would want to move him, miami is't that team that could give spurs a valuable pieces!
if we talk pg's i see 3 options for miami this summer to get great pg:
1. Chris Paul - collison doing great and he is cheap, so NO would probably keep him and move paul for some pieces or draft picks..this is the most unrealistic trade, but this might happen
2. Devin Harris - if NJ would be lucky enought to take 1-st lottery pick, so they probably take John Wall (if they won't, they're stupid) it means that Harris is free, so miami can drop off Beasley or HAslem's contract + lotery pics + fillers and enjoy Harris on their team
3. just sign Raymond Felton, it wouldn't be the best option for the heat, but it would provide solid pg for this team, who can contribute

anyways, if one of those ^^ trades happens, Heat would have enought money to sing one of the complets, for example:
1. LeBron + JO, Haslem, some guard and cheap center
2. Bosh or Boozer or Stat + Johnson + some cheap pieces

[The X]

if we talk pg's i see 3 options for miami this summer to get great pg:
1. Chris Paul - collison doing great and he is cheap, so NO would probably keep him and move paul for some pieces or draft picks..this is the most unrealistic trade, but this might happen

Won't happen. Nobody is stupid enough to trade Paul for Beasley & two future 1st Round picks. Collison played pretty well, but opposing teams will no how to play him better. He is a good career backup or a starter on a poor team.

[Andrew]

The real question is what are the Spurs going to do with their roster? As long as Duncan is still around & at least of quasi-All Star status, I can't see them blowing up the Spurs. Instead, I can see them adding Tiago Splitter (on that note, they should've never dealt away Scola, I always thought that was a bad move, he would've worked so well on Spurs' team) & play Blair more well his knees can still handle it. The issue is they probably need a youthful wing but unlikely to get one.

Jefferson's got one year left on his contract, so I can see them trying to shop him. Anyone looking to keep their options open for the 2011 season would probably take a chance on him and worst case scenario, benefit from his expiring contract at the season's end.

i think spurs administration understands that they need major changes to be heavy in the west conf. and seriously contend again. actually a hardly see them let tony go, but, if they would want to move him, miami is't that team that could give spurs a valuable pieces!

If they want to make moves to stay in contention, then I don't think they're going to trade Tony Parker for Michael Beasley and a couple of other players the Heat don't want.

[NovU]

If they want to make moves to stay in contention, then I don't think they're going to trade Tony Parker for Michael Beasley and a couple of other players the Heat don't want.

I'm guessing the change is inevitable for SAS as TD's aging fast. Was pretty surprised to see them getting dominated even with big 3 at full health.

Michael Beasley I don't think is a short term answer which the Spurs is looking for, but considering his youth, I do think he's a hot commodity from Miami's perspective.

they should've never dealt away Scola, I always thought that was a bad move, he would've worked so well on Spurs' team) & play Blair more well his knees can still handle it.

Same here. Scola would have been a great complimentary player to Tim Duncan. He's a hard nosed player on both ends of the floor and is not shy having the ball in his hands.

[Modifly]

The Rockets getting Scola from the Spurs was one hell of a move. Imagine how good the Spurs' inside game would be if Scola was playing alongside Duncan. Some even call him "The Argentine Tim Duncan". He'll never be as good as Duncan but he's one hell of a player for what he is today.

[shadowgrin]

I pity the fool who even suggested a Beasley for Parker scenario.

[NovU]

Geez... He's only 21, geez. Give him some time and he'll become Beasley the beast.

[atlwarrior]

Geez... He's only 21, geez. Give him some time and he'll become Beasley the beast.

Yeah Beasley has been constantly hit with injuries every since hes been in the NBA. Its unfortunate hes been getting alot of slack because he really is a lot better than most think. I mean every since hes been in the NBA I think the expectations for him have been too high for him anyway. As soon he jumps on the Miami Heat hes Wade's new sidekick. C'mon now. I mean nobody ever gave him credit the fact that the Heat went from the worst team in the league at 15-67 before he arrived and in 09 he helps them improve to 43-39 and make the playoffs as a fifth seed. Thats a huge improvement for a team that wasnt even close to making the playoffs the year before that. Theres two things he hasnt shown since hes got in the NBA that he can do. His athleticism is one because ive seen him do some nasty dunks before the NBA and I think he did win some dunk contest and his ability to slash. Guy really can handle the ball for a guy his size. Hes playing out of position. He should be playing more at SF.

[Sauru]

high draft picks make alot of money without ever proving they can do a damn thing, this is why expectations are always high on them. maybe all these failed high draft picks should pay back a portion or the salary they were given and say sorry to the city for sucking so bad? probably not gonna happen and until it does these players will have to deal with the shit from the fans and i cant say i feel sorry for them. so yeah screw beasley

[diddy]

Geez... He's only 21, geez. Give him some time and he'll become Beasley the beast.

Yeah Beasley has been constantly hit with injuries every since hes been in the NBA. Its unfortunate hes been getting alot of slack because he really is a lot better than most think. I mean every since hes been in the NBA I think the expectations for him have been too high for him anyway. As soon he jumps on the Miami Heat hes Wade's new sidekick. C'mon now. I mean nobody ever gave him credit the fact that the Heat went from the worst team in the league at 15-67 before he arrived and in 09 he helps them improve to 43-39 and make the playoffs as a fifth seed. Thats a huge improvement for a team that wasnt even close to making the playoffs the year before that. Theres two things he hasnt shown since hes got in the NBA that he can do. His athleticism is one because ive seen him do some nasty dunks before the NBA and I think he did win some dunk contest and his ability to slash. Guy really can handle the ball for a guy his size. Hes playing out of position. He should be playing more at SF.

this is great read! and sauru, beez is improving, he'd improved after last season and he is a second scorer in miami team, yes, he is lazy, but he can play ball realy great for his age and he has great future in the nba!

[NovU]

Honestly, I don't really have much hopes on Beasley, and that's probably why I would love to see Parker-Beasley trade happen.

But hey... for a guy who's only 21, he's a pretty good player with potential.

[benji]

I mean nobody ever gave him credit the fact that the Heat went from the worst team in the league at 15-67 before he arrived and in 09 he helps them improve to 43-39 and make the playoffs as a fifth seed.

Because he had little to nothing to do with it?

Theres two things he hasnt shown since hes got in the NBA that he can do. His athleticism is one because ive seen him do some nasty dunks before the NBA and I think he did win some dunk contest and his ability to slash.

What about ever getting around to defending anyone?

Its unfortunate hes been getting alot of slack because he really is a lot better than most think. I mean every since hes been in the NBA I think the expectations for him have been too high for him anyway.

Considering he dominated in college and was the 2nd pick people were expecting a lot more than Charlie Villanueva with hair and no three point shot.

beez is improving, he'd improved after last season

No, he didn't. He was exactly the same except he shot worse.