The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King

by **Mikki** on Fri Dec 19, 2003 1:11 am

anyone of you seen it??

by **The Big Racist** on Fri Dec 19, 2003 3:03 am

Is it allready out?..silly Jackson made 12 endings to the 3rd part

by **Kenyon_Martin** on Fri Dec 19, 2003 9:07 am

I want to see the return of the king cuz the first two were good.

My teacher is such a fan of the LOTR she actually left school in the middle of the day just to go stand in line.

What a loser

by **TheBob** on Fri Dec 19, 2003 9:13 am

Martin wrote:Is it allready out?..silly Jackson made 12 endings to the 3rd part

And they showed 7 of them.... :roll:

by **GloveGuy** on Fri Dec 19, 2003 12:24 pm

I'll see it this weekend. I know someone who saw it before it was previously released, since his dad works for some movie company or whatever. I don't know...But he said it's the best out of all three.

by **Tony** on Fri Dec 19, 2003 1:26 pm

TheBob wrote:
Martin wrote:Is it allready out?..silly Jackson made 12 endings to the 3rd part

And they showed 7 of them....

keep in mind that this is basically one long story split in 3 parts, and obviously the third part has lots of strings to tie up. complaining i've been seeing about the endings baffles me.

and it's hard to pick one out of all 3 for the poll... maybe put "i like all 3 of them, as a triology"...

by **Mikki** on Fri Dec 19, 2003 2:31 pm

Tony wrote:and it's hard to pick one out of all 3 for the poll... maybe put "i like all 3 of them, as a triology"...

even though i haven't seen the movie, i think i like em as a trilogy, only prob is that if you watch it it'll take 9 hours...

by **The Big Racist** on Fri Dec 19, 2003 3:24 pm

You need a lot of free time to watch them all in one day :lol:

,9 hours and almost 11 hours if you watch the extended versions,imo the extended versions are better for those who haven't read the books.

by **Mikki** on Fri Dec 19, 2003 5:11 pm

Martin wrote:imo the extended versions are better for those who haven't read the books.

extended versions???

where??? are they in the DVD??

by **Tony** on Sat Dec 20, 2003 12:45 am

yes, extended editions come out on DVD every year around november...
there are extended editions for both FOTR and TTT, and there will be for ROTK. all are about 40 minutes longer, ~4hrs, re-cut, re-scored, with all special effects. they also are on 4 discs each, and have a large number of special features, which take you about 2 weeks to get through. the finest DVD editions ever created, they set a new standard.
for more info, and pretty detailed reviews, go here:

http://www.chud.com/chudvd/reviews/fellowship.php3
http://www.chud.com/chudvd/reviews/tttee.php3

by **The Big Racist** on Sat Dec 20, 2003 2:24 am

Gimli, son of Gloin slaughters balls, son of Groin.

hilarious

Tony wrote:extended editions come out on DVD every year around november...

This reminds me that I need to get LOTR:TTT extended edition

by **Colin** on Sat Dec 20, 2003 10:53 am

I have both of teh released extended editions. Great if you're sick and need a way to spend the day. (Y)

I haven't seen the first two for a while and haven't yet seen the 3rd, but I think the 2nd was best.

by **Filip** on Wed Dec 24, 2003 3:10 am

Saw the movie yesterday, the extended version (3h and 12minuts) and I think it was the worst movie in the trilogy. It was way to long, it had to many sentimental scenes there nothing really happend. Whenever someone died there was 10 minuts goodbyes.
The end was horrible. Okey maybe not horribe but it wouldn't ever fucking end! I mean, it was like 10 times you thought "Now it's is finished"
and the next thing you see is Sam and his wife which you don't give a flying fuck about. To much hollywood.

Anyway I would propably like it more if I saw the shorted version.
Cause this version had to many nothing-happends-scenes, was about 1 hour to long. Don't get me wrong, I like the LOTR movies but this last one kinda sucked if you compared to the first and second one.
The good thing about the movie was the offcourse the major wars (though the near zoomed fights were hard to follow) and the beatiful enviroments. I liked the scene in the beginning when Gollum/Smeagol and his friend is fishing, perfect done. The Spider scenes was really
creppy, especially for me that is a little bit afraid of spiders.

I would give it the grade 3 of 5 possible.
BTW: Has anyone seen the old cartoned (half) version, saw it when I was little. But that was never done completely.

by **GloveGuy** on Wed Dec 24, 2003 5:50 am

I saw it this weekend. It was my favorite of the three, like I expected. I agree with Slam harder in that the ending was too long, and very boring. You really just wanted it to end already. The big battle scene was great, though I liked the Helm's Deep one in Two Towers, since it was at night, and it had more excitement at the beginning. But I don't know why, I just liked this one out of all three, though had I not seen FOTR or TT, it would've been really confusing for me.

by **Tony** on Wed Dec 24, 2003 6:17 am

The ending is supposed to be long... they're wrapping up a story that took THREE MOVIES to tell... all knots are supposed to be tied up.

Saw the movie yesterday, the extended version (3h and 12minuts)

They're not showing the extended edition in theatres, the EE will come november next year, and will probably be 4 hours long.

by **Filip** on Wed Dec 24, 2003 6:27 am

Tony wrote:They're not showing the extended edition in theatres

Yes they do, in STHLM and O-hamn and one more place I think.
At least that one someone said.
But maybe you're right?

by **Tony** on Wed Dec 24, 2003 8:24 am

Someone told you wrong then. Peter Jackson hasn't even started working on the EE for Return Of The King...

The theatrical version has the 201 minute running time (3h21m), but the Extended Edition will be something around 4 hours.

by **Filip** on Wed Dec 24, 2003 8:47 am

Okey. Wow 4hours,I thought that 3 hours was to long, 4hours that's gonna totally suck!

by **Tony** on Wed Dec 24, 2003 9:49 am

For you, perhaps it will. The Extended Editions of the previous two movies definately did not suck, infact they made the movies better. If your criteria for the quality of movies is based solely on their length, maybe you shouldn't watch them at all...

by **j.23** on Wed Dec 24, 2003 9:10 pm

just saw the movie tonight.. it was great.. but i agree w/ everyone else when they said the ending was too long.. they should've ended it right when aragorn and arwen were bowing down to the hobbits..

i love how they have stat whores in the movie

(when legolas, gimli and aragorn kept track of their kills etc. )

by **Filip** on Fri Dec 26, 2003 2:25 am

Yeah, I heard that the extended (LOTR,TTT) version were much better than the cut down version showed at the cinema version. But I don't think the last movie will be any better extended, because it's already now too fucking long. Star Wars:Return of the Jedi way better and the end on that
after the big fights were only like 5-10minuts or so. I don't have anything against long movies, but there gotta be a motive of why they are being
so long, I think Peter Jackson made 3h and 20minuts beacuse he thought that the crowd would like a long adventure. If he had thought differently, and thought more about the quality rather than the quantity (the lenght) the movie would be 1hour shorter and much better!

Movies that fits to be long and would not be as good as the are if they were shorter is ->

Apocalypse Now - 3h 14minuts
The Shining - 2h 22minuts
Deer hunter - 3h 3minuts
Goodfellas - 2h 26minuts
Malcolm X - 3h 21minuts
Lord of the Ring - ?
All the Godfather movies

There offcourse more.

by **Tony** on Fri Dec 26, 2003 8:49 am

2 hour ~30 minute movie is not that long... in my opinion. Only if you have bladder problems, then it might.

Don't even get me started on comparing Jedi and King. Jedi was absolutely the shittiest StarWars movie of the classic triology, since only then did Lucas take over the complete production control... first and most obvious sign? - a bunch of muppets saving the day, kiddie trash, one big happy family... not even remotely close to the coolness Empire was.

you have to keep in mind that, LOTR is a book ADAPTATION, and book that has a HUGE fanbase. Jackson already pissed off gazillion of fans by leaving out the scouring of the Shire completely from the movies, aswell as the death of Saruman - if he left out more, they'd hang him by the nuts in one of those pretty NZ forests. Also, Lord Of The Rings is ONE GIANT story. Even the books weren't supposed to be split up when Tolkien wrote them, they were done that way only because it would be inconvenient to have one 2000 page book.

So, if ONE story is spaced out over the three movies, a lot of plot points need to be tied up in the last movie. The ending is as long as it should've been, it's good everything is tied up nice. Not much is left unexplained. These movies are the best what you'll probably experience in this decade, one of those rare moments of perfection, considering what kind of trash gets released lately... can't wait to see the EE of the movie, getting more is never bad with these films.

by **nublu01** on Fri Dec 26, 2003 5:10 pm

my main man dies... :cry:

gollum was $$

by **BIG GREEN** on Fri Dec 26, 2003 5:45 pm

I loved the movies...

SPOILER

im kinda disappointed that they didn't fight those huge fucking golem's from the second movie. Also, im disappointed they didnt fight sauromon...he looks big and evil but turned out to be just an eye?

by **EGarrett** on Mon Dec 29, 2003 5:11 am

My review...from imdb.com...
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Amidst all the blind hype and praise for these films, I just have to come out and say something.

Yes...the Return of the King is probably the greatest eye candy ever captured on film. But pretty pictures alone does not a movie make. A movie is a story...it's supposed to tell you a story. Return of the King, like most of the other two films...does not tell a clear and understandable story unless you've read the books.

Details come and go and characters appear with no explanation given. What is Sauron? Is he in the mountain using that eye like a periscope? Is he the eye? Is he formless like the devil? I've spoken with a friend who read the books and had most of it explained to me...something the writers of the films don't really bother to do.

There are entire subplots which are nearly meaningless...specifically Arwen. She may have been important in the book but here she has been cut down or edited down to the point that she has no reason to even exist in the movies.

In many ways the film is three and a half hours of fragments from a book...and no one seems to want to admit that no thought was given to making an understandable movie to the general public.

Furthermore...the plot was quite repetitive...and the movies use their own plot devices multiple times. In Two Towers...the Tree things (I gather they're called Ents but that's never explained as expected) join the massive battle and either win or turn the tide. In RotK...it's dead zombie men. There's also a corrupt throne situation in both movies...and the repeated battles for outnumbered kingdoms all seem to blur together after awhile. This could have been 4 or 5 hours of movie instead of 9 or 10. You only need to show one massive battle instead of repeating them over and over. You only need to show one corrupt throne situation getting fixed. Again...they cared more about throwing pieces of a book at you then telling you a logical and interesting story.

These, to me, are major flaws...and why this movie will never be considered one of the greatest movies of all time. If you don't tell a story...you just don't have a movie. It's a shame that such amazing visual work was combined with such lazy storytelling...but at this point what can you do.

Fellowship of the Ring 8.5/10 (most understandable of the three, a defined beginning)

Two Towers 7.0/10 (repetitive, unnecessary and nearly drool-inducing incoherence)

Return of the King 7.5/10 (More repetitive fights, but at least has a defined ending)

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