Chinese people,...

[Dramacydal]

...let me ask you a question:

Do you know what happened today 20 years ago?


No offense, I'm just curious how well censorship in your country really works because I've read that a lot of young Chinese people have never even heard of that tragedy, which is crazy. What a world...


EDIT: Forgot to mention, my condolences go out to the families of the victims. It's so sad how they fought for the right thing but then again died for practically nothing because the regime wouldn't allow no change or progress.

[Brave Sir Rubin]

A lot of Chinese people I've met talk about it rather passively, like it was no big deal.

There have been much greater instances of violence in China's history though.

[NovU]

If you haven't noticed, conspiracy itself, I do think is what keeps China as one big country. If it wasn't for it, we'd be seeing Tibet and Mongol as sovereignty. Somewhat like how Russia was divided into pieces and it alarmed China as well in recent history.

One thing I heard was shocking, how Tibet women were forced to have abortion to reduce number of pure Tibetians. Not to mention China forcing a lot of people to move to Tibet in part of taking over process. Tibet cultures and people were constantly under threats and even now. Now it's obvious, too late for Tibet to be seperated.

[tee-pane]

Brave Sir Rubin, I guess the Chinese people you have talked to are people that never experienced this event. There are commemoration events like this that take place every year in Hong Kong.

From my parent's experiences (Hong Kong) they were shocked by this event and left China to Canada. Many Chinese people that could afford to leave the country to a Western country, left China to places like US, Canada, Britain, Australia...

[Brave Sir Rubin]

Hong Kong wasn't Chinese at the time, but under lease...

Which makes your entire post irrelevant.

[tee-pane]

Brave Sir Rubin, it don't matter, people of Hong Kong are Chinese after all, aren't they? The city is just under British rule but the people are Chinese. Hong Kong people knew by 1997, China will govern the city again, and they emigrated before 1997 (mainly after 1989), same with the people of China. This event shocked the Chinese people around the world, and many of them had relatives or friends in China.

[Brave Sir Rubin]

No, it didn't.

You're simply talking crap.

A lot of Chinese are completely ignorant of the event.

Censorship is terrible.

[Cloudy]

Not sure about the Chinese in the mainland. But I know Chinese outside of China -- those who've been through the event -- are very open about the topic. Students who are fresh of the boat here are even more open and they are very aware of the event. Censorship in China can only go so far in stopping information sharing, internet is the very reason.

[shadowgrin]

So the internet has other uses other than pron!

[Andrew]

Exactly. Complaining about TV shows and movies and our boosting our egos.

[cyanide]

"China’s government censors have begun to block access to the Internet services Twitter, Flickr, Hotmail and Microsoft’s live.com, broadening an already extraordinary effort to shield its citizens from any hint of Thursday’s 20th anniversary of the military crackdown that ended the 1989 Tiananmen Square pro-democracy movement."

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/03/world ... china.html

Chinese Censorship FTW

[Fresh8]

Chinese in China would know of the incident but would not talk about it. I am sure of that as I asked a girl who is here on exchange and she said she knew of it but didn't elaborate and did not seem keen to talk about it. In fact, if you are to try to talk to anyone from the mainland about the Government, they would not say anything bad about it and/or they would defend it. That's just how these people were brought up.

A lot of the people who passed away were not protesting against the Government but they just wanted the Government to hear them out. FOr the Chinese Government to have slaughtered those civillians was wrong and to take what I just wrote into account makes it even more inhumane... it disgusts me. I'm lucky I'm born overseas.

I think that the Chinese government needs to name all those who were killed in the Tiananmen Square protests. They need to learn from their mistakes. They don't want to do it because it brings shame onto their name, well - that's too bad because they brought it on themselves.

It may not happen with this generation or even my generation but hopefully the next generation of Chinese can bring about change.

[shadowgrin]

I wouldn't be surprised if one day China hacks the entire interwebs.

[NovU]

Have you guys heard of umbrella men in China? It's a recent news. ROFL! I laughed my ass off literally...
http://shanghaiist.com/2009/06/05/video ... nanmen.php
Not only this happened to BBC crew, but to CNN and couple other foreign media crews as well.
So next time you go to China and filming stuff, don't be surprised when umbrella men appear and interfere filming. They are actually police officers, I hear, so don't confront.

[dopeboy]

LMAO Yeah, cover everything with umbrellas..

[jenz]

oh shit. i can't imagine how powerful the Chinese government is to be able to censor this kind of tragedy.

[shadowgrin]

Have you guys heard of umbrella men in China? It's a recent news. ROFL! I laughed my ass off literally...
http://shanghaiist.com/2009/06/05/video ... nanmen.php
Not only this happened to BBC crew, but to CNN and couple other foreign media crews as well.
So next time you go to China and filming stuff, don't be surprised when umbrella men appear and interfere filming. They are actually police officers, I hear, so don't confront.

Sounds more like a Benny Hill skit.