Tarnished Rose: Allegations could prove costly

[puttincomputers]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Aj2gGlTApIGddh6mMWQ4zam8vLYF?slug=ap-redeemingrose&prov=ap&type=lgns

In a letter to Memphis, the NCAA says an unknown person took the SAT for a player—with his knowledge—and that the player used it to get admitted. The governing body says the athlete played for the Tigers in the 2007-08 season and the 2008 NCAA tournament. Only one person fits that description—Rose.

[Brave Sir Rubin]

Good job posting a link yet not saying a single thing about it.

All in all... who gives a shit? What's in the past is in the past... people are prone to mistakes.

This won't end Rose's career. He has the money for a good lawyer.

He'll probably be fined or some crap... maybe suspended for a bit. I think that the school will face much more repercussions.

[puttincomputers]

Good job posting a link yet not saying a single thing about it.

All in all... who gives a shit? What's in the past is in the past... people are prone to mistakes.

This won't end Rose's career. He has the money for a good lawyer.

He'll probably be fined or some crap... maybe suspended for a bit. I think that the school will face much more repercussions.

at the time i was not sure what to think.
personally i think these guys should get paid. also i think the nit should have higher ratings than the ncaa! the ncaa has a monopoly on sports and it should be taken to court for enslaving the players. that being said.. cheating is never right.

[shadowgrin]

But what if you cheat against a cheater just to teach the cheater a lesson? Is it right or wrong?

[Brave Sir Rubin]

Everybody cheats in the real world, in one way or the other.

Welcome to real life.

Rose got some mad skillz, but is probably dumb as a brick academically. Can't blame him for getting his foot through the door in one way or the other. Otherwise he would have never established himself as a basketball player and would have had to work at Mickey D's for the rest of his shit life.

The fact that you can cheat, and that people do cheat whenever they can shows that there is something seriously wrong with society, not with the people in it.

Even though, people are rather naturally corrupt and opportunist.

[benji]

dumb as a brick

For evidence, see any post-game interview with the guy.

[Modifly]

Well, this will probably be just another black spot in Rose's biography. It's not the end of the world for him, wont affect his career that much, might make him down for a couple of weeks but that's as worse as it's going to get. If he really did cheat then it was probably a wise decision for him having done so. If not he will not be where he's at today and while he's making a fortune out of his basketball skills he doesn't really need to be able to do Maths and Physics does he?

[benji]

I think it would still put fear into Bulls fans hearts to realize they have an idiot as their point guard of the future. Jay Williams and all that.

Especially since the scandal expands to Rose's circle of people. The NBA has been fairly lucky that their superstars to date have been smart enough to cut people off. Barkley, Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, etc. managed their circle.

[Modifly]

True, but that doesn't mean that he's an idiot on the court too. He might be a complete dumbass in school but then again it doesn't mean he's a stupid basketball player. Anyway, the next couple of years will show whether he's the next Jay Williams or not.

[benji]

I wasn't saying he's an idiot on the court. What matters is not that Rose dominates on the court in this case. If Rose doesn't become a great player I'll be shocked, but there has to be fear he destroys his career through non-on-the-court matters based on this kind of thing. From reading the various stories, he was probably completely unaware of this, but it shows he has unsavory people around him. That's what has to strike fear into Bulls fans.

The guy has to be a great player. But he needs to manage his circle. Think of every recent "surefire great" who quickly bombed. Williams, Kemp, Griffin, etc. It was their off-court life that doomed them.

Not saying that Rose won't avoid this, just saying that's what has to concern Bulls fans from this. (And the fact he appears to be an idiot savant.) It's not going to lead to any fines, suspensions, etc. What matters is the people Rose is associating with.

[Andrew]

It's not a proud moment for Rose but in the long run I doubt it will tarnish his career or reputation all that much. Players have bounced back from much more serious allegations and I have to agree with Pavel, it's more likely the school will face greater repercussions than Rose will.

[benji]

No, this scandal won't bother Rose's career, it's the people involved in the scandal who could. He has family members involved in this from what I understand. That is never a good sign.

[Andrew]

True, as you said if those people remain in the inner circle the chances of further off-court incidents are somewhat worrisome.

[The X]

That's cool, each to their own I guess. Just makes him a little less likeable.

As to the others that said he wouldn't have made it to NBA if he didn't cheat & go to college, I wouldn't go that far. If somebody is good enough & works hard enough & has some luck, they'll find their way to the big league. He could've gone to a junior college or made his way to Europe or the minor leagues. There's always alternatives.

[Andrew]

It does raise the issue of players being able to jump from high school straight to the NBA (or more specifically, no longer being able to). While the new restrictions haven't really caused any problems, I wonder if the age limit of 19 and resulting minimum year in college isn't further encouragement for this sort of thing...though I'm sure it goes on more than we'll ever find out and has done long before those restrictions came into effect.

[benji]

True, as you said if those people remain in the inner circle the chances of further off-court incidents are somewhat worrisome.

Which was and is my major point, this isn't going to bother Rose or anything short term, and us who only care about what happens on the court it won't be an issue, but if these people are hanging around, there has to be that concern, and fear for Bulls fans, that down the road there may be something worse if you have these people hanging around and managing Rose's money and career. Eventually that can and will have an impact on what happens on the court. As Kemp's coke habit and other problems derailed his career, for example. And with the example of Jay Williams, ended it due to off-court decisions.

[NovU]

It's not a proud moment for Rose but in the long run I doubt it will tarnish his career or reputation all that much. Players have bounced back from much more serious allegations and I have to agree with Pavel, it's more likely the school will face greater repercussions than Rose will.

+1
I don't think we are at a stage where we need to worry too much, although there are issues that he needs to be aware of as benji pointed out. I'm more concerned about how he will take that next step to become a better player. Is there room for a big improvement? Is he going to be a great player not just another good player?

[Andrew]

Dan Wetzel: The NBA's uncool rule

Pretty much what I was getting at with the minimum age rule being a contributor to situations like this, albeit in much greater detail.

[Oskar]

I was about to post the same article that Andrew just did, and more importantly, quote this:

"So facing a system rigged against him, he instead rigged the system."

He rigged the HS-NBA rule.

[Andrew]

Pretty much. I wouldn't go so far as saying two wrongs make a right, but so long as that rule is in place I'm sure there will be players who find themselves facing that option.

[air gordon]

but there has to be fear he destroys his career through non-on-the-court matters based on this kind of thing. From reading the various stories, he was probably completely unaware of this, but it shows he has unsavory people around him. That's what has to strike fear into Bulls fans.

that down the road there may be something worse if you have these people hanging around and managing Rose's money and career. Eventually that can and will have an impact on what happens on the court. As Kemp's coke habit and other problems derailed his career, for example. And with the example of Jay Williams, ended it due to off-court decisions.

I think you can say the same for any player in the nba… or any celebrity for that matter. There will always be question marks as to how someone can handle being a millionaire at the age of 19.

When you’re at that age, I think it makes sense that Rose relies on someone in his family to be part of his “circle”. Who else could you trust at that age anyway?? there's no report of his family stealing his money.. yet lol

now he has his nba conract and can pay legit people to market him/do his PR/do his taxes. I don’t think his brother and agent B.J Armstrong will hook him up with a drug dealing/motorcycle riding posse.

if anything- Jay Williams is a terrible comparison. there were no “fear factors” with this guy. he had the pedigree and even AFTER hiring a PR guy/agent/launching his own website, he still hopped on the crouch rocket (and he knew he was violating his nba contract) and crashed. It had nothing to do with the people in his “circle”. He made the choice, no one forced him to do it. In fact I think it was on an espn show you could see jay Williams getting on a bike/speeding away despite teammates telling him he’s crazy