Best Way to Play D-Fence?

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Best Way to Play D-Fence?

Postby Se7en>>Dimension on Sun Feb 08, 2004 3:57 pm

What's the most effecient way to play D for you? I always tend to give up a high 40 to low 50 shooting percentage.
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Postby Bill Russell on Sun Feb 08, 2004 4:14 pm

I like to use the PG on defense... and never go for the steal... never antecipate...
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Postby Andrew on Sun Feb 08, 2004 4:17 pm

I usually switch between my point guard and a big man. I try not to switch too frantically, but sometimes they can be an effective way of playing D too. If you're playing against a team that has good post up players or good slashers, take control of a big man so that you can easily defend the paint.
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Postby weed manus on Sun Feb 08, 2004 10:41 pm

It's difficult defending the hook shot though man...
I usally take the oppisite big man...if the C is backing down on me, I'll switch to the PF & go for the rejection...
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Postby ludacris06 on Mon Feb 09, 2004 9:45 am

1.) Never play zone because the CPU takes way too many threes in the first place.

2.) Always trap or double team the star player when he's behind the arc, or in the paint.

3.) When a player gets in the paint, hold your hands up on him so he can brick the shot or get an offensive foul called aginst the opposing player.

4.) Double team big men like Shaq in the paint always.
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Postby fgrep15 on Mon Feb 09, 2004 9:51 am

Also turn down double team effectiveness cause it gets cheap against the comp if its too high.
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Postby martyboy on Mon Feb 09, 2004 11:27 am

I play a full court press and double team the PG at each indound pass. I find it can get me about 6 -8 points per game.
I play with all the standard sliders. I would change them but i have 2 kids a wife and 3 hours travel every day! So i play when i can and have no time for changing things, but have found the full crt press is great.
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Postby #12 on Mon Feb 09, 2004 2:06 pm

martyboy wrote:I play a full court press and double team the PG at each indound pass. I find it can get me about 6 -8 points per game.


If you play like that online, that is considered cheap
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Postby renegade on Mon Feb 09, 2004 3:14 pm

i usually mark the pg with my pg full court and i switch over when the computer does a pick so the player who's man set the screen rolls over and takes the man comming off the screen (if that made sense) i stay out on 3pt shooters not letting them get a shot off. and if the cpu wants to drive i try to get a man inbetween him and the basket. I double team shaq but thats token everyone does that(hopefully) :cool:
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Postby Andrew on Mon Feb 09, 2004 4:00 pm

weed manus wrote:It's difficult defending the hook shot though man...
I usally take the oppisite big man...if the C is backing down on me, I'll switch to the PF & go for the rejection...


If the CPU is going to their post players more than their perimeter players, I generally call for a double team as soon as they feed the post. That prevents the CPU's big men simply backing me down then shooting a hook shot.
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Postby martyboy on Tue Feb 10, 2004 8:09 am

#12 wrote:
martyboy wrote:I play a full court press and double team the PG at each indound pass. I find it can get me about 6 -8 points per game.


If you play like that online, that is considered cheap


So when you see an NBA team playing a full crt press thats cheap as well?
What about making cheap comments about someone you dont even know?
What about making a stupid comment in a topic that is supposed to be helping people. Is that cheap?
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Postby Andrew on Tue Feb 10, 2004 2:29 pm

martyboy, I appreciate where you're coming from and I wouldn't consider it cheap either as it's a real NBA strategy, but you're pretty close to flaming yourself. I don't think #12 meant any harm by his comments, so please settle down a bit. Thanks.
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Postby MaD_hAND1e on Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:04 pm

Look at the team scouting for ur opponent. If you see that they are full on fast break and inside games, or mainly fast break and inside game. Zone them. But always make sure you are ready to guard the good 3 point shooters, and as soon as they get the ball inside, double the ball.
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Postby wangster on Tue Feb 10, 2004 3:46 pm

Defending the notorious hook shot....

Now this is all my personal intuition but I find that it really helps when you make all the effort to be in the face of the man that's shooting. That means using turbo or whatever to really try to move your defender toward the direction of the shooter, almost sort of pushing him away from the basket. And it's actually best if you jump a teeney bit earlier than the shooter so that you will probably already be on the ground by the time the shot is in the air. I don't know....this is all random tips from my experience, but it has worked quite well for me.
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Postby oboeguy on Tue Feb 10, 2004 4:43 pm

martyboy wrote:
#12 wrote:
martyboy wrote:I play a full court press and double team the PG at each indound pass. I find it can get me about 6 -8 points per game.


If you play like that online, that is considered cheap


So when you see an NBA team playing a full crt press thats cheap as well?
What about making cheap comments about someone you dont even know?
What about making a stupid comment in a topic that is supposed to be helping people. Is that cheap?
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Dude, take a deep breath. Nowhere in that post by #12 did I detect a hint of nastiness. It's a fact: if you run a full-court press and actively attempt to steal the ball online, it IS cheap, b/c the game is not correctly balanced in such a situation. If you're going to compare to an NBA game, realize that it is not as easy to steal the inbounds pass in the NBA as it is in the game, and it is easier to toss it downcourt in the NBA than it is in the game. In the game, guys won't catch the pass on the move, which is a big part of the problem. Do you see that happen in the NBA, guys stopping and waiting for someone to steal the ball before it gets there? Well, maybe once in a while :D but not every play.
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Postby MaD_hAND1e on Tue Feb 10, 2004 6:59 pm

Well.... I find that full court press thing cheap, cos it's taking advantage of how the game script was written. If thts not cheap I dunno wht is
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Postby oboeguy on Wed Feb 11, 2004 5:12 am

MaD_hAND1e wrote:Well.... I find that full court press thing cheap, cos it's taking advantage of how the game script was written. If thts not cheap I dunno wht is


Yes, exactly -- using it all the time is abusive, because it is an exploit of a flaw in the game. If you could find a way to quit a game without consequences, and you did it every time you were down in the 4th quarter, wouldn't that be abuse? I see no difference.

Now, in the spirit of verisimilitude, I think using it once in a while is fine, but doing it all time is shameful.

Edit: One other thing to mention is that the game does not allow us to choose the passer for the inbounds (if it does, please tell me how!). Do the lamers think that's realistic too?
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Postby Andrew on Thu Feb 12, 2004 11:12 am

I still don't think it's such a cheap strategy. Sometimes I'll stand in front of the inbounder with my player's arms raised, but I rarely get the steal. It is realistic to pressure the inbounder this way (though it's more common to do so in the frontcourt). Most of the time I just double team them before they can bring the ball across halfcourt, if I need the quick possession.
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Postby oboeguy on Thu Feb 12, 2004 12:31 pm

Andrew what I'm saying is that the game is flawed in a way that allows that strategy to be far more effective than it should be. If the game wasn't screwed up that way, then I wouldn't say a thing about trying to steal the inbounds pass.

Anyway, if lag isn't too bad, and your camera angle is favorable, it shouldn't be too hard to get more dunks down court than the oppoent gets from stealing, but it's really ugly basketball and no fun. If you have two human players on a side, it would be trivial to break the strategy, because one would always bust down court and get open, while the other decoyed near the baseline.
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Postby weed manus on Thu Feb 12, 2004 12:39 pm

oboeguy wrote:
MaD_hAND1e wrote:Well.... I find that full court press thing cheap, cos it's taking advantage of how the game script was written. If thts not cheap I dunno wht is


Yes, exactly -- using it all the time is abusive, because it is an exploit of a flaw in the game. If you could find a way to quit a game without consequences, and you did it every time you were down in the 4th quarter, wouldn't that be abuse? I see no difference.

Now, in the spirit of verisimilitude, I think using it once in a while is fine, but doing it all time is shameful.

Edit: One other thing to mention is that the game does not allow us to choose the passer for the inbounds (if it does, please tell me how!). Do the lamers think that's realistic too?


Use the direction buttons to pick a play while inbounding...closest to the basket, three point shooter, free throw shooter & best passer I think...
Direct pass as well!!
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Postby oboeguy on Thu Feb 12, 2004 3:14 pm

weed manus wrote:
oboeguy wrote:
MaD_hAND1e wrote:Well.... I find that full court press thing cheap, cos it's taking advantage of how the game script was written. If thts not cheap I dunno wht is


Yes, exactly -- using it all the time is abusive, because it is an exploit of a flaw in the game. If you could find a way to quit a game without consequences, and you did it every time you were down in the 4th quarter, wouldn't that be abuse? I see no difference.

Now, in the spirit of verisimilitude, I think using it once in a while is fine, but doing it all time is shameful.

Edit: One other thing to mention is that the game does not allow us to choose the passer for the inbounds (if it does, please tell me how!). Do the lamers think that's realistic too?


Use the direction buttons to pick a play while inbounding...closest to the basket, three point shooter, free throw shooter & best passer I think...
Direct pass as well!!


I was unaware that DirectPass worked on the inbounds pass. If that's so, we have one more weapon against the lamers. :) I don't understand what you mean by picking a play, though (my controller doesn't let you use the D-pad and two analog sticks at once anyway -- have to use playcall button).
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Postby ca_10 on Thu Feb 12, 2004 3:56 pm

hey oboeguy... yes direct passing works while inbounding... and also i found out accidentally that when inbounding the ball you can call on of those 4 plays already mentioned by weed_manus by pressing your quick play buttons... i found out... 'coz in 1 game i had like 1 sec left on the clock and i already won (10 pt lead) and just wanted to show off w/ Glenn Rice... pressed Quick Play #4 w/c was a motion play... and it showed something like Free Throw shooter...

at any rate on the case of defense... the full court press is a bit weird... me and my friends usually press a lot when we play real basketball so I also tried doing this in the game... much to my disappontment 'coz doesn't really work in a very realistic fashion...
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Postby Yessie on Fri Feb 13, 2004 4:48 am

OK.. i against the CPU in my franchise i tend to play man to man half court press defense all game.. i hate playin zone vs the cpu they shoot too many threes all game ive found that man to man is really helpfull vs the cpu specially if you know how to defend the cpu one on one.. i can defend the PF or C backing down. i would say i can hold my own. if im playin vs a human player who is proned to making mistakes like all of us are i play 2-3 zone defense and i find this defense to be very effective against real good ballers i can stay in the game and make a late charge to win the game if im playin vs anyone else its usually a blow out. just my 2 cents.. i use nothing cheap i dont guard the inbound trying to steal the ball i do what ANDREW does and guard the guy throwin the ball inbound by putting my arms up.
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Postby jpps1 on Thu Feb 19, 2004 11:01 am

I find that while I can hold the CPU to under 80 points easily (I once won 82-53), I have trouble keeping the other team's shooting percentage low. Usually it's high 40s or low 50s, but the turnovers I create give me big leads. I'd rather win by holding them to a lower percentage, and I'm in their faces all the time.
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