Oznogrd wrote:NovU wrote:I always wished they'd implement system where the team can challenge the calls just like in tennis. 2 or 3 times per game I think would be fair, so the wrong calls can be corrected for critical situations. It's always been a problem but some calls are just too damn stupid to be affecting the outcome of the game so much.
The difference between a challenge in basketball and all the other leagues that now allow replay to overcome bad calls: basketball is alot harder to find a "good stopping point". I mean, how long after the foul should you be allowed to challenge? How conclusive must the evidence be? etc. Its a complicated thing to do. And then of course. Are you allowed to challenge almost anything? what do you lose for being a dick and holding up the game? (a time out?)
If they implemented call challenges, it would have to be done immediately at that dead ball. Limit the number of challenges per game (maybe one per quarter, plus one in any overtime period that may arise) or have teams forfeit a timeout or simply the right to challenge another call until the end of the quarter or whatever. At the very least, they could go to the replay when two referees make different calls or they're unsure of what to call after blowing the whistle. If coaches can only challenge one call per quarter or two per half or one per half or whatever, in addition to expanded use of instant replay when the referees are unsure of what to call, it shouldn't slow the game up too much.
StupidBoy wrote:Even if they call it a blocking foul, there shouldn't be an And-1. That was as much an obvious travel as it was an obvious charge.
But even with the play played out as it was, Kobe still proved he's pretty darn good in the clutch. I'm no Kobe/Lakers fan, but I respect him and his team. The Lakers did nothing here, the refs screwed this. They literally changed the outcome of the game with that call.
+ the Bucks missed some free-throws late in the game, so theres some fault one their shoulders too. (Not that I'm defending that call.)
Absolutely, like I said he still went out and made a great shot when the opportunity to win the game presented itself. The Bucks also could have won that game in regulation, never mind overtime, so it can't be said they had no chance. They got screwed on the call though. Does it justify people hating the Lakers? Yes and no. Some of the ire is misaimed as it's the officials blowing the whistle, but at the same time when a certain team or player does seem to benefit from excessive generousity from the officials, fans of other teams are going to be peeved. The other factors I touched upon don't help either.
air gordon wrote:this bryant/lakers thing... the bucks tv team.. lol what a bunch of homers- especially the color guy. sort of reminded me of Red Kerr going nuts. "miss it". damn i knew that shot was going in after he said that
Yeah their reaction is pretty funny, even if I do agree that it was a charge. Turns out the colour guy is former NBA player Tony Smith, who funnily enough began his career playing for the Lakers and later played a season for the Bucks.
air gordon wrote:honestly- who cares about the media hype machine? i'm not going to like Luol Deng any more or less because Charles Barkley called him "Dung". superstars get the calls, that's just the way it is. right or wrong. as mentioned- the Bucks should have put the game away. A veteran team like the Lakers seized the opportunity. and being hated should be taken as a compliment. i wonder how many non bulls fans wanted to see the bulls during their dynasty years lose??
I did acknowledge that, it's just something that irks me at times. I'm certain the Bulls were disliked by a lot of people through the 90s and Bulls fans like us (but perhaps not us) probably didn't help matters with our gloating and confident predictions of Bulls championships.
air gordon wrote:what i don't like is when players are allowed to bully the refs. i've seen on a few occasions where Bryant thought a ref missed the call then gave that ref choice words and continued to give his gangster look at him. No technical foul called. the NBA needs more Steve Javie's- he's doesn't care if you're Lebron James or Aaron Gray- he doesn't take shit from anybody and isn't scared to hand out T's
Agreed. They tried that zero-tolerance policy a few years back and it was kind of a farce because the referees were overly sensitive about what constituted unacceptable player reactions but in relaxing it again, I'd say they've relaxed it too much.
Not sure why I thought it was Tony Smith.
